| So, I'm writing this now to let other people know my personal experience with RSD. I'll admit, Julien's Hotseat that I attended with them was pretty badass, but Owen's portion had a mediocre level of explanation that didn't suit me when he was explaining things in a non-technical nebulous manner that my brain didn't grasp.
Prior to attending bootcamp, I started consistently doing Pick Up since the end of March of earlier this year. Because of RSD's good marketing tactics, it drew me into doing their live event. I got everything set up to attend their Bootcamp, but my expectations were let down very severely. They weren't well acquainted with the best areas sarge; basically their logistics weren't tight if you have certain standards about your women.
My background: I studied only a bit of MM back then, read into Swinggcat, and took in mostly RSD's teachings from the beginning of Blueprint, to most of their free content videos. I never cared much for their other products however though. Flawless Natural did not fit well with me, and I never really got into the Jeffy Show all that much. I read Pick Up from many sources like Tony D, Mark Manson, Kezia Noble, Simple Pick Up, etc. You could technically call me the Mixed Martial Artist of Pick Up since I study a little bit of everything, with the exception of NLP in a seduction based format.
My 2 wings and I sarged very hard in those 5 months prior to Bootcamp, and gave it our best to prepare for it. It was a 9-student bootcamp, and 5 were total newbies. Naturally, the instructors had to dumb down the material for the average student, but they failed to properly accommodate me, and the more experienced students.
But now, I would say what helped serve my base of understanding and studying myself (my progression/transformation) is through RSD filters, but I will say looking back on it, their style of game is very messy, considering they don't have good structure to follow, aside from their Bootcamp manual which resembles MM, and it ends up creating all these mental filters to mess your head up which I'll get into later in this post. I'll get the review out of the way first.
1st NIGHT-
I meet Jeffy, Julien and Owen for the first time in person, which only amplifies my hero worship. Their material up to that point did help me after all. Owen's voice is gone from excessive public speaking. Jeffy appears unhappy to be there. Julien is the classic ultra motivated and enthusiastic new employee. We attend the free tour prior to Bootcamp; Owen/Tyler finally shows up with his girlfriend after Julien and Jeffy are done talking. Owen makes a speech about two things newbies can't relate to, which are 3somes and Vegas vacations. He condescendingly states "it’s sad so many of you can’t afford to go to and party in Vegas." HELLO MR. GINGER!, do you realize the majority of your clients are young broke ass boys from the YouTube generation. He seemed out of touch with the demographic profile of his students. Pick Up is the broke-man's art. Money isn't needed to do Pick Up. And most of his RSD fan boys are broke, especially the ones on the forum. How was looking down on them for being too broke for Vegas supposed to help
Julien and Jeffy eventually rally the bootcamp students. Owen is still in the free tour room to talk and misses the introductions of the Bootcamp students. Jeffy seems frustrated since he was called in last minute to help teach this bootcamp
Owen showed he didn’t care very much by missing our introductions. His action suggested his focus was to prospect for new clients instead of taking care of his actual clients. I found it unprofessional of Owen to miss our intros, where we explicitly stated our goals for this bootcamp.
RSD decides to implement its new format concerning multiple instructors. Each group will spend 1 night with every instructor. The drawback to this format is the instructor doesn’t have enough time to learn about the students and work on their individual needs. This drawback gets amplified by the fact that there are 9 students.
So we all go into different groups. My group and Julien head to Capitol Hill, a grungy hipster neighborhood. We go to Havana, which is Hip Hop night. Julien looks nervous under the pressure to demo sets for his students. I open, nothing sticks because my subconscious just doesn’t give a fuck for RSD’s spam approach, which involves talking to girls I find unattractive. The venue begins to get filled, and it becomes hard for Julien to instruct in a cramped and loud space.
I do a few sets with Julien and even merge sets to show him what I can do, but he doesn't offer feedback. I self amuse as to the max, but you can only do it for so long without escalation before becoming a dancing monkey.
Julien finally tells me that the energy in my approaches needs to be concentrated. He suggests gaming with absolutely zero kino, since my sticking point at the time was escalating too quickly, and relying on “the vibe”. It worked, and this sexy ass girl had a mutual sexual aggression with me. The set is going great, but Julien pulls me out. This made no sense because I had yet to get laid from a cold approach, and going through the motions would have benefited me tremendously.
He made me open girls I'm not even attracted to (which I get, in order to get good at game the way hot girls are good at it, they must be surrounded by guys they game and not even really like just to get them to do things, now imagine that for guys who do PU). As Havana gets too stupid crowded to instruct in, we all end up leaving even though I get to see Julien do verbal game warm ups early in the night. We meet up with Jeffy who is up the street in Unicorn.
Inside Unicorn, Julien tells me to open this fatty. Then I did all these other sets which were a blur because the first night of bootcamp was rushed. We started at 11pm even though we were supposed to start at 10pm, which we only did and waited for Owen as he was doing free tour. I felt Bootcamp should've officially started at 10pm, meaning we hit the field, instead of briefing. Briefing should have been done before 10pm to maximize the instruction time the students got.
Most of my sets in Unicorn are a blur because none of them went well. Julien gave no instructions, and I learned no lessons here. RSD later explained they did this on every first night to gauge the students’ skills. Okay, cool.
We meet with Owen and do street game on Capital Hill. Julien demos on a girl who was dismissive of me earlier on in the night. They still have me open ugly girls without providing instruction. Their focus now was to party instead of instructing.
Owen hears me and my wing friend I trained with swapping advice, then he says, "No! Don't talk about theory! You're ruining my STATE!". That moment on, I thought it was bullshit because:
1) We're paying him, he's not paying us. Quite frankly, I could give a shit about his gaming experience in that moment. He’s being paid to help us with our game. That should be his focus, not picking up girls for himself and his gf.
2) My wings outside of bootcamp and I discuss theory frequently in field, and it doesn’t detract from our gaming experience. We do it in an amusing manner, and Pick Up is like a martial art or something technical like boxing, you either execute or you can't. Pick Up isn’t some lovey-dovey new age bullshit that gets in the way of Pick Up. The game doesn’t care about how you’re currently feeling. I’ve had great results on bad nights, and poor results on great nights.
3) Todd from RSD has proven you can game without “state” and does Pick Up that looks very very normal. He has techniques but is still effective.
Owen ends up emphasizing to me on my bootcamp that I need to focus less on techniques, like dude, that does not help me at all. Technique + the mindset behind them are what I am missing. You are not teaching me what I need to know to attract the hottest of the hot quality women.
I sarge with Owen a bit on the side and see him yelling "Slut! Ewwww!" to girls passing by in the street and he's working to create this party vibe he later tells me about in the 2nd night which I had him instruct me.
The night finally dies. We regroup to debrief at 13 Coins, which is an overpriced diner. During our trip to 13 Coins, Julien explains that in order to get good with women you must develop your vibe and have good emotions all the time.
You must have good consistent emotions regardless if you pull or if you don't pull which I agree with. However, what I thought they should've taught me was hidden away in Hotseat. RSD let me attend Hotseat for free knowing I was dissatisfied with boot. The technical way Julien was teaching Hotseat should have been how he taught boot camp.
I am a little agitated and disappointed with my expectations and at them in the field. He can feel it and says to me, no matter what happens, it shouldn’t make your mood bad and that you need to control it and be cool. You always need to feel good to pull girls in. He says he has been laid so much that he doesn’t even care if he never gets laid again. Good for him. That still doesn’t change my paradigm. Though I get where he’s coming from and can appreciate it.
We sit there debriefing. Julien starts talking and tells me what I need to work on as far as things I learned for the night, 3 good things, and 3 bad things. Julien was a much better teacher at debrief and breaking down what we need to work on and how to work on it versus his in field teaching skills. His in field teaching is very messy, because he’s reinforced in his mind that pick up is “messy”.
In my observations of other pick up schools, I’ve seen things executed so cleanly, and it doesn’t have to be messy. Especially JT Tran’s Bootcamp I had witnessed a week prior to attending my RSD Bootcamp. Asian Playboy’s program was organized, effective, and delivered results to his students. I’ll get into more detail about that later at the end of this post.
At some point during debrief, Owen talks about my other wing outside of bootcamp and grouping us together because he thinks we have Asperger’s (we later find out he thinks we have it because he thinks we exhibit symptoms of low level autism). He also thinks we share similar thoughts, which is bullshit. Owen starts asking me about sex in a weird and creepy random manner in attempt to dissect my brain and psychoanalyze me, which only made me feel alienated. I later found out he was also trying to dissect my wing/friend in a weird manner during debrief, he was only focusing mostly on my friend and ignoring other students.
Seeing how different Owen is in his videos compared to how he is in real life greatly disappointed me. He’s an altruistic teacher in his videos but comes across as a manipulative person with an agenda in real life. He seemed more like the Owen in videos on my 2nd night where his better self showed as he was formally assigned to teach me. This is where the more awesome Owen made his appearance, and he didn’t disappoint me until we left Belltown and got to Capital Hill.
2nd NIGHT-
I pick up my BC designated wings at the free tour hotel, and we meet Owen in Belltown. We get there late because they started bootcamp late on the 2nd night also, parking was packed and shitty in Belltown as well.
As I’m still finding parking after dropping my wings off to go meet Owen, I get a phone call from him asking where I am. I let him know I am trying hard to find parking.
I eventually do and meet up many blocks down to where the street filled with venues are. This is where Owen shines doing street sets first by himself, then with his girlfriend, which I felt he was relying a little too much on to get 3 some make outs, which I could care less for. I wanted to watch him game solo and learn from that.
He tells me not to do much on my 2nd night and instead just mostly watch him. He tears it up, saying wacky ass things to girls, acting wacky, making the party vibe crazy. He tries to get me to tap into the party vibe, which I do on bootcamp and particularly after bootcamp weeks later. But I already knew how to tap into this, I just didn’t know how to structure the pull with it, which is what he wasn’t teaching me and felt I was lacking in the program.
After watching enough free content video, I knew how to tap into that full confident, party state, but when it came to pulling, I was not confident and clueless. This is what they needed to teach me but didn’t. This is where I feel he doesn’t tailor the teachings to specific individuals, and instead ill fits it across a wide spectrum of students with vastly different experiences levels. Especially since the other two in my group are green while I had a 5 months of experience of going out hard already.
I do a massive bachelor party set with one of the wings, and this mediocre looking half Asian lady with glasses likes me even though she’s married. Being horny now, I still would have fucked her, but she’s nothing to write home about.
We go up and down Belltown’s main strip and Owen does a lot of sets going full blown wacky with intense escalation, but a part of me doesn’t care much since it relies heavily on momentum and state, which isn’t my style. It’s impressive because it’s far from the norm of reality that he’s able to do what he does, but it takes a massive load of energy to perform these feats. This isn’t a suitable style of game for lower energy guys. It’s not efficient and burns up too much energy in the long run.
I enjoy this portion of bootcamp because it’s a party, but looking at it objectively, I did not get one make out nor came close to pulling on boot. This failure to deliver results is very, very disappointing. Jeffy’s philosophy of getting students laid on bootcamp was there, but it collided with Julien and Owen’s philosophy of "better for you not to get laid if you’ll learn more from it".
I think getting laid is more important, because you can learn as many lessons as possible, but confidence comes with getting laid and trusting in yourself and knowing you can do it from doing it. Basically I think it's more important to become entitled and build the vibe from getting laid versus being frustrated from learning and not getting laid, which they basically advocated me getting frustrated.
We eventually kill the street game but for some reason we don’t go into Amber’s when we should have since that was always a good place to game. During our street game, he amps himself up and amps us up by saying to couples “Take her home! Take her home!” and “You walk by and you’re not gonna even say hi?! I see how it is!” in a joking way to create the party vibe and troll.
On our way to my car, Owen does tons of street game to maintain his state and momentum. He playfully calls a girl slut, and a white knight steps in. Owen AMOGS the hell out of him badly, he ends up running back into the venue about to CRY. The bootcamp assistant gets the one sided verbal assault on camera. Owen explains how White Knights are the reason why he was bullied so much in school and so socially conditioned. It damaged Owen’s self esteem, so he had to go into self help to create Blueprint Decoded.
After AMOGing the White Knight, we drive to Capital Hill. This is not the best night for parking at all. In the car, Owen starts talking about how in the past he was bullied a lot, and how he had to overcome things. From my memory he starts to relate it to us, how he genuinely wants to help people and that’s why he got into self-development.
We get to Capital Hill and meet up with all the other instructors/students for street game. Some sets stick, but at this point, I am tired of doing spam approaches and instead thinking about sniping to game efficiently. The girls were all mediocre looking at best.
Owen has another student and I approach a mixed set, that originally was a 2 girl set. Their boyfriend/brother show up soon. We get blown out, so Owen goes to AMOG the shit out of them. One of his victims pretends to be an ass fuckee for his bootcamp assistant girlfriend’s imaginary dildo. His victim didn’t even realized he was being tooled as he was laughing like a fool.
I’m tired from doing senseless approaches that everything feels pointless, and the level of instruction is just far from ideal. Owen approaches and escalates hard on some 18 y/o looking blond, which makes her cry. He then explains she has tears of joy because it was her first time encountering a force so masculine despite years of slutting it up on the cock carousel.
We return to 13 coins for the 2nd debrief. I talk to Owen about Swinggcat, and how Owen knows Swinggcat in person and hangs out with him all the time. He tells me how to use prizability since I kept mentioning Swingcat in field. Then he tells me he was already using Swinggcat like saying to the girl “Ewww!”, which is basically saying you’re above them. Owen wants me to be a “natural” even though earlier I caught him doing Julien’s material, despite implying he only does “natural” game.
My thoughts on this are, I don’t care if you label your company natural game or if you use someone else’s line (which I caught Owen using Swinggcat’s “I’m not just a sausage with feet” line on his Hotseat footage, though this is no surprise, considering I know they borrowed Vacuum method from Juggler), but if you’re going to do techniques don’t refuse to teach them. I paid $2,000 for your bootcamp to be taught these techniques, so we have an issue. The whole theme of the bootcamp was I needed to be “socially calibrated” and develop a player vibe before I can use any technique.
I think this is a cop out because 1) If you have good technique, you will get laid regardless, just like how old school Mystery Method got guys laid when things were very routine based. 2) Once you get laid, you automatically get that sexy player vibe that pulls women in, and it increases your sense of entitlement knowing you can pull.
3) Simply telling me to have a good vibe and be myself was a cop out for them to be lazy by not teaching me anything. This is general advice I can get from a high school girl. First, I can and always was being myself, who myself or who I am, is that I am a technique based, instruction, process oriented person, who follows steps if they are logical to accomplish certain things. So when you tell me to just be a wacky person and do spam approaches that get nowhere, that is not who I am at all. This is where we have a big problem. A big, big problem. Because you’re essentially forcing me to be a dancing monkey, who always has to burn a lot of energy just to have a party vibe and to not be selective about who I open, aka SPAM APPROACHING which shows that I have no standards, which is retarded.
I know this didn’t work because I tried to fully buy into his concept of the vibe, and I just don’t have it in me to pull it off because it’s so esoteric and nebulous. I don’t have a frame of reference in order to utilize it because I haven’t been laid using it once. I tried to use it a month and a half even after bootcamp, and I just felt like a damn dancing monkey, which was terrible. Add onto the fact that they claim you can get it by going out enough, if that’s the case, why DO I NEED TO PAY 2K just to be told that when I can get it without them. Why do I need them to tell me that?
It gets worse because when I ask for deeper or further instruction, I get told by Owen to watch how naturals do it and study them. I already KNOW THIS. I was already talking to my strip club bouncer friend, who already told me this and I was around him for a bit to study him and his mindsets. However, it doesn’t help if you don’t hang with them consistently, it takes a lot longer to get it down even by observation.
However, if you have a real good teacher, like Asian Playboy aka JT Tran, who I saw a week earlier prior to my RSD Bootcamp, I saw his students making out with hotter girls in the hottest Seattle club aka Aston Manor, then you could deliver better results. His students didn’t need to spam approach nor act a fool. They went straight for the hot girls.
What I took from meeting JT is he DID his RESEARCH and knew where to go (like Bellevue Mall for day game) instead of like Owen who redirected my question on the first night (telling me it doesn’t matter, and then asking me if I have Aspergers because I asked basic questions. I do have the right to know logistics, considering I dropped 2K for it for his services) when I asked him where are we going and who do we have as instructors the first night.
Debrief is coming to an end as we all finish our meals, and we just jabber on about natural game and ideas on how to become natural. I feel Owen only became a natural because he eased himself in through routine based game and the Mystery Method. Had I known the reality of all this, I would have signed up for an ABCs of Attraction, Venusian Arts, or even Love Systems bootcamp.
3rd NIGHT-
My final night is with Jeffy after getting a free Hotseat. I felt they threw this in to help me and to stop me from getting a refund. But honestly I would’ve been just as happy to pay for the Hotseat separately and get the bootcamp refund.
I get driven up by my bootcamp assistant in the car with Jeffy and my other two designated BC wings. This means I left my car behind near the hotel where they did Free Tour and as I’m in the other car, Jeffy texts me and my wings routine lines, which I feel are pretty awesome but since I haven’t gotten to practicing them enough, I either don’t say them correctly or I forget them, having no time to practice. I think I probably should’ve been given these lines much earlier on in BC.
We arrive at Capital Hill Hipster neighborhood again. This seems to be RSD’s favorite sarging spot. Cap Hill encourages a trashy lifestyle among the women there who look busted and unkempt. Hot-seat ends late, so when I get there with Jeffy and crew, we do a bit of street game.
We head into Cha Cha’s, then the place gets dead with terrible ratio of guys to girls. I do a few sets, not much sticks. I’m tired at this point from gaming so inefficiently by spam approaching. Jeffy yells some stuff to me in field but I can’t make out what he’s saying. I lose state and become a bit emo, then Jeffy yells to me “Fuck you nigger!” and says something akin to me that conveys that I should stop feeling sorry for myself. I ended up laughing because I wasn’t sure how to respond to something so ludicrous.
At some point during my final night of bootcamp, before I go into Neighbors, there is nothing but trashy targets to sarge on, which pisses me off even more. The lack of instruction I’m getting throughout this bootcamp makes me angry and I hit a tree with staples on it. My hand gets bloody. Jeffy tells me to calm the fuck down and that I’m even scaring him since I kicked a building wall. He tells me he used to have a lot more anger issues than me, and that I need to calm down. Excess anger scares the girls away because it’s unattractive.
At this point, it does not matter. This Bootcamp has been FUBAR. The target selection is piss poor due to their lack of logistical planning and the lack of teaching technique and structure is stupid. This is where I realize Owen is a very disorganized person, especially showing up late on the first day to Bootcamp when Jeffy, Julien and the students (including me) were waiting for him outside the apartment to brief before the first night begins.
This brought me to the conclusion also that since Mystery Method and Routine/Structured game is organized in its nature, this is what made Owen switch from Routine-Structured game over to crazy, wacky, natural game that means going crazy in field. If you look at the way Todd does his game, you can tell its structured, calm and borrows a lot from Mystery Method still, and he doesn’t depend on this concept of always having to feel good just to be able to game.
I go to the cops for bandages; cops are patrolling the neighborhood to control the rowdiness. I open a girl with my hand in bandages and she gets interested, her guy friends walk up to me and seem unsure of me. One chump tries to AMOG me until he sees my hand in bandages, and realized I’m best left alone. I talk to their crew, but I only wanted to build attraction with the the girl. She ends up losing interest since my energy is dispersed to work the set instead of focused on her.
The main lesson I learned here is one should never be a pussy even if her guy friends are around. Jeffy retrieves me because he senses my anger building, and that I’m in a mode where I don’t give a fuck and I might just beat this other AMOGGer’s ass.
Jeffy pays for my cover since I’m nearly dead broke now, to go inside a gay friendly club named Neighbor’s. I open a set inside, nothing sticks after I make my intent too clear, and it scares the girl’s friend, even though they’re dancing with some chode already.
We end up at Neighbor’s, and then the rest is history. We go to debrief at 13 Coins on the final night, and we debriefed for very long. Owen leaves early, leaving Jeffy and Julien to finish what ever is left over from this FUBAR Bootcamp. Every student looks tired, unhappy, unsatisfied and felt this may have just been a waste of time. Even two other students had requested refunds. Only one was brave enough to speak up for it, then someone else had followed his suit as well and asked for it.
Only then did the other student later reveal that Julien gave him 1 on 1 private instruction on the street game during nighttime when Tyler’s Hotseat took place on the 2nd night of BC.
Out of all this, I felt Owen shined his best to teach me and do well for me on my second night of Bootcamp while we were running up and down Belltown to do street game. But other than that, the bootcamp was generic. Even their bootcamp notes I was sent was copied and pasted according to different students’ sticking points. Then Julien sent a generic copy and paste instructions for what to do after Bootcamp as well.
And Owen didn’t send anything. Well, he did call me and yell at me for posting what he deemed to be a negative review on his RSDNation forum, which he ended up deleting. I’ll admit, it probably was pretty negative, but when you deliver a subpar service or product, expect bad reviews, whether they get posted on your website or someone else’s.
He tells me over the phone that I lack social calibration because he already promised to write material to help me with my sticking points post bootcamp, and yelled at me because I wrote a bad review that made it seem that I was ungrateful. The point he made was that “what’s the point in helping me if I was just going to shoot him down”.
He made it out to be as if what he was going to post on the forum was a huge long post that I could follow and get something out of that program that could be what I was looking for to get laid. Instead he makes a short post on the forum and making a video partly dedicated to me, but I found it only helped me a bit. It was NOT what I was looking in terms of being taught certain material.
Then he said that one of the other bootcamp students that did get a refund wasn’t going to get laid because he lacked social calibration and that no matter what Pick Up company he was going to go with, he’ll never get laid doing what he is doing now. Then Owen said that I was good because I didn’t get a refund, which meant I could go to World Summit for free and that I will get laid. Honestly, I could care very much less about World Summit. Sarging in Vegas is not very accurate to how one would Sarge in Seattle. Girls go there to get laid and are more open about it since it’s their vacation and they feel they can be whoever they want to be versus Seattle that has an uptight culture or a whatever you want to call it since they’re not as free being in their home city.
This is where I sensed an older version of Owen that Neil Strauss exposed in The Game, a highly manipulative conman. To be honest, I felt it the moment I met him as he refused to answer a reasonable question, and then asked if I have Asperger’s. I was just high on Hero Worship and gave him the benefit of the doubt, considering I loved this guy so much on his free videos and Blueprint Decoded, and the perception of who I thought he was.
He has a very strong frame to AMOG anyone and has the ability to re-frame a lot of things to get you to think things the way he needs you to think things, so you won’t ask for a refund. That’s my take on it. In my dealings with Owen, it’s like dealing with 2 different personalities. The cool guy who wanted to really help you be a better person, bettering your life and get you laid from Blueprint Decoded, and the Manipulative Conman from Neil Strauss’ book The Game, who wants to rip you off, have his own cult following, re-frames a lot of things, thinking tactically to get what he needs from you, then leaving you dry. It’s too inconsistent.
Post BC-
After Bootcamp, my sarging was never the same for some time because of the level of disappointment me and my wings experienced that shook our psyches in a bad way. Not a single student at Bootcamp seemed happy either. My passion for the game had sunken so low because of the disappointment that now after many months it finally cured itself. My passion that I used to have back then for the game that was very very raw in nature had finally overshadowed the sadness and depression the disappointment my heroes gave to me. And to reach greatness, there is no longer dependence on one figure or someone that I make out to be a hero in my mind to teach me the way I wanted to be taught.
I am now just rekindling my fire for the art and not tying it to the depression and frustration that I felt I had experienced during the RSD boot camp in the summer in Seattle. At first, my fire had to die down because it was too tied to a long term mission that I felt that I could accomplish and that I was getting the necessary cavalry to assist me with my mission to become good at PU, but I see now that the cavalry sucked in comparison to my expectations.
It hurt me very badly inside. I felt like I was a hardcore boxer training for a fight, only to lose the fight because I hired a bad trainer who didn't even assist me well enough at my side during the actual fight. Another analogy is you being a race car driver, then thinking that you hired a well known excellent pit stop crew that was really good, but during the needed pit stop, your crew fails to make your race car run well and you end up losing the damn race. Then losing the race or losing the fight haunts you so badly because you had trained so damn hard for it, you put in so much of your time, your love, your dedication and passion, only to have people who thought could give you the super boost you needed, end up failing you, and you just sucking.
At the end of the day I did feel like Owen did try to help me so did Julien and Jeffy, however I just thought the way they ran the program was very disorganized. I sensed/perceived there was a split in intention and in mindset of the instructors/Owen that existed between helping the students and at the same time not giving them the full rundown of pick up theory and implementation of the theory infield required to get the pull all the way. There are many elements of their game missing from explanation to the students, and that is more "pie in the sky"/nebulous by nature to which they present to you in their videos to label it natural game. I know Owen has tried to fix this recently by giving you exercises at the end of the video. They do help, but man, to charge students 2 grand for Boot then have it be this disappointing, unacceptable.
I believe in the arguments for natural game if you deeply understand the principles but in order to deeply understand and apply those principles you must understand the theory of structured game first and run with structured game, or at least dissect the content of structured game in order to build up your natural game. Otherwise if you're not the creative type or haven't learned to be the creative type your natural game will suffer surely.
Basically they're saying that what they're teaching is natural game and in a way it is because it's covering the principles of why something works but the principles are not as in-depth when they're trying to teach you live in person as opposed to learning structure game and structured theory. Which gives you a more of a solidified rundown of how to implement that theory infield that I see other instructors doing outside of RSD.
From what I see of Rob Judge and Zach Bauer, they are the more refined and less messy version of RSD so if you're going to do more cleaner natural game you should either go with them or do a boot camp with Jeffy alone or do a boot camp with Alex and Todd who seem to be very technique based oriented and or seem to be less messy in field for how they instruct students according to 2nd hand accounts from people and how I see in their free videos when they do Bootcamp.
If I was to ever be taught again I would only except Mystery, Rob Judge, an excellent teacher or someone that really cares about my well-being in order for me to even pay him over $1000. A week prior to doing Boot Camp with RSD, I had met JT ran inside the Aston Manor club in Seattle and he implied that RSD Boot Camp was not worth it, but he wanted to be professional about it which I understood. Though during that night he ended up helping me for free. On top of that I saw his students with way hotter women than anything on my boot camp with RSD. Add to the fact that his Boot Camp was $500 cheaper and was a higher-quality than RSD's, even when I saw his game plan for teaching students that he laid out.
And I felt that RSD Boot Camp was very very disorganized and the curriculum was not as brushed up as it should've been and their method of teaching was very messy.
Even now rethinking the boot camp during the summer in my mind it makes me very aggravated but yet it is anchored to my passion for wanting to develop my game to a highly skilled level. This is the passion that I was lacking after Boot Camp and I had let it go and it made me very very lazy afterward because I didn't want to deal with disappointment again being felt that I was letdown. But this time I truly know that I can only let myself down if I don't take full responsibility for my own skill set, instead of putting in another person's hands but clearly wasn't set out to improve my life but instead just collect a paycheck.
I vow to myself that after I get good at this game after being in it for 3 to 5 years and when I start training my own students I will not let any of my students down but they have to promise me that they will work just as hard as me to make it happen.
After watching blueprint decoded I felt like Owen was someone to look up to and in a sense in a way he still is but just seeing his lack of instruction in field compared to the way I pictured in it in my head and what I saw by comparison in his Free tour videos of seeing him instruct other students was very lacking to what he delivered in real life to me. The only time I thought he was really teaching me or trying to help me was during debrief and on my second day BC with him when I had him for that night.
But I felt on my second night of BC with him it was very generalized advice even though I saw that it didn't appear as technique based like I thought it was, only at first though. But the techniques he did deliver were built off principles but weren't deeply ingrained in me like they should've been and even then, if you don't escalate with the "fun" vibe you won't get laid, you'll just be a dancing monkey, something he fails to mention during BC.
Even after talking to a different non-RSD PUA instructor, we found out that even he said when there is a large volume of students, the company of instructors usually care more about getting paid and the money instead of offering high quality coaching. My botched Bootcamp evidenced this.
Some point during the final night of bootcamp during my street game, I overheard a 3-4 time bootcamp alumni mentioning to someone else that our bootcamp sucked in comparison to the ones that he took with one of the instructors. This further solidified the evidence that we did not get what we paid for. It was botched and none of the instructors admitted even though their faces showed along with their defensive tone of voices.
So in short; there was good and bad, but it was mostly bad and I am being as objective about this review as I possibly can for anyone else who wants to decide to take a Bootcamp with Owen, Tyler and or Julien or all 3 of them at once.
What else, I suggest readers read Distant Light Social Life Hacking, End Game by Lo-Gun, and anything else that helps your passive game, which means it helps craft who you are as a person and develops more of a lifestyle based game where you don’t game as much and don’t think of it as game and you attract women more naturally because of who you are, how you are and what you do.
Even Badboy’s idea of Direct Natural Attraction game is based off of this as well, and to not think of it as game and to just talk to women as if it’s natural and that it’s part of your life, and to create social circles out of it to run social circle game.
I think Owen’s company is trying to go this route, however, Eben Pagen, Mark Manson, Roosh V, and a few others are already ahead of him, and since he’s doing split projects, I don’t think his focus on instruction is as clear, powerful and consistent as it used to be, hence why he might do one bootcamp in one city and it might suck, much like mine did, then he’ll go do another bootcamp in another city and have a bunch of students get laid and it’ll be a great bootcamp for them.
That being said; be careful about what you sign up for and only sign up once you see all sides of an angle, and never ever be afraid to ask for a refund if ANYTHING is subpar below your standards or ideals. Never let hero-worshipping get in the way of your time, energy and money.
This was a long Bootcamp review, enjoy it, and take what you can from it. I’m out. Peace.
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