This is a discussion where I share an opinion and if I'm wrong, I hope other members can enlighten me.

I always see the term shit test popping up in threads and IMO, 99% of the time they aren't shit tests. I've always learned a shit test as being when a girl is attracted to you, but does or says something to test your frame. The best example I can think of, is "Are you a player?" because odds are, if she is saying this, she likes you, yet your response can lose the set if you go beta and start qualifying yourself. However, I see shit test being used for all types of stuff. If a girl insults you off the opener - shit test. If your gf is flirting with another guy at the bar - shit test. If her friends start asking you questions - shit test. If she makes a joke about you being rich - shit test.

Now being non reactive, yet standing up when your boundaries are crossed is the best way to deal with these situations, I won't consider them shit tests. And I believe that seeing them as shit tests, can blind you from certain things. For eg, if your girl tells you that she's thinking about going out with this guy who asked her out, and you think "shit test" and brush it off or make a joke, technically you "passed" but you're missing a red flag in your rs. If your girl is even thinking about going out on a date, whether she does or not is a red flag for other problems.

"Shit test" is being used as an excuse for ignoring a girl's bitchy behavior. It gives a justification for when she does a shitty thing. No...she is not a bad girlfriend when she sits on that guy's lap at the bar; she is shit testing you and you have to pass it.

So what is a shit test? How do you tell the difference between a genuine test, an insult, rejection or just weird behavior from a girl. Is there someone who can share a story of a time a girl "shit tested" them, they got the girl, then saw that it was in fact a test, because she was never rude again? What is the line between saying "a girl will constantly shit test you" and the fact that maybe you're just with a rude bipolar girl?

A shit test is any negative attitude that girl may have or try to project on you because of their own mindset.

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If it creates an emotional response or action in you then it's a shit test.

It's just a proactive filter which girls use to filter out the losers.

So if your gf insults you constantly and puts you down, should you "pass" her test or dump?

Melo, so is cheating a shit test?

Don't get me wrong...when I started, I thought shit test was the best concept in PU. It made sense. It allowed me to think that even a negative response from a girl wasn't a rejection. But then when I'd get these girls who would constantly "shit test" I realized, "wow...she's just a rude girl to mostly everyone and not really fun at all. She's insecure and kinda crazy from other issues." So while I was "passing" all these shit tests with flying colors, I was just getting stuck with shitty girls. The emotionally healthy girls never shit tested, never did anything disrespectful, never flirted with guys to get a reaction.

Let me ask this: if you get a shit test girl, let's say she's your gf. And she constantly "shit tests" you by the definition that is used here, she says negative things about you such as "why are you so ugly"..."why are you so short"..."I think Ted is cute" and you pass these tests, are you really passing or failing? If you're stuck with a girl who puts you down and flirts with other guys, yet you respond to this with cool, sly comments, what are you winning?

The irony is that by "passing" a girl's tests she wins. You can't pass someone's test and come from a high value place. If you get 100% on the SAT's, you're still lower than the SAT board who sets the exam. Having a good response for situations is good, but accepting rudeness is not. I remember one time I went out with a PUA who brought his gf. Right in front of us, she gave a guy her number and flirted. The PUA smiled at me and said "she's shit testing me." He acted non affected, walked off and chatted up some other chicks. Minutes later, his gf came back to him. Later on in the night he went on to tell me about shit tests and how his response was the right way to handle it. I couldn't help but feel sorry for the guy. He was allowing disrespectful behavior and missing red flags because he was seeing things as shit tests. A month later at the same bar I saw his gf making out with a black guy and looked like she was going home with him.

Girlfriends don't shit test you, they might give you shit but that's because of issues they have like self esteem problems and the like.

The PUA definition of a shit test is a few comments the girl throws at you during the first 15 minutes of the approach to test your character.

LOL... no.

The OP is 100% right. Most things the community calls "shit test" aren't. Cold approach wise, women very rarely shit test, its once they get into a relationship that they start to shit test.

Most things community guys consider a "shit test" is either playful flirting, her expressing a genuine concern, or her showing actual disinterest.

If you walk up to a chick in a bar and say whatever and she gets all pissy and says "really? Thats the best you got?!?" Thats not her "shit testing" thats her being very much UNinterested.

When a chick likes a guy she wants to keep him around, not give out negative behavior that may turn him off.

An example of how a "shit test" is really a concern from her: "You probably say that to every girl."

Thats not some shit test, thats her expressing a real concern. Some "cocky funny" response is going to hurt you here. She wants to know shes not just some piece of meat you want to stick you dick in. Let her know you genuine like her.

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HB8+'s May indeed like you but they still test your character with various screening shit tests before you move to stage 2 and kino. With HB10's expect 3 or more shit tests within the first 15 mins, it's just time management on their part but these "filtering methods" (shit tests) are the original meaning of the phrase and that's going back nearly 20 years.

I see where you're coming from Warped though, maybe the semantics have evolved to cover the full spectrum of a relationship. It's true though; Women never stop challenging you.

Will dust off my David Deida and have a look tonight.

Holy Mental Masturbation, SPAM!

"HBs"
"Kino"
"Stage 2"
"Time management"

LOL, spend less time reading nerdy "pua books" and more time hitting on women. If your getting "shit tested" "3 or more times in the first 15 minutes" its probably because your being a nerdy dork with them instead of just being real.

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I don't think the semantics have evolved, I just think as guys have gotten more attached to getting a CERTAIN woman, every negative or red flag about a woman is seen as a shit test so they can justify continuing gaming her. From my experience, the hottest most well adjusted women never shit test. The ones who did shit test, usually had issues with men, liked drama and fighting, and had mental issues. The community says the hotter a woman is, the more she gets hit on. I'd say this is wrong. IME, the hottest girls get hit on less than the 6s, 7's and 8's. When I date a super hot girl, I'm always surprised that she gets hit on less than the 8 I was banging last month. Most guys even Pickup guys shy back from the 9s and 10s. So the 7's are the ones who "shit test" more because they filter out more.

It's like the neg. Before a neg had a definition that worked - negative compliment. Simple. I neg sometimes and never fails because I stick to the definition. But then guys started added insults to this definition to the point they screw themselves up because they're just saying weird, rude things. When you start throwing everything into a bucket, you lose the original effectiveness of the concept and mess yourselves up.

Now if a girl teases you, its a shit test
She asks a tough question, it's a shit test
She says I have a bf, it's a shit test
She says she like X, it's a shit test
I've even heard if she says she has her period its a shit test.

It's like once a girl does anything besides giggle and suck your dick, it's called a shit test.

Just saw, Warped's latest reply. Lol, kinda harsh but I totally agree and this was another point on my mind. Girls shit testing you 3 times off the bat signals a problem with how you are presenting yourself. Same thing with the term AMOGGING. Guys would rather simply say, I keep getting AMOGGED it's natural, than think maybe I'm actually not "gaming" her but making her uncomfortable and her guy friends are trying to get me to leave. I've seen guys say they got "AMOGGED" when 99% of the time, the girl just wasn't interested, gave her guy friend the look and he came in to get the guy out. Same way I've seen guys say they got shit tested a ton, when it was just girls telling them to fuck off. Alot of PU is written to give you false problems so you don't fix the real ones.

I take it you don't approach HB10's from that post or you wouldn't have written what you did.

But let's not flame each other as it's pointless.

I'm old school and probably have approached well over a thousand women in my time. Eventually so will you and the game will become a game to you.

On a side note: If you do go in full alpha and are totally congruent with it then no she won't shit test you as you're demonstrating the character traits which the shit tests are designed to find.

Everything is a test. You test openers. you test yourself in situations. you test a girl with questions to see if she's interesting or just a pretty face. Didn't anyone ever test an opener and not care about the result? Tested just to see what would happen.

If your seeing shit tests every where than thats just your frame of mind making everything an obstacle that obstructs you.

Several evolutionary biology researchers have piled up a lot of empirical evidence that women are more selective than men. They filter out 'beta' guys to mate with the 'alpha' males, generally speaking.

BUT the typical PUA 'alpha' male concept is generally based on gorilla societies, NOT human societies. Simply stated, there's a strong disconnection between PUA alpha male theory and infield realities.

What women are filtering out in fact is to bait the guy to be more committed to her for a long term relationship or gauge how committed a guy is to her for a long term relationship. That's the typical human female behavior.

When a man shows he's more committed to a girl for a long term relationship, the girl (depending on her demographics like she's a fun loving 18-year-old and she's not yet wired for a long term committed relationship) losses interest and goes for another man or several men.

There's another side to this though (and backed up by scientific empirical evidence). Women tend to have one night stand sex or FWB relationships with very masculine, attractive men. Girls don't shit test these men, they lay their pussies easy to fuck the masculine guy's cock and drop him fast after all of that fucking.

So if a girl lets a guy get her number in front of her PUA boyfriend, it simply means that the PUA is a beta guy riding the tide of seduction techniques to package himself as alpha. If the PUA 'passes' the girl's shit test, it simply means that the PUA is long term relationship material.

So how does one become a human alpha male and not a gorilla alpha male?

Testosterone showmanship.

The rock stars who get laid pound girls hearts (and eventually their pussies) with those powerful guitar rifts and loud drum beats followed by a few, slow romantic songs. In this regard, when girls go to my place I don't get shit tests when I play Rammstein, Metallica or Sturmgeist. When I play Gangnamstyle Jayeslee version 100% along with the Piano Guy's version of A Thousand Years, I get all kinds of shit tests. Test it and I'm pretty sure it works pretty much the same for everyone else. However, playing romantic songs while doing the deed has its foreplay benefits for certain types of girls.

Of course, high testosterone levels are countered by too much orgasms in men so a human alpha male is not a permanent thing. You become 'beta' or long term relationship material when you're getting laid too much. Thus, you'll get shit tested MORE during the duration of the relationship.

Either you control your lay counts on a weekly basis to get lesser shit tests or you build up your testosterone levels like crazy on a daily basis so you get shit tested less.

There's an alternative to the highs and lows of the testosterone cycle though-- Rockstar Testosterone Showmanship. Rock stars get laid like crazy for a reason (and get shit tested less) even through the highs and lows of testosterone levels.

Technically speaking, anything that a woman does to get an emotional reaction from you is a shit test.

What I've discovered to work for me well though is to project the rock star vibe and shit test girls like crazy. Yep. Take the initiative. Shit test girls and they'll shit test you less. They get all emotional around you and that's how you get laid and keep them for long term sexual relationships.

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