Hi.

Want to ask a girl out. On some threads I read that you should show domiance and kinda of do not give her a choice, but then it is easy to become too arrogant. On others I read you should keep it casual to keep the pressure low, but then you may come off as needy. On some, they say do it in advance, to reduce chances of her having plans. On others, they say do it in the moment to show you are a busy guy.

What text do you think woukd work best:

"I'm going to *place*. Wanna come?"

"Wanna go to *place* tonight. Pick you up at *hour*?"

Or anything else? And how long before the actual date?

Dude...
If she has time and she likes you she WILL come with you. Just ask her!! Its not needy at all. Just say "Hey lets grab a coffee tomorrow/ on friday" If she has plans already you cant change it anyway. Element of randomness... If she is interested she will say yes or tell you when she is free.

One thing i dont recommend is "forcing" her. I tried that once and the girl was incredibly pissed about the fact that i wanted to tell her what to do.

I texted her something like " We´re going to (location) tomorrow. I will pick you up at (time) "
Dont do that... She was so pissed she didnt speak to me for 3 weeks or some haha.

I usually suggest a time and place. I prefer dates at night, by far. You should not want to keep it super casual etc. because you want her to invest something. Stop thinking about how to "not lose" and start thinking about how to "win". Coffee during her lunch break etc. are great ways to make it easy for her to say yes but they are unlikely to accomplish much. Ask her out to drinks, at night.

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She likes clubbing. I hate.

I was thinking drinks at local bar district to start and move to club if it goes well.

Thank you both.

Do drinks somewhere quietish and dim .. maybe a lounge type place? I wouldn't go to a club w/her if things are going well I would just try to get her back to your place.

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Got to agree with JTQatar here.
Her saying yes or no isn't depending on when you ask her at all. It's if she likes you or not and wants to go on a date with you.
Girls respond best to confidence so when you ask her, ask her confidently and not as if it is some huge deal. It's only 2 people spending time with each other at the end of the day. If she says "no" which I'm sure she wont then ask what time she is free and just be confident. If it turns out she isn't attracted and doesn't want a date then work out where you need to improve, dust yourself off and move on.
Either way, hope this helped and good luck man.

Hunter

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PS.
Think of a good first date and try to avoid stereotypical and cliche things like drinks, restaurant or to the cinema. Think of fun things where you will socialize (unlike the cinema) like a themepark for the day if she likes rides or to a museum or art exhibit if she likes that sort of thing, Adjust your venue to fit the girl and not the girl to fit the venue.
Even if you aren't into art or anything and she is you can get her to teach you some art and just try to keep her laughing and have fun

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Eh, the stereotypical dates are tried and true and they work. Don't hide your personality behind a fun activity, be fun because you are fun, not because you need a fun activity to make her have fun. The key to a good date is LOGISTICS. Maximize the odds you can escalate as opposed to having to end an awesome date early because of some dumb shit like planning a date before she has to go to dinner etc.

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I concur.

If you have something tried and tested, why deviate? Moving during a date is very powerful if you're in a setting where escalating is hard. As a result I never like to stay for drinks for too long (never actually leaped across the table to insert tongue in girl). Pick a location that is close to other interesting things (good ice cream parlor, cocktail bar, restaurant, attractions (cities)). If you're real city dweller and you can get on top of a building, that's pretty neat as well (believe me, this stuff has a high success rate).

In terms of phrasing I like to be precise. In my case I usually make it a two-part proposal, so that she can't flake by saying "I can't do that day" (which puts you in the situation where, if you haven't built enough attraction yet, you will have to "chase" her by proposing more date/times). Personally I don't do date requests *on the spot*, unless we are texting very regularly (which is usually after a few dates). For example it's Saturday now and I want to set up a D1 next week. What I do a lot is indicate that I'm busy next week, and ask her how her week looks like (this is BEFORE we talk dates at all). After that I'd suggest one of her free dates and suggest "Cool, I could do Y as well. Let's go for X at Z a clock!"

This is money in the bank. Or if the weather is nice, a simple walk in the park (even at night) can work. Or walking around the city, showing her around. After going kino and going on your walk: "I know a cool spot." --> Walk her to your place.

Fair points, I guess if you're more comfortable and confident with your own tried and tested methods then you should stick with them. I'm not trying to say you shouldn't do them at all but just try and think of something more unique and fun, not to hide behind but I'm sure a girl would rather go on a fun date with a fun guy rather than a typical date with a fun guy. How many times do you think she's been asked to go for a drink compared to swimming with dolphins for a date? (assuming there has been some previous talk about her wanting to swim with dolphins or some shit like that and isn't just completely random. This also shows you actually listened to her and acted upon it)
But hey, just stick with what works for you. I'm just offering a perspective

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you're over thinking about it. Just ask her out... don't force her but speak with confidence. don't worry about you exact words... or you'll stumble.

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club is a terrible place to bring a date

nv ever send a text like u are forcing her and leaving her with no choice. the possibility of back firing is very high.

u can just ask her if she is free on any date. that u would like to find to find a companion to do *whatever stuff*