No problem brother that's why we are here -> to kick your butt out of neediness and help you grow actual value :3

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I researched women version of this app and i think it is a wonderful thing it exists, i hope i get very bad reviews if i ever get on it because it will help to disqualify "undesirable" girls, because any girl that uses this thing i do not want a mile away from me, let alone have sex with her, and i am holding myself to the same standard.

Attractive secure people (male or female) will not use this app because they are too busy living life and having a blast. It's the unattractive bitter ones who have all that time on their hands. Jealousy is a powerful thing. Imagine if an ugly bullied chick hated a popular girl's guts. She would stop at nothing to create 100's of ghost accounts to slut-shame every girl she hates. You think men are competitive? You've obviously never witnessed girls fighting. Not just with words either. I'm talking no holds barred, face-scratching, hair pulling, eye-poking, groin shots, even glassing in extreme cases. Bitter women will stop at nothing to bad mouth their more attractive rivals. The only thing stopping them from doing it publicly in the club or on social media is because they fear the backlash. The anonymity of this app removes that potential of backlash, so it's basically a green light for nut-jobs to let loose with no consequences.
Yep. You answered your own question. Real hot girls don't need online dating, since they have hot guys constantly hitting on them. Online dating is full of fat chicks, shy nut-jobs and undateable disabled people. The 5% - 10% of girls who are actually hot just get constantly hit on with 100's of messages a day, which a) over-inflates their ego meaning they are spoilt/bitchy and b) shit-test you far more than is necessary. I primarily use it to top up my supply of casual sex, check it once a week sorta thing, that's all it's good for. Would never use it to get a girlfriend. The difference between online dating and this app, is that despite my criticism of it, the purpose of online dating is POSITIVE. The idea is to put new people in touch with each other to make new connections. Whereas the app is just an excuse for gossiping people to dish the dirt. Even if they say something positive about an ex, it is still rooted in self-absorbed bragging.
You have no idea what you're talking about. This forum is 100% anonymous. Even if a girl logged in and read all the posts on here, there's no way she would know any of the posts were about her. The app is only 50% anonymous, meaning the girls' identities are exposed, but the bitching little whiner ex-boyfriends hide weakly behind their screens talking shit and bragging. If you want to be a real man, never say anything about a girl you've dated that you wouldn't say to her face. Take this as a lesson in manhood, since you clearly don't know shit about being a man.
Anybody who writes PUA books and can get them published has at least done their research and had a publisher give their approval, even if the book is average at worst. This app on the other hand, cannot filter out all the bullshit from spam posting chodes and AFCs. You are saying taking advice from any old AFC chodes is as just as useful as advice from a published researched experienced PUA??
If you are incapable of noticing the obvious slut signs: eg. Hardly any clothes on / no panties in the club, Ex-boyfriends everywhere you go, Tonnes of guy friends, Flirting with other guys right in front of you, Goes out with the girls without you very regularly, Drinks / Drugs lifestyle, Sleeps with you on the first night (not always slutty but is a big red flag if you take the others into account). So all the signs are there without needing this app.

Besides, I love sluts. The kinkiest sex i have is with my MLTR party girls. If they knew about this app they might reign in their "free spirit" attitude, because of ASD and reputation. So this is how it is harming the pickup community. Your car analogy doesn't work. Women get BETTER at fucking the more they fuck. They don't stop functioning just because they've had a lot of dick.
Yet more spurious analogies. The app does more harm than good for 2 main reasons;
1) It attempts to replace a man's own sensible judgement with other men's bitchy / bragging reviews and
2) Nobody wants to hear graphic detail about another guy getting his cock sucked by your girlfriend. It puts unnecessary jealousy in your mind which otherwise wouldn't have been there. So it will cause problems in an otherwise healthy relationship.

OP youre either a troll or fucking sick. To relate this to pick up is an insult. To support it means youre not only a sick fuck, but a coward as well.

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Lol. You actually made me think I was hacked or something.

Ok, so I give my opinion and get judgement calls that I'm needy and don't know shit. So because my perspective is different from yours names are called. Really dude? I give an opinion, not advice. You say that said the app is a good thing. No I didn't. I gave my perspectives on the points against the app, but never said it's accurate or a good thing.

Did I say the app there is a benefit to the app? No. Did I say anyone should use it? No. All is said was it can be a distraction, but online dating sites are too. And that you can't blame the app if people are stupid enough to follow it. Darth, you easily quoted southern posts but had to change my words and couldn't quote a single line of what I said before saying I was whining. Whining from the dictionary, is similar to complaining. What did I complain/whine about? Choose your words better before throwing statements around. If you don't agree with my opinion fine. But be a man and attack the viewpoint and not the individual. Women are the sex who attacks the person instead of what they're trying to say. Grow up dude.

To Hunter:

Quote: Attractive secure people (male or female) will not use this app because they are too busy living life and having a blast. It's the unattractive bitter ones who have all that time on their hands. Jealousy is a powerful thing. Imagine if an ugly bullied chick hated a popular girl's guts. She would stop at nothing to create 100's of ghost accounts to slut-shame every girl she hates. You think men are competitive? You've obviously never witnessed girls fighting. Not just with words either. I'm talking no holds barred, face-scratching, hair pulling, eye-poking, groin shots, even glassing in extreme cases. Bitter women will stop at nothing to bad mouth their more attractive rivals. The only thing stopping them from doing it publicly in the club or on social media is because they fear the backlash. The anonymity of this app removes that potential of backlash, so it's basically a green light for nut-jobs to let loose with no consequences. quote

Ok, first you wrote this in response to me saying I support the originator because he created SOMETHING and put hard work into it. So talking about the app's inherent flaws (which I never said the app works...where the hell are you guys getting that I said it worked or was a good thing from) or stupidity is not relevant to my support of him. I think the Shake Weight is stupid and doesn't work, but I support and respect the guy who thought about it, developed it, and invested time and money to create something.


Quote: Yep. You answered your own question. Real hot girls don't need online dating, since they have hot guys constantly hitting on them. Online dating is full of fat chicks, shy nut-jobs and undateable disabled people. The 5% - 10% of girls who are actually hot just get constantly hit on with 100's of messages a day, which a) over-inflates their ego meaning they are spoilt/bitchy and b) shit-test you far more than is necessary. I primarily use it to top up my supply of casual sex, check it once a week sorta thing, that's all it's good for. Would never use it to get a girlfriend. The difference between online dating and this app, is that despite my criticism of it, the purpose of online dating is POSITIVE. The idea is to put new people in touch with each other to make new connections. Whereas the app is just an excuse for gossiping people to dish the dirt. Even if they say something positive about an ex, it is still rooted in self-absorbed bragging. Quote

Again, you get into the merits of online gaming which was not being discussed by me. (Funny how in a paragraph where you say that "it's rooted in self-absorbed bragging" you never address what I said, but go into self absorbed bragging). What I said was online dating can be a deterrence to guys from cold approaching too, so what's the difference here? You are saying that YOU use online game sparingly, but that whoever uses the app will be on it 24/7. If you are going to look at extremes, at least be balanced.

If we are talking what makes someone cold approach less or more, online dating or an app like this, what would it be? Logically, the app is to be used AFTER you meet/approach a girl so if a guy is not approaching what is he searching for on the app? It is easier for a guy to go online, to Okc, Pof, match etc, and find endless women to send messages to. He could send messages all day. Can I guy spend the same time on the app? Logically no. So who has more time to and motivation to approach? The guy who can send messages all day, or the guy who if he is disqualifying women based on their reviews, will be motivated to meet more women, and check more reviews. My question is, would you be against an online dating app because guys could stop cold approaching or cold approach less because of it?

Quote: You have no idea what you're talking about. This forum is 100% anonymous. Even if a girl logged in and read all the posts on here, there's no way she would know any of the posts were about her. The app is only 50% anonymous, meaning the girls' identities are exposed, but the bitching little whiner ex-boyfriends hide weakly behind their screens talking shit and bragging. If you want to be a real man, never say anything about a girl you've dated that you wouldn't say to her face. Take this as a lesson in manhood, since you clearly don't know shit about being a man. Quote

Again, making assumptions. I mention forums vs the app, say I don't see the difference, so you jump to I must be the type of guy who would talk about a girl behind their backs. I have not said one negative thing about women so I'm not being a man...how? Ironically, you sound like a woman with these far leaps in logic to attack someone over an opinion. Is this a manly trait?


Quote: Anybody who writes PUA books and can get them published has at least done their research and had a publisher give their approval, even if the book is average at worst. This app on the other hand, cannot filter out all the bullshit from spam posting chodes and AFCs. You are saying taking advice from any old AFC chodes is as just as useful as advice from a published researched experienced PUA?? Quote

This shows how much you know about the community. Most PUA books are ebooks. They are created by the guru, typed up and sold, simple as that. You are saying that by having a book "published" (Note: most pickup books are not), that it's credible in the first place? Roosh is a "published" PUA author on Amazon. His books sell well. He was stated before that he suggests guys only have unprotected sex. This is all true. I think his advice is stupid and I don't follow it, regardless of his "credentials" by your standards. But, if some newbie follows his advice and gets AIDs, I'll still say it's on the newb for following it. You equate Guru with some type of guarantee that their advice is good. Not even the point I was talking about but your blind faith is apparent here.

Quote:Yet more spurious analogies. The app does more harm than good for 2 main reasons;
1) It attempts to replace a man's own sensible judgement with other men's bitchy / bragging reviews and
2) Nobody wants to hear graphic detail about another guy getting his cock sucked by your girlfriend. It puts unnecessary jealousy in your mind which otherwise wouldn't have been there. So it will cause problems in an otherwise healthy relationship.Quote

1. The app doesn't REPLACE anyone's judgement. Same way a review site (that's what it is as u guys have stated) doesn't attempt to replace someone's judgement. You read a review if you want to and make your own decision.
2.If you don't want to hear graphic detail about that shit, guess what DONT USE THE APP. As I said, I'M not going to use it, but I'm not so authoritarian that I will force my actions/views on someone else. Let the guys who want to read abt the cocks, read abt the cocks. Ironic you're so open minded for sluts, but want to stop people from making their own decisions.

At the end of the day, I'm not using the app, and it's obvious the app isn't going to give accurate information. I have never said anything opposing this. But jeez, let people decide for themselves if they want to use it instead of throwing around judgement calls to those who want to. Say "I wouldn't use it because of XYZ" not "here are the reasons its sucks and anyone against it as a whiny bitch." If you don't believe in shaming a slut for being a slut, why shame someone like southern for being a bitch for using an app. You can't have it both ways. You can't shame one person for their personal choices and be against shaming another for theirs.

I swear, I actually had to recheck my post to see if I was hacked. The responses to it were completely unrelated and aggressive. I kept thinking, "huh.. I'm a whining bitch because I said I support someone being an entrepreneur? Huh... I'm not a man because I asked what's the difference between forums and the app? Huh... I like a new toy I stated I'm not going to use?" Shit was confusing. This is a forum. I place of sharing knowledge and perspective. I respected Hunters opinion on a few threads but bashing southern gentleman on his views no matter how much you didn't agree with him was childish. As he wrote "when a minority opinion is expressed it is destroyed quickly." Is this something to be proud of? How quickly you can insult a newbie to get him to submit..

Southern was being straight up bitter and woman-hating. He has since seen the error of his ways so he will improve as long as he remains open minded. I am here because I LOVE women, not the other way round.

Neo, actually I took the time to write a lengthy explanation, with quoting like hunter did. But as I've foreseen, this only leads to more and more "discussing" with your type.
So yeah I gave you a spank for defending this disgusting thing, don't cry :3

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i wouldn't say i was a woman hater, just pretty bitter lol....i had alot of bad experiences with women during my short 20 years on this earth lmao but i definitly love women


except ratchet hood rats, they are the scum of the earth (no im not racist, growing up in "the hood" made me sick of them)

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Cool line dude. Alot of homosexual imagery in your writing btw, you've already talked abt me dildoing my ass. Throw another line out to agree, or just ignore and move on. Don't know much about psychology, but I know a dude who mentions by ass twice is not mentally stable. Seek help and that's 100% sincere.

PS-Lol. Your intro had me rolling. You've laid one chick and been doing this 2 years? Dude, it's a disservice for you to be bashing anyone or giving advice. I literally laughed so loud chick in bed jumped up like Wtf. Funny having to explain this site. Learn before you try to teach anyone. Fuck more than 1 person before you try to teach anyone. And seriously, good luck with your goals

Lol.I'm still rolling. Gnite

Neo:
Now there's a boy, good job. See it isn't that hard to just stand up for yourself and shoot a round for what you believe in much better than your last response, I sincerely appreciate that.

As of my person, true I only banged 2 girls regularly, one being my solid 10 GF (which I screwed up because I got to together with her about 3 months after I started pua and didn't know shit how to keep her hooked).
The other being my love affair(about 3 months after the breakup).
Both over the time of about 1 and a half years in which though I flirted around and practiced didn't pull shit.
It quiet often just appeals to me to get her down for it and don't do it, as I am actually not in this for the quick fuck but to get a perfect relationship or a steamy friend with benefits that I can respect.

You don't like my advice then don't take it, I don't care. I know how to pull strings as I pulled yours and quiet frankly this is all that unnatural pua is about.

That said best of luck to you too and I'm happy that you at least got a good laugh out of this argument :3

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Lol. You can't pull strings to get laid dude. It hasn't been successful for you so far. Second, you replied to what I wrote. I replied back. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. The only string you pull is when you fap. Truth is, you have little to no experience with women/dating/relationships/sex. These are your own words. A humble newb would have prefaced the shit he says by "I'm a newb but I think XYZ." You presented your opinion as if it was based around some knowledge and that's fucked up. A bigger harm to newbs in this community than any app is keyboard jockeys who have no experience and want to pass off their views adamantly. You can't bang 2 chicks at 30 and act like the wise old guy. Read my posts. I joined in 2009 when I was already doing this for 2 years, yet only gave advice in 2012. I waited 5 years until I had a consistent success, a ton of lays, and experience before I started to share my views, because I was humble enough to know I didn't know shit and didn't want to give bad advice to anyone. And even when I started, I had around 20 lays and 3 relationships. I wasn't a disrespectful and aggressive near virgin who acted like I knew shit and any advice I give is based off of experience. Yours is not, and can't be. Nothing wrong with that, but don't pretend you know shit, because it hurts you and others who think you have some experience. In summary, who are you to attack anyone? And at 30 you're talking abt a guy dildoing his ass? I thought you were 17-20. Take care. You have strengthened my view that forums can be a bad place to take advice as a newb as every newb wants to a guru these days. Sigh. Southern gent, continue to be honest with yourself and learn. Bitter or not, you admitted you didn't know much and respect that.

@neo

1. You brought up online dating, not me. Then you criticise me for discussing it? Don't bring shit up if you don't want me to respond to it.

2. The "creation" of something destructive is not to be applauded. You have still failed to provide a legit reason HOW this app will help PUA's. You are still yet to prove how another guy's reviews will help you game the reviewed girl. Show me some real sample reviews on this app which would help a guy with game.

3. You keep defending this app, so of course the natural reaction is to provide you with compelling arguments as to why it does more harm than good.

1.If you said the app will deter guys from approaching, I pointed out that online dating can deter guys as well. You responded with how you use online dating sparingly and it's not a deterrant for you, but you assume that other guys will use the app unsparingly so your argument was not fair. You can't say I am against anything that impairs judgement so I'm against weed totally. If I then point out that alcohol can impair judgement, you then say well I drink alcohol sparingly so it's ok.

2. Never said this is a good app. Never said it could be useful to anyone. Never suggested anyone try it out. Hence I don't plan to use it as I've said over and over. Are you really that gullible that you believed the OP, made an app for PUA's and was a lurker here? No, it's a guy who made an app and he is ADVERTISING the app. He has probably gone on dating sites and posted the same thing with some word changes. I wish no man ill on his endeavours. Even if his app is shit, I still respect the fact he's taking a risk and making a product. If he had made an app that told you where Jupiter is right now, or estimated a girl's clitoral size based off her name, I'd say it was useless but still respect someone actually putting their efforts out there. The OP has made a dumb app, yes, but why attack his right to put something out there and let people decide if they want to use it. If I OD on meth, I'm not blaming the dealer.

3. Defending the app? No. Saying that it's better to let people decide whether they want to use it or not is not defending something. I've known girls who were pro choice but that doesn't mean they are defending abortion. Just the right to let people decide what they do. That's all. And no, the natural reaction here was to bash, change my words around, and question my manhood for not agreeing with your points. It's a forum. Shit aint that serious. It's for discussion and if you want to force opinions start a blog. But on a forum, say your opinion, debate someone else's but to resort to name calling and verbal aggression is childish. Mostly dark dragon, which I understand he needs to get laid but I was disappointed in you when your response included sly attacks.

quote: one thing i love about this site is if you stand up and express an minority opinion you get shot down very quick and told to man up:quote

Hunter, talking to you man to man, hoping you are like me and really give a fuck about helping guys here. Do these words describing this forum and thread reflect how you think opinions should be handled here? That a newb should look at see that minority opinions are "shot down" QUICK, instead of being discussed calmly amongst men trying to share knowledge and perspective? That telling a newb, no you're wrong and being a bitch is actually going to help anyone understand anything. I was fucking disgusted by how personal this thread got after I left my response that didn't attack anyone, say anyone's opinion was stupid, call anyone a bitch. There were many effective ways of discussing the app and I'm sorry, shit should never go personal and that does more harm to newbies than any app ever could. Again, I questioned your arguments, didn't call you stupid for having them and didn't say or assume shit about you as a person.

Sometimes guys need a slap in the face though....Whereas sometimes they need nurture and encouragement. There are situations which call for one or the other. I remember when I was 19 my brother called me a bitch for moping over a girl and that I should man the fuck up. And he was right! I nearly cried when he shouted at me but I choked back tears and swallowed them and I've never cried over a woman since. It was exactly what I needed. He had spent weeks trying to comfort me with kindness, in the end he got sick of it.

Online dating leads to meet-ups. I don't understand how this app leads to meet-ups, unless there is a "Contact This Whore" button on the app itself.

The key immoral principle of this app which should be condemned is the lack of consent. Posting personal details of something personal between you and the girl is not fair on the women.

I disapprove of this.

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