I'm not sure if you guys can understand what she was saying the post I made. But her tone was like, trying not to cry, missing me, and testing me to see if I still care...

I wish I knew how this would turn out. A girl I know said she was in the sane position and being with other guys made things worse. She said, you hv to be single and work in yourself. Yet, since this girls a virgin, maybe she has to see so many guys she'll be sick of them and realize how special I am.

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Reread the thread to see if there was something I was missing. To sumamrize:

You were dating a girl who would text/flirt with other guys. She was not your gf and you didn't agree to being exclusive. She claims to be a virgin, told you to force her, when you tried to she made you stop as a joke and egged you on the not stop next time, instead of continuing you gave her a speech and backed down. Then later you gave her another speech about feelings/ love and told her you wanted her to see other people as a way to make her come back...The whole ending is confusing

This sounds like it's all you dude. The girl is 23 she doesn't need any more time from you to explore her options. You have analyzed the shit out of this girl when you're plain wrong and have no experience doing so. By your own words this is new to you too.

[quote] She's a virgin, so she hasn't had a lot of experience with guys. So she has all these desires. Like she's kept them inside for so long and wants to be free and all that. So I'm just letting her do that.[quote]

You have literally cold readed a girl AWAY from you lol. You're insecure and afraid to get hurt so you tell her "I know you like me, and I could have been your first...but instead I feel like even though you lived 23 years of your life without sex you need to experience that." What SINGLE 23 year old girl who has not slept with a guy and who she's not in a relationship with would not keep her options open? If you want a 23 yr old to only be into you, you fuck her and get her committed.

You have gotten and wasted great advice from others here such as Xoved. The very fact this girl still likes you mean she must really like you. You've made a ton of mistake (eg CRYING and not fucking her ) and she still saw you...Dude...she fucking likes you. Just stop the overanalyzing. You don't know shit. I repeat. You don't know shit. Date her, FUCK her, and tell her don't talk to anyone else.

Neo,

Thanks for your response. But there's a lot you missed out on.
Yes, I'm afraid to get hurt, Yes, I made some mistakes. I'm not blaming her.

The ending: I told her we should just be fwb, and I'd give her time to get these desires out to go talk to other guys. I can't let my relationship with her go any further.

However, she wanted to play games. If you read everything clearly you'd see. She wanted me to not see her for a week to see if she misses me. That's stupid. And gives the ability to dictate our relationship.
She also admitted that if she didn't fall in love with me, she'd get bored and move on to the next. I had a bad feeling it wouldn't last. And she admitted that the guesses I made were right. So, how could I hv made the wrong choice? If my goal is to go around with a different girl every night, then it don't matter. But if I'm just interested in one girl thsb it does.

The quote you have of me, is actually her words not mine. I'm protecting myself from hurt. I don't hv all the answers, I'm trying to figure it all out. I can't immediately tell her I want her back. She'd be confused. Maybe I should give her time without me to appreciate me?

I'll give her a month or two, and try to repair things maybe. I didn't reject all of the advice Xoved or hunter gave me. I payed attention to all of it. I'm trying my best to be a better man. When I called her recently I did much better, I didn't get emotional or anything and was more of a leader.

If I tell her not to see anyone else, doesn't that sound beta?
I'm trying my best Neo, I really am.

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This is obvious. So if she doesn't fall in love with you she should just stay with you? This is common sense. If 2 people are dating and feelings don't get stronger they will move to new people. What's wrong with this?

You cried and were overly emotional with a girl so she pulled back. Of course when you break down crying, talking about killing yourself the girl is going to agree that you should be apart. She is going to start agreeing with you and lose attraction for you from that point. Hell, she probably just wanted to get home safely at that point.

If you could cry and talk that I'd kill myself stuff around a girl and she even keeps your number, consider yourself lucky. That's why I said this girl must really like you. Heck, a married man tells his wife he'd kill himself if she left him and that would cause her feelings to drop real quick. Count the fact that she is even returning your calls as a blessing. Crying and talking about killing yourself...I have no idea how to come back from that and that is the MOST BETA thing a man could do so if she is still talking to you, consider that as evidence she really likes you. Man, a chick you can cry before and talk about suicide 1 month in is a chick you should marry immediately...because she must really like you for you.

If you're dating a girl, odds are she's keeping her options open. If she's your gf and she's flirting with guys, fine walk away. But who walks away from a girl who they haven't slept with who is flirting with other guys? You initiated a "breakup" with a girl who wasn't your gf, who you hadn't slept with, just because she was flirting with other guys....

If you're a guy dating a woman today, yes, most likely she's going to be talking to other dudes. She may be fucking other dudes, making out with other dudes, giving head to other dudes. If you can't accept that reality that occurs pre exclusivity, I don't know how you will handle other women.

Drop the alpha stuff. With all due respect, you've done the most beta things....No coming back from that. The only worse thing you could have done is chopped off a finger for her to prove your love. At this point, tell her you love her...make her your gf and fuck her. You've already gone really beta and she's still there.

Maybe that's because I've done a better job than I've explained and maybe she's a great girl as well. She actual just txt'ed me 5 seconds ago, saying this:

Her: Hey when's your big gig
Me Idk yet, still setting it up!
Her well make sure to film it
Me. Sure; maybe I'll save you some VIP passes
Her That'd be nice, i always wanted to see u play with ur brothers plus i miss u
Me: Not so fast, you'll hv to earn them missy... I miss u too
Her: and how do I do that?
Me: Be creative!
Her Well how can i do that when youre in YOUR TOWN
Me: I'll be in HER TOWN soon. Lets start with a candle lit, dinner.
Her: I like the sound of that
Her: But for real, i wanna hear u live
Me: I'm gonna' make it so that the whole world can hear us live.
Me: bring ear plugs - it gets loud
Her Lol no i wanna hear what u have to say
Me: Awesome! Anyhow, I hv to get to bed, I'll ttyl gn x
Her: gn

END

I wanted to keep it subtle, I did some push and pull and wasnt needy. Is it bad she didn't say "x" back. She probably won't do that with me cause shes upset. Did I show too much interest?

Guys, I'm determined to be amazing at pua. I know I may deserve the slight taunts now but I will get better. Also, I usually post the mistakes I've made on here I rarely say my successes, only cause I'm so determined to get better.

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What do you guys think? (Of the above post)
My plan is to cut communication like Xoved said, see her in mid December (the 14th) and continue things with her.

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Cut communication, why ? I simply don't understand.

She is into you. First I thought with your behaviour you'll be kicked to the curb but you weren't.

Why don't you meet her and do the candle light dinner as you've suggested in your texts ?

Why don't you listen to people here and go meet her and fuck her ?

Why do you make your life so complicated ?

This girl wants you. You made mistakes (and big ones) but she still wants you. It doesn't even matter how insecure you are. You could have one leg instead of two she would still want you. You are very lucky with this girl now. But if she meets another guy you will be done forever.

If I were you I would meet up with her in her town for dinner. Have a few drinks so you can't drive back. Stay at her place. And fuck her. You could have done this a million years ago. But it's still not too late. Do it NOW.

Your right AFC, thank you for your response. However maybe you can help me understand how to get around the obstacles.

It's been 2 weeks, I didn't communicate with her as much like Xoved said. I cut communication for a little, cause I told her she needs to work on herself, and her issues and I can't be with her till she does. I'm trying my best to take everyone's advice, honestly, there's just thing I don't understand. So maybe I can tell her I just wanted to give her time to think straight but how would I get back with her? And is 2 weeks enough?

Sex: She's 70 miles from me and lives with her parents, so I don't know where I could have sex with her?
After breaking up with her, how would I get back together with her so fast. She wouldn't want to hv sex with anyone she's not in a relationship with.

Also, I don't drink.

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