This is a confidence problem. He just doesn't feel excited about trying. This whole thread is like a pity party to make him feel better. This kid could be getting fucked later on this night if he just grabbed his balls and acted.

I never said college campuses are a bad place to get laid at all, I said I never got the hype. I have approached, talked to people, become social, and done all that shit. At this point I just feel like giving up and moving ahead. I am much happier now that my state of mind is free from feeling bad about being whatever race I am and feeling that the world is against me for my skin color, it is completely free from that. I have overcome it.

Now I am just confused as to why, after reading years of PUA, putting in time with my looks, approaching, and doing all that, I cannot get laid at my college. So instead of making myself miserable again, I have given up and looked forward to life after it.

Traveling, working, meeting people in a big city, constantly improving, and becoming even better. I have accepted destiny just didn't want me to live the college experience and I am happy with it.

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I know that you probably aren't happy. But if you really are then great, look forward to life after college. It's gonna be fun.

Looking forward to "Life after college sucks" thread

If you can't get laid at college, the real world won't be easier for any reason whatsoever. Now you might not think college is great, but when are you ever going to have that many girls to meet, all with at least one thing in common with you (ie; they go to the same college as you)?! Answer - you're not.

Now if you're opening, chatting to girls etc. as you say you are, but still can't get laid all that often, then why do you think that doing the same things outside of college will get you laid? Answer - it won't. Girls aren't going to magically change when you get out of college. There are all sorts of girls in college. There are all sorts of girls outside of college. Maybe when a girl gets to 30/40 she might start looking for different things - settling down and kids etc. rather than a string of flings perhaps - but if you want to wait until then, you may as well get off here now! Bottom line is, that it's not the girls, it's not the college, it's something you're doing or not doing.

Your list of self improvements starts with reading, then talks about looks, briefly mentions approaching, and then says "and all that" dismissively. But the "and all that" bit is far more important than reading or looks, and to be quite honest is more important than opening as well. Anyone with an ounce of confidence can say hi, but not everyone can retain a frame to get a girl into bed.

Now you say you are doing things and they're not working. So rather than simply hoping that doing the same things out of college will suddenly get you results, why not look properly at why things aren't working? From your posting style, I doubt very much that you escalate kino properly. I doubt you even touch people at all. Then after that, I don't know you so I can't say why you're going wrong - but your general posting style and attitude would suggest to me that you get offended easily (you regularly try to "burn" other posters back if they criticise you, thinking that being offensive back is the best way to deal with people being offensive to you), you haven't got much self confidence and belief, you probably can't have an interesting conversation because you're always over analysing shit and even in a discussion you will probably be worrying about what you're saying, trying to interpret what the girls saying and read into it whether she likes you or not etc. etc.

Now that is purely from what I interpret of you off this website. I could be miles out, but I doubt I am - certainly not on everything. If you really want improvements, don't just do nothing and hope that a change of scenery will help you, actually go and sort yourself out.

I believe there is a FINE LINE between criticism and insulting. If someone tells me that I am doing something wrong on here and criticizes my views, I debate with them intellectually. Now if someone comes on here and calls me a bitch and all that shut, then I do try to burn them (and I usually do).

Now 7000, the biggest issue with your college logic is that college is a closed system that thrives off of social proof. You can't go around KINOing or touching girls you barely know because you will see those same girls over and over again, they will tell their friends, and if you do it enough you will probably end up a campus creep like PUA Sean Larson (Ohio State). Ya, the biggest mistake I made was applying PUA principles to college, that shit doesn't work here and I can say that by experience.

But what I do feel you are right about is that some part of my character and personality is stopping me from developing the social proof necessary to do well in college. I guess it can show on these forums too as I have constantly asked for advice and rarely given much back to the community, though I would love to.

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I graduated from college around 5 months ago. I was under some SERIOUS pressure where I was double majoring, really young, bad financial circumstances at many times. I had tons of problems on my head, from friend problems to family problems and I never came whining and saying that game is hard. I went out very often, made decent friends that I like, went gym every single day, graduated with a really high GPA and hooked up with lots of girls. Nothing can stop you. You are the one limiting yourself.

Put your life together man, it's not that hard. The only way you'll fail doing so is if you stay living like that and having no intentions to change.

Organize your time. Make time for study, make time for going out and enjoy every single moment. Approach girls like you don't care what the result is. Don't just sit here and read responses from all people and crave more responses because you think they'll make you feel good. People will tell you to change, but nothing can change your mindset unless YOU do it. Set priorities and go for what you really want out of this life.

I can say no more, because if you wanted to change, you'd just get up and do so immediately.

The nice thing about that "social proof" you complain about is that just about ANYONE CAN MOVE UP THE LADDER WITHOUT MUCH EFFORT. You could have pledged a fraternity, joined a club, or gotten a house with friends off campus and thrown parties. You chose not to. That's the point people are trying to make. Any disadvantages you may or may not have right now are due solely to the choices you've made.

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These hos ain't loyal

Its not your fault man. Maybe a change of scenery is all you need. Maybe you're just a shark out of water. Maybe your just a lion lost at sea. Maybe you are just an eagle trap in a cage. Maybe you need to just find the place that works for you.

Its a good excuse.

Disagree. "Kino" should be a part of you anyway. If you're the sort of guy who is touchy anyway, with men and women, then you can quite easily start to escalate sexually with a girl and it won't come across as any different to how you normally are. You shake handswith men, give everyone a hug, pat on the back, touch their arm when you're laughing at one of their jokes. Do that with everyone. Then when there's a girl you like you escalate slowly. If at any point there is a suggestion of her becoming 'creeped out' then you drop down the "kino ladder". You then either try to go up it again slowly, or you move on. But if you're just moving up it slowly, the worst that will happen is that the girl will not be sure if you were just being touchy with her or if you were coming on to her.

And it's not about giving back to the community. Plenty of people don't give anything back. Plenty of people think they are giving back and are just talking bull! (Me included at times, I'm sure!) But the thing is mindset. It's not about taking and giving ratios, it's just about not caring. It's your style of post. But don't think about trying to change how you post, that's not the important thing here. The thing is that your posting is a symptom of your inner game. Change your inner game not your posting!

I looked back and reflected at the situation. Truth is I am very frustrated. Even though I have had some lays in college, most of my time at my current university has either been spent:

1. Lonely
2. With friends that don't want anything to do with pickup or chasing girls

I did a poor job of hiding that but the thread has sucked because I mentioned it. I mentioned my frustration with my college experience and I guess destiny never wanted me to have the college experience anyways so to hell with that. My focus is now on graduating.

7000 you told me to be proactive. To either do something about my terrible college experience or try to graduate as fast as I can and I am doing just that.

Truth is, I want to move on now. College is not for me I guess. The real world offers me variety, I don't know why people say college is all that because it is so tough to meet people in this closed system (especially since Greek Life runs my university).

And I can see how some kids enjoy college, early on it is very easy to make friends and meet people but as you turn into an upperclassman it becomes very difficult.

I have decided to be proactive, graduate as fast as I can, and then look into how rough is the real world thing. Apparently a lot of PUAs seem to be excelling after college and even better off after it so there might be some light at the end of the tunnel. But for me I would say right now is a "mirage". Seeing so many hot girls but knowing I don't have the social proof and status that it takes on this small campus to attract them.

A focus on a heavy courseload next semester should take my attention off of all of that.

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Guys who are saying if you can't get laid in college you cant get laid anywhere, well, thats a half truth. I know a guy who cant get laid to save himself in college but can go to a club in the city and get laid no worries. I was in a similar situation working in a big office, bad social proof in office zero lays but I could go out and get an SNL with a HB8 at a club.

It's a vicious cycle, low confidence in college = bad social proof = low confidence = bad social proof.

Real world cold approaching everything is fresh and social proof all of a sudden means jackshit. But you have to make the most of cleansheet approaches otherwise you'll find yourself getting no lays in the real world.

I've never been to college so I don't fully understand the dynamics but if its anything like high school everyone gets pigeon holed and while you can reframe and dig your way out but its not easy. If you had time up your sleave i would say yes do that, work on your game, join a club, fuck a few gossipy girls and things will snowball. But if you about to finish anyway...

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It came to me in a drreeeaaammmm

EXACTLY. I read "Conquer Your Campus" and it talked about the whole tribe mentality that exists in college and that made me understand why me doing all these cold approaches was hurting me. So that is precisely why I stopped but I realized that this is how college works. People form cliques their freshman and sophomore years and their junior and senior years they become closed off from meeting people.

PUA does NOT WORK for the college campuses, at all. It works better for the big cities and the open wild. For college you have to fake being a guy who cares about everyone and kiss enough ass to climb to the top of the social ladder to get laid.

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I have to agree to some points you just said, I can't doubt that. University has somehow a different SPAM than that of a work-life SPAM. What I've noticed the most is that PUA works everywhere, but the lowest rates go to university. This is simply because people are still developing. Many of the guys and girls are still virgins, meaning that they are barely experienced in sex. Thus, touching them often and escalating could be seen straightforward as a creepy behavior. I'd prefer doing the PUA related stuff in bars and clubs mostly.

I wasn't into PUA when I was in university, and I was personally doing great. However, PUA has benefited me greatly because of the things I didn't use to pay attention to, and I always seemed to interpret things differently even when I got laid.

Overall, just be yourself. It was my passion to meet new people, make a lot of friends and club at least 4 times a week when I was in university, and I successfully did it. If you're negative at all times and carry this mindset with you to university, you'll barely score. In short, change your mindset from a PUA one to a guy who just is himself and is interested in meeting girls, that would help a lot. University is a one-in-a-lifetime experience, don't waste it miserably thinking about routines and lines you practice on girls, but rather as a social circle development.