I've travelled a lot in the last few years, and I've heard in a lot of different countries say something along the lines of this:
"If I don't really like a guy I'll sleep with him right away. If I think I might really like him I make him wait until the 5th date". Of course won't admit that first part if they're trying to play innocent.

So A LOT of chicks say this but I never experience it this way. I got thinking about it in relation to myself when I was talking to a buddy's GF about this recently and I went back over the last 20 chicks that I've hooked up with. And with all but 3 of them I at least got to third base (and fucked most of those) by the second day. And the three I didn't, I only didn't fuck them sooner because I wasn't sure I wanted to; they were gagging for it earlier.

It seems that there's ways to explain this, either:
A)I'm fucking awesome a getting chicks that are into me to fuck me fast; or
B)My game goes all to fuck after the second day if I don't get some; or
C)Chicks usually see me as a guy they want to fuck but not date (at least until they fuck me); or
D)Girls are totally full of shit on this one.

Now that I actually kind of want a LTR, it kind of matters to me which of these it is.

So I thought I'd ask the forum if it ever actually happens like this for any of you; as in you meet a chick, you can tell she wants you early on but it takes you five dates or so to get in there and then you go on to have a happy relationship. Does it ever actually happen like this or is this just some bullshit fiction that girls have in their mind?

This is option "D". I normally go for sex asap. This never proved to fail and doesn't prevent you from getting into relationship.

If anything, hesitating to fuck a girl will put you in the friendzone.

Girls say that a lot, despite it being pretty much the most frustrating and infuriating thing they can say to a guy "i.e. if i didnt like you as much I would give it up but because I like you I will punish you by withholding sex." When women do this to me which is rare but it has happened, I get visibly angry and call them out on their idiotic logic. It surprisingly works in getting me laid. Either way, to your bigger point, yes girls try to have these stupid rules, and taking it slow is good for the woman (leaves her options open etc. etc.) but it is bad for you as a guy to allow them to do that. I have almost never waited 5 dates, maybe when I was younger, in general I get laid first or 2nd date.

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Women are too emotionally charged to follow rules.

As soon as I read your title i thought "full of shit"

Fuck girls as early as you can, every time.

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Yes. Also never, ever, listen to what they say; only watch what they do. Oftentimes, the two are at polar opposites.

There's the Third Date Rule which is if you make it to the third date you're getting laid. Never heard of the "5 date" rule.

It's not bullshit, it's actually true. We all seek different people to fill different gaps in our life. Generally when a woman fucks you on the first date you're not boyfriend material, you're temporary in her mind or just fun. It generally means she's either a A) A slut, B) Just horny and wants to get fucked that night or C) You might be good in the sack and she's got nothing else going on so why not? There's also D) You just so happened to play her perfectly and messed with her emotions so much she genuinely believes she needs to lock you in because you're unpredictable and won't be around for long.

Generally a woman knows it's not going to lead anywhere long term so she'll sleep with you right off the bat. If she sees a guy she's really into and sees as boyfriend material she will play it out so she doesn't come across as a slut. She wants to make a guy feel like he is special to her, that she doesn't let just anyone penetrate her. She's conveying that the act of sexual intercourse is a bonding ritual and something that is sacred, something she is investing in the guy and something he should be investing in her.

Now, if a woman blatantly tells you that's what she's actually doing then she's a nut job. She's not worth it.

Have to disagree with gamesSN about womens view to relationship not doing SNL etc.

If you go on a day 2 or whatever doesnt matter if she sees you as just a fuck or a potential relationship if you turn her on enough she IS going to fuck you same day. Not only will they fuck you same day but it will enrichen the bond and make it even more likely more her to want to date you seriously, not less.

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Absolutel this. This was one of my very first articles (To learn from women, learn from what they do, not what they say)

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Some of this is true except the part about correlation to dating her. The earlier you have sex, the easier to make her your girlfriend, even if she thinks she was just "using you for sex", the most obvious reason for this is that women become attached after sex, so the sooner it happens, the less chance another guy enters the picture and/or she loses interest before you even get to the third date.

This is a big reason women take their time: to leave more options open because they know after sex they become attached. That free option is good for the woman because it gives her time to explore more options, it is not good for you. Always try to have sex ASAP. It will virtually never lower your odds of making her your girlfriend and almost always increase them.

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the countries say this? who is ''the countries'' and have you experienced a lot of women trying to aggressively sleep with you on that magical 5th date?

Okay, I should clarify a couple things about what I'm getting at with this post:

1. When I say girls say they have a 5 date rule, it's not the girls that I'm trying to nail that are telling me this.. it's girls I'm talking to as friends acquaintances etc

"Girls say that a lot, despite it being pretty much the most frustrating and infuriating thing they can say to a guy "i.e. if i didnt like you as much I would give it up but because I like you I will punish you by withholding sex." When women do this to me which is rare but it has happened, I get visibly angry and call them out on their idiotic logic. It surprisingly works in getting me laid."

So yeah, I don't know if a girl I'm try to bang has ever said that so directly to me.. but if they did I'd take the exact same approach. My question is more geared toward to when I chick seems gagging for it but just won't give in despite your best Anti-ASD tactics etc.. or when she says "I'm not that type of girl" etc. Have you guys experienced where that has turned out to be a chick just being really stubborn with herself and enforcing this 5 date rule?

2. I'm not asking if we should wait to try to have sex if we want a relationship. As far as I'm concerned the sooner we can get in there, the better for us on all counts. What I'm really wondering is if when she seems into you and you've tried to hook up with, AND YOU CAN'T by the 2,3,4th date, can it actually be a sign that she's thinking about you more seriously?

Many girls would claim so. But like I said, my experience is that usually if I can't get them in bed by the second date it's not going to happen. So this is a question about using my time the most efficiently. In the last couple of months I've meet a couple chicks I would love to have a LTR but I haven't been able to make it happen by the 2nd night like I usually can. In one case it definitely didn't work out and I got nothing, but with the other girl it seems like it's still up in the air. So I guess as a general question, if it seems like the chick is into you but you can't get her to put out by the second date.. how much of the time do you guys estimate that she holds out "because she might really like you" vs she's just not that interested?

I'm bringing this question to the community because I got into game maybe two and half years ago and since then I've lived a pretty unconventional life. Part of the time I worked an intense job that gave me almost no time to date and most of the rest of the time I've spent travelling the world. So that's given me lots of chance to practice game but travelling it's either you get it by the first or second night or you likely never see them again. So while I feel like my game is pretty good, I'm finding dating in "the real world" weird.

"the countries say this? who is ''the countries''

Canada, USA, Australia, England (yeah I know, the anglo-sphere) but also heard it in Brazil, most other european countries, definitely Germany where I live now.

Come to think of it I've never heard an Asian chick (I mean actually from Asia) say anything about this... and I've never been to Africa..

"and have you experienced a lot of women trying to aggressively sleep with you on that magical 5th date?"

And obviously no.. I've rarely had the time to get to five dates in the last years.. and for that matter, I pretty much always move on if I don't get any by the second night. So I'm trying to figure if I should change this policy. I mean if it's really the case that some girls I really like ARE holding out on me because they really like me (I agree it's stupid), then it's a pity if I just toss them aside cause I couldn't fuck them in two nights. Especially if it's a chick that I see LTR with. But I also hate fucking wasting my time when it's going to go nowhere.

there it is, the answer you were searching for, if this was a rule you would probably be seeing that 5th date more often and having women make sure that they sealed the deal to keep ''the one'' that they had just found, and guaranteed if you tried too early and they had this rule (which some girls actually may, or at least don't want to sleep with a guy on the first date) for the guys they liked the most, they wouldn't let you go so easily if you gave up before 5 dates

Pumpington, you're missing the point of why I'm posting here... I haven't even been in a position to have time to have 5 dates with a chick before moving cities in the last 2-3 years until now. Chicks knew I was leaving they expected me to pump and leave them. So anything serious I've had in this time has been when I chick catches feelings after I fuck her and decides that somehow against all practicality she wants to keep me in her life. So I don't really consider my experience to be a valid indicator of anything on this topic.

And that's why I'm trying to poll the experience of other guys here. And I'm interested to see if guys ever do Isn't that the point of a pick up forum? So that guys can share their experience in order to better get what they want from women..

Anyways, I'll tally you up on the "it's total bullshit" side of the poll.

I should have mentioned that I was talking about how women rationalise it consciously, not unconsciously. We all know the power of kino(Touch) so it goes without saying that sex will higher their interest in you unless you're the worst lay they've ever had. However, women will make a guy wait and be well aware of it because they don't want to give up the goods too easily(Ref. to my first post on this). The Three Date Rule/Five Date Rule(?) is a conscious thought process, not unconscious and does override the unconsciousness. It's essentially a set of morals they follow by.