What's up guys,

Like a lot of guys out there, I found some appeal in checking out some of these types of blogs before I even learned about the word "manosphere", and after reading through posts on one of the bigger ones for a few hours, I'm beginning to have this gnawing feeling:

"That these guys don't speak for us."

Anyone who's familiar with that "I cried tonight" post might know what I'm talking about - by that 34 year old guy who has money and looks, but whines that he can't meet a woman and all women are immoral, they just spent their lives partying and wouldn't give him the time of day, and he commplained that women didn't save themselves for him and live unchaste lives not according to his fundamentalist Christian beliefs.

- I found that guy's original post, and there were links to various Manosphere blogs all over,

What I expected to find were a lot of posts telling this guy to man up and stop being s whiney little bitch, stop blaming the world for not living up to some unrealistic ideal that never existed in the first place . . .

I instead found all of these posts saying, "WOMEN DID THIS TO YOU!!" and all of this rationalizing about a world that's tipped in women's favor, unfair systems, and more excuse bullshit.

I read through some of this stuff, including all of these absolutist diatribes about the unfairness and manipulation of marriage.

Any possibility of a decent, good, or true woman out there is denied outright.

Women never get the benefit of a doubt.

Then there're wacko, denying reality -type posts about some double-standard about promiscuity, that a male player is called a scumbag, but women who sleep around get "you go girl!"

That's when I knew something was up. Bullshit! One thing I knew for sure, in reading this BS, was "Nobody hates a player." a male player is the fucking man. Regardless of how many people accept or criticize a woman for sleeping around, a male player almost never gets put down for it.

Have you ever seen an alpha-male, player, who lives in abundance with women, socially ostracized because he has too many girlfriends?!?! lol!!

And these delusional views are all thrown out there with the supposition that it's about "teaching men to not be beta"

In my view, this constant bitching about gender systems, and how good women have it, and how guys are screwed, is the epitome of beta-ness.

So what do you guys think about the manosphere?(being apart from the PUA community, because they are different)

Does it do more harm than good?

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thing you have to understand is women do have it alot easier in alot of things....such as if a wife cheats on her husbands she still gets half, but if the man cheats on his wife he basically has to give everything away...also everybody would say how the man is wrong for cheating but the women always has excuses such as "he wasn;t giving her anytime" " he put on to much weight" etc

now some people take it to far and say stupid shit like men players are bad and women players are good, if anything that is reversed......im all for equality and most minorities or people who claim they want equality really want superiority, and women re like that for the most part to be honest

i have beliefs about this but i don't tell them to many people but on here and maybe to close friends and on here i get destroyed by people calling me a bitch, and im really trying to get out of this mindstate because in alot of ways i am wrong and you're right it does make you beta

but denying the fact that somethings are unfair also makes you beta


but you are right, we do need to stop whining and being "bitches" and just accept it

but one thing that pisses me off the most is what happened to my best friend. he had a good job, a promising career as a football player, a really nice guy with no jail record, and did community service sometimes (as a part of his frat) a girl trapped him by getting pregnant (it was his fault cause we told him not to do it) she was a hood rat that had a record and no job but had 2 other children and was on welfare...he tried to get custody of the baby and even after they review the case they gave the baby to the girl.....my life was ruined by a girl also lost my academic and athletic scholarship and had a hard time picking up women because rumors spread that i made her cheat and that i had a little penis -_-

so yes we need to stop whining and i really am trying but it is kinda unfair.......and trust me im trying my hardest to try to stop being beta thats one reason im on here

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I'm not saying there aren't extremes no mater where you go,

I was out the other night with a couple guys who weren't really friends of mine, but one of the guys was completely gawking at this tall, thin girl with long straight blonde hair; she came in with 5 guys she was so waiting inane with, but if you watched her, you could see she clearly wasn't with any of them.

"Look at her, she's so charming.." He'd say, and I insisted that he should go over and talk to her, and is even back him up; we'd say hi to all of them.

"No way!" He said.

He then went on "You know, she's probably got it tough; I bet it's tough to be a hot girl."

"Whoa!!" I responded.

"That girl has more social value than you'll ever have in your entire life. Don't feel sorry for a hot girl. Some day when you're this rich guy, great looking because you've been going to the gym for two years, you've got a ton of girls begging to spend time with you and beating down your door, then okay, you can feel sorry for a girl or two, but until then, dude, you've got no place to feel sorry for girls.

So yeah, that's the pro-woman extreme. Not many people can feel to sorry for a girl who's got a genetically perfect body, long straight bottle-blonde hair, and:

- Has a pair of fake tits her first boyfriend bought her at 19
- Drives a brand new BMW 5 series her parents bought her
- Rudely turns down guys at bars and clubs she frequents several nights a week, calling them losers, etc.
- Complains about the lack of good quality guys out there, claims to be looking for something real with a guy, although her ex boyfriend comes over to service her 3 times a week.

The manosphere narrative is that hot girls party on some drug and alcohol fueled fuck-fest, then bank on some beta provider waiting when they get to 30 to support her and wait on her hand and foot. I think that's a bit extreme.

But the answer? "Boooo hoooo!!!! How dare those bitches!!"

I don't quite see the point...to each his or her own I guess.

On divorce:

Women get to cheat and they're home free, while a male adulterer loses everything?

My understanding was that a woman who cheats is out on her ass.

My parents got divorced when I was 12; my mom's lawyer advised to not even bring my dad's adultery into it, "Virginia doesn't have those puritanistic laws anymore; they're on the books but not really enforced. Adultery these days means custody of the kids."

My dad didn't get custody but at the same time, he didn't fuckin want it! Who would?!! It's easier to just cut a check than deal with a fuckin kid.

By court order, the house was sold and split 50/50

But at the same time, he had to pay for some shit he hadn't (for me) that he should've, that any responsible father would've without hesitation, but he needed special motivation to, so maybe I'm a little biased on the issue.

That sure doesn't jive with this pity story I read on said manosphere blog:

This guy said his wife split on him, saying she just got bored, wanted to find herself, and that there's nothing he could've done to prevent it. She got the house, his 401K, all of the money in all of his bank accounts, both cars, custody of the kids, and he has to pay for the divorce (both lawyers). He says he had a great place to live but is now stripped down to a shitty apartment in a shitty part of town, and goes further into debt every month to pay for her stuff and that his life is fucked until he's basically in his 50's.

Yeah, I call bullshit. There's definite more to the story than that.

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my friend alot of men would want custody rather than just paying child support...i know i would want my child in my life rather than giving it to a woman who doesn't deserve him/her.......but you're right for the most part

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The manosphere is a bunch of whiney bitches. It's basically an online bathhouse where like-minded whiners go to jerk each other off.

the manosphere is poison, stay as far away from them as possible, they lack understanding what women are all about...

They do have good intentions, but they already fucked up the whole thing, the mra=a bunch of angry libertarians that don't get laid and hate seducers. Fact

The good of the mra some reforms in the court system are needed...

mgtow, they are crazy people as well, i am gonna work on a blog explaining the different movements and the pros and cons...

But trust me stay away from them if your goal is to live the player lifestyle or find a decent girlfriend... They have fucked in the head a lot of dudes already.

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Yeah, they are a little bit extreme but so are their feminist counterparts, that is just a simple law of physics " For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." i do not like their whining but at least they are not those pathetic manginas who supplicate to every woman they meet, now that makes my stomach turn. The bad thing with them is that they are like hippies, they say they don't like how things are done but they are too lazy to actually get off their fat ass and do something about it, they would rather sit all day, in a cannabis induced stupor(a metaphor, i don't think many of them smoke weed) whining how the world is all wrong.

Hit the nail on the head. +1

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The bathhouse analogy comes from my experience that everytime I'm around a bunch of dudes who are of the "men rule, wymyn r stoopid" mentality, I get a massively homoerotic vibe.

Yeah, I get that too. It seems if guys just want to talk about how much girls suck and that they hate girls so much, they may as well all sit in a circle and jerk each other off.

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