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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:40 pm 
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She's 23..

I can't be in a FWB relationship with her, cause she's a virgin. I don't think it's worth it, I've put so much into her and got little back. I think I should tell her this Sat, that I can't be in a relationship with her and explain why, but still offer her my friendship... What do you guys think

She may cheat on me, and get with other guys in the future and that would hurt me far too much.

P.S. I showed interest like that, cause I didn't do enough of it, and thought we had a relationship so it was ok. How would you prefer I talk.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:34 am 
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Her: I'm googling your gift :P (for Christmas)
Me: I'm sure, I'm gonna' love it babe, mwuahh!
Her U better!
Because it wasnt really affection. it was soppy and a bit gross. She wants to impress you with a gift but you've already said you'll love whatever she buys, which takes away her opportunity to please you with a good gift. She has no emotional investment in you. You're basically sending her the message that she could do a smelly turd and wrap it up in a box. You'd still open it and say "Wow thanks babe. A Christmas turd!!! Just what I wanted! ... Mwah!". The point is, you're not letting her EARN your affection. You are rewarding her with affection BEFORE she has earned it. She should earn it by treating you well, cooking for you, sucking your dick and lots of sex, whatever. Only then should you reward her.

Hate to be the one to break it to you, but lets look at the facts:

1) She is flirty with other men in front of you
2) She is actively online dating on OKcupid
3) She is all of the above and she is 23 years old

Do you honestly believe this woman is a virgin? Honestly?
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Me: But, what should I put in your.. Stocking?
Don't ask her what she wants. Take charge, be a man. Where are your balls?
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Her Sry my boobs r too small to hold cookies (I feel she's not engaging)
Me There fine! ...What would you prefer we put in...
Her Errm lol
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:10 am 
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Put your dick in this girl already.... Damn... It's not that hard... All this love talk is disgusting for people who are not sleeping together. I could understand at 16 but 23... I've slept with 3 girls since I posted here... Just take it dude.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:46 pm 
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Her: I'm googling your gift :P (for Christmas)
Me: I'm sure, I'm gonna' love it babe, mwuahh!
Her U better!
Because it wasnt really affection. it was soppy and a bit gross. She wants to impress you with a gift but you've already said you'll love whatever she buys, which takes away her opportunity to please you with a good gift. She has no emotional investment in you. You're basically sending her the message that she could do a smelly turd and wrap it up in a box. You'd still open it and say "Wow thanks babe. A Christmas turd!!! Just what I wanted! ... Mwah!". The point is, you're not letting her EARN your affection. You are rewarding her with affection BEFORE she has earned it. She should earn it by treating you well, cooking for you, sucking your dick and lots of sex, whatever. Only then should you reward her.

Hate to be the one to break it to you, but lets look at the facts:

1) She is flirty with other men in front of you
2) She is actively online dating on OKcupid
3) She is all of the above and she is 23 years old

Do you honestly believe this woman is a virgin? Honestly?
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Me: But, what should I put in your.. Stocking?
Don't ask her what she wants. Take charge, be a man. Where are your balls?
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Her Sry my boobs r too small to hold cookies (I feel she's not engaging)
Me There fine! ...What would you prefer we put in...
Her Errm lol
Stop letting her decide everything. Stop giving her all the power and choices .
Hunter, I just learned more from you than I hv from any pickup video. That helped me so much. You explained to me how to be aggressive. TELL her what I'm going to do, don't ASK. But usually when I do that it would come off creepy. Maybe I should say, "I know exactly, what I'm going to put in your stocking?" Lol what's a good example.

I don't mean to drag this post on, but I hv to tell you all something. I realized a lot. That I should literally man up. Today she told me she had to cancel our meeting, I told her, "Im going to be in the area anyway, I just want to talk to you for 10 minutes." "I hv to get going myself, I'm going to be 10 mind away from you, I can't stay long." She's like, "I hv a soar throat, I'm going straight to bed when I'm home, I'll spend more time with you next sat." Me: "Idk, if I'll be free then." Her: "You know you will lol" me: "Look, I'm going to be there anyway I just want to see you for 5 minutes don't make me mad lol (jokingly)" She's said what time can u see me? I said, what time are you free?.. 5-6 is good." Her, "Ok txt me when ur free" me: No, you txt me when your free and I'll let you know if in free"

I may hv said, is it too much for me to see you, I won't stay long I promised... So I forced the issue, I tried to take control a bit I hope I didn't come off as needy...

INPORTANT: I realized this, me being overly emotional and struggling with depression (which makes u not be able to focus) I may hv over exaggerated things, maybe I'm more of the problem then her. I feel bad, she's sick and I'm making her see me so I can tell her, I can't see her anymore. It seems harsh. Maybe I should tell her that we should just be friends and that I can't be in a relationship with her..

My point is this: maybe I'm the problem, I lost all of my power in the relationship, she's mostly a normal girl, maybe I'm the one that messed up. Maybe I'm paranoid of her talking to other guys, which she may be doing, like slightly flirting. I doubt her record is clean. Yet, even tho I'm the issue. I don't feel that I can trust her. I hope you guys understand me. Having said that, do I still call things off? I'm going to see her in a few hours.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:11 pm 
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One of the main reasons why you are failing so badly is because you are so unsure of yourself, you doubt yourself and you keep apologising.

STOP APOLOGISING. REAL MEN TAKE WHAT THEY WANT IN LIFE. LOSERS GROVEL AND SAY SORRY AND SUCK UP TO PEOPLE TO GET THROUGH LIFE. DON'T BE A LOSER.


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One of the main reasons why you are failing so badly is because you are so unsure of yourself, you doubt yourself and you keep apologising.

STOP APOLOGISING. REAL MEN TAKE WHAT THEY WANT IN LIFE. LOSERS GROVEL AND SAY SORRY AND SUCK UP TO PEOPLE TO GET THROUGH LIFE. DON'T BE A LOSER.
I understand. I'm guessing that means I should follow thru with friend zoning her....
Did I DLV in the phone convo? I'm just trying to gain perspective/outlook on everything.. I don't think I did that bad lol.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:42 am 
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Hunter and Xoved, I went thru with it... I'm surprised at what happen. I'll explain.

She txt'ed me that morning saying, she couldn't see me cause she was sick, I called her, she couldn't answer cause she had training. She calls me back when she's in lunch, I tell her I'm gonna' be in her area anyway and I just want to talk with her for 10 minutes, she agrees.

I go to Ny, she txts me when to come over, it's 5:00. She comes in my car upset because she argued with her parents and fought with them. She slept in class and her parents called her and she didn't answer. So, I tell her, you need to relax, your too upset. So, I start joking with her a bit to relieve her stress... Cause I know what's coming next. She didn't want to leave her house but I told her I'm going down the street and just wanted to get away from her family. I park the car, down the street, asking her if she wants to eat she said no, but at the same time she had hunger pains. I then told her, lets go in the back of my car I need to talk, she thought I meant to fool around. I said, I didn't come all this way for Sex haha. I promise, and she came back.... Here's where it started.

I told her this, "I've been feeling this instinct lately but I didn't pay attention to it, I ignored it, but recently I thought more about it. I went on Okc, to see who's new on there and See you on, so I said, Oh look there she is! Then I realized, wait? She still uses this? Why would she be talking to other guys?" "What am i suppose to think? Shes on there talking to girls lol." She sorta became defesive. I was on there just to check messages, and tell them I'm seeing someone. Would u like to log in my profile, " I said, "How do you expect me to believe that? I don't trust girls easily, it's earned." She explained, "1. We're not official, so that's my privacy. 2. You should trust me etc.. I sent all those other guys packing. I haven't dated other guys." I said, "Yes, but you flirt with them" she jokingly said, "I flirt with everyone lol." "Im not talking to other guys." I said. where is our relationship going? You want to play games with me, and you hv commitment issues. What am I suppose to do? Say ok, I should fall in love with this girl? I'd be stupid to do that." Eventually, I realized I might hv been wrong, (I could tell by her body lang) she seemed to really care for me and honestly wasnt seeing other guys or dating them. I thought I made a mistake.

She brung up our different cultures and religions and how her family would abandone her if she ever married me. And she's like maybe we should stop seeing each other. I said, "I don't want to do this, but I have too, it's time for me to go, I can't see you anymore." We both started crying. She didn't want to leave me, she said, were both crying for each other, we shouldn't break up. Your the first guy, I actually cried over. I invested in you."

I DLV'ed her, I started weeping more than her, my voice got soft.. It got weak. She got angry with me and wouldn't let me touch her, I said I understand. You hv that right. Hit me scream at me, do what you want. She slapped me. I said, is that the best you got? So she slapped me as hard as she could. I didn't say a word. She then went into different modes, denial, anger, affection, than anger. I cried more, I tried to control it the best I could. She said, "I didn't think I'd lose you, I wasn't in love with you but I loved you." I said, "I hv to, cause of your commitment issues. What?! You think I'm crying for myself?? I care about you. I said, maybe we can work it out. We're both new to LTR we just hv issues all that matters is if you still want to see me. Look at me, do you still want to see me?" Her: "I don't know.. Not anymore ." I said, "ok at least your honest. If you don't want to you'll never hv to see me again."

We took a break from talking, I went and got her food, (she gave me 3$ she had to get her something). We talked more again. I said, weeping, "I tried not to fall in love with you, I thought if I did and you'd leave me, I'd kill myself" I didn't mean that literally. "she said, that means your weak. I said, I'm a lot of things but I'm not weak, if loving someone is bad than fine, I'm evil. I said, The more I seen you the more I had to pull back, I hv a calluses heart, I've been told by girls 'I love you' 'I care for you' so much I can't tell the difference. I'm confused." She said, "look give me a label, what are we?" I waivered I didn't want to break up with her. I said, lets just be friends. She said, you think you can still be around me and not care for me? I said no..

She eventually said, look since your not taking control of things I will, she went on, I interrupted her and spoke louder. She said, your free from me." I said Free? Is that how you see our relationship like a ball and chain, like it's just restrictive?" she said, she didn't mean it that way... I tried to DHV, I said, girls hv thrown themselves at me, literally screaming for me to talk to them but all I could think if was you (she smiled) do you know why? I said, I can't hurt her that way. 5 minutes ago 4 girls all were talking to me at a candy store, I didn't care. I was good to you and honest I hv nothing to hide." I sort if put the blame on her I guess, realizing its not my fault. I said, I'm not perfect though, after talking with you I realized I hv intimacy issues. I don't let ppl in cause I'm afraid they'll hurt me.

We realized we both stay away from our family's in our room and when it came time to letting ppl in our works we couldn't.

Eventually this happen, I gained control and said something smart. I said, "I hv to reserve my feeling for you, I can't continue to see you if you hv commitment issues." She's like, can we be friends with benefits lol. I joked and said sure lol. I know you want to make up for lost time and start meeting a lot if guys to gain experiences. I said, until you take care if this issue I can't see you. Lets take a break, we'll be friends if I'm in the area we'll hang out if we're free whatever, I'll give you time to get these desires out if your system. I'm not giving you an ultimatum, take as much time as you need. I'll call you one day and see how you feel. If you are still the same way, I'll know what I hv to do." But keep in mind, I'm not going to look at a clock waiting for you to change, what were the things I said to you at the park?" Her: Your time is not to be wasted, And your nobody's fool" me: exactly.

I than DLV'ed again by bringing up religion (but apologizing cause it had no place in the convo) and how breaking up with someone you love is worster pain than the muscle disease I hv. Stupid I know.


I'm immune to beautiful woman, it's nothing for me, I've seen them so much idc anymore. She said. You hv to fix me. I said, that's not my job, your not my Gf (I gained a bit of power) you hv to fix yourself. She said that's just the way I am, but I hv to do this.but how?" I said, go and see other ppl, so them so much that you'll be bored of it. We can still be friend and we both said its possible that we wouldn't want to see each other any more or that she can say she's done with all that and she wants to see me."
I hope you get the picture.

And we can be FwB till then. At one point she's like, I just want to see you, forget those guys. But eventually said THIS: "As much as I hate to admit it... Your right. Because of my issues, I'd probably leave you (I told her I was afraid she leave me. Just mentioning that) and get bored. So it's best were friends for now. She was mature and admited I'm right and eventually she's her bored and move on. I said, that don't fly with me. Do you know how many girls would like to be in your place? And we be shocked I considered settling down. She said, "I know, I'm lucky to hv you."

To shorten things, she really did care for me, wasnt dating other guys (but desired to) and could t believe she lost me. She still gave IOI's, stroking my hair, gazing at me, touching my face. She made me promise that I'd still see her again and not lie and that we both can txt each other and call each other. I made sure she understood before she left. We even kissed a bit here and there but I kissed her and pulled away and left. So I feel I did the right thing, I can still be friends with her and in time see if she still cares for me and once she tries to get all if tay out of her system I'll ask her where she's at and we'll either continue, part or be friends. I cried a lot cause I told her I had to detach myself from her and that this happen before with another girl I wanted to marry so I couldn't let girls in since then.

I sort of DHV'ed and DLV'ed too, give me the benefit of the doubt, I didn't do as bad as you guys might think, I'm just fast to admit my faults, I said some good things to and was logical I didn't say too many stupid things. But she said she still cares for me and she held me telling me she didn't want me to leave. It started to snow, we both took it as a good sign and we left. Only time will tell. I'll find out if her feeling were real. I feel content with how it went and positive abt it. I said its part of being a man, taking responsibility snd doing something i HV TO but dont WANT TO. On the good side I could see other girls.

Important: how do you guys think I did? It was hard to control my emotions, I did the best I could and I feel I took a step further to being a man. But I rather hear your guys opinion. Thanks to all of you who cared enough to comment. If you hv any questions just ask.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:32 am 
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Instead of fucking her you cried? I'm confused... So the problem was a girl you were dating(not in a rs with) said you have to be aggressive to sleep with her, and she was on a dating site and flirted with guys, but instead of sleeping with her you went afc on her? Was she your gf?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:51 pm 
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Neo,

No.. I couldn't be in a relationship with her cause of her commitment issues. I couldn't go any further. I didn't want to but had to trust my instincts. She said, I was right. She seen a relationship as a restriction. She wanted to see what she's missing out on. I told her I'll give her time to see what she's missing out on.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:31 pm 
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If you're not in a relationship and haven't slept with her, most girls will keep their options open. Not to sound mean but if this girl isn't crazy she will move on. You cried for her, have depression, was in love with her without even sleeping with her, gave her speeches, have a muscular disease thing...Damn...can you blame her for looking out for better? And that's not to bash you....you shouldn't have shared that stuff with her. The only way you could have built something to make her forget about other guys would be if you sexed her good and gave her fun. Doesn't sound like her need for enjoyment, sex or a masculine energy were met while you dated. Seriously? Talking about marriage with a girl who's not your gf for a while..WHO YOU HAVEN'T SLEPT WITH? You're lucky she didn't stop talking to you a long time ago instead of just flirting with guys.

Trust me, ANY girl you meet online...who you don't sleep with and who you fall for like this is not going to respect you and is going to hope a better guy comes along. You sound like a nice guy...but DAMN...


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:39 pm 
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Dude if you learn only one lesson from this let it be this: Never ever ask a girl to be your girlfriend before you have had sex with her, even if she suggests it. You're not 14 years old. Adults who are in 18+ relationships, should be having sex. It's healthy and normal.

Sex = Relationship, good or bad. Without it, you are just good friends. An abusive guy who manipulates a girl and emotionally abuses her, but fucks her good, is still more useful to her than a good guy with no sex drive / afraid to pull the trigger.

Crying is obviously not good. Google "When is it ok for a man to cry?" you will find it is limited to death of a loved one, death of a pet etc. I think you have some inner demons you need to conquer. Women won't heal your deeply rooted psychology issues. But they should be a welcome distraction.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:20 pm 
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I understand guys. The relationship issues worsened my depression. Your right neo, I shouldn't bring it up. You don't go through what I went through and come out 100%...

She didn't see any other guys while she was with me: however I knew the desire she had was there. I guess because she's inexperienced with guys is why she liked me so much. I understand, I cried too much, I felt terrible... I couldn't control it. I'm upset with myself. I wasn't in love with her, just falling for her. I understand the whole sex thing: I also stimulated her vagina really good as well... At one point I teased her and stopped cause she did it to me. I joked and said, we're even. She just had commitment issues, it wasnt cause of me personally neo. Yes, I need work on being more masculine, but I stopped seeing her cause I told her in fhe future it wouldn't last. She stopped seeing other guys for me... I mentioned that in the post.

All I was concerned with is if I DHV'ed or DLV'ed.
Like, I don't hv the mindset of a man. You sort of hv that mindset neo: what did you mean by "the relationship missed enjoyment or masculine energy." She did say I gave her the best date, she's ever had. But I don't feel I hv masculine energy: can you define that.

I'm unemployed, don't hv a car or apartment so maybe I hv no confidence or nothing to pride myself on. You sort of hv the attitude I want....

Hunter, I learned a lot. Next time, I'll know my mistake, this is the first time I've ever had to do something like this so of course I'll mess up. I hv low self-esteem so I feel my manhood was knocked a bit... I feel pathetic......
I guess, I just want someone to tell me I did a good job or I did the best I could, so I could feel better about myself....

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Yes exactly, you had to do it to learn from it. I went through a very similar scenario in my early days.

You need to hear this though;

All this massive long stories, reading everything she said, the simple answer is this;

She was so into you, but just wanted you to be a MAN.

Don't think I'm trivialising what was written by giving such a simple answer. I read every - single - word.

The subtext is simply this - she really likes you, but just wanted you to be more of a MAN. Seems too simple? Don't worry - the solution is complex enough :)

Well the solution is simply stated - you have to practice being a man any chance you get. But this will of course will be a challenge to you - all improvement is a challenge. But here's how you do it; Choose some role models, watch videos, they can even be characters off movies if the writing is good enough, Jack Sparrow is one of my favs as you can probably tell, hahah. Watch how they handle situations, and think about what kind of mindset would be needed to react like that in that situation, and practice it every chance you get. And don't just have one guy to model, research as many as you can. Because you want to make your own way, not just emulate one person. Everything from rock solid brave no nonsense Daniel Craig "James Bond", to off-beat and aloof Jack Sparrow. There are so many ways to be confident, and to be a man.

The other thing you need to hear is - because of where she's at, she wants to explore and be flirty. She probably won't be happy unless she's allowed to do this. You'd probably have to be ok with a certain amount of that. You could help her out (and yourself :) ) by encouraging her to pursue other women ;) then you both win, hahah.

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I recommend you put this aside as a learning experience

Why you weren't a man:
- you cried (don't ever do it again, unless it's for some real shit)
- you acted indecisive. you couldn't just tell her that you can't do this anymore. you are still keeping her as a friend, you go back and forth about what you want constantly. I bet if she called you now that she loves you and she will change you would go with it. If you make up your mind about something, stick to it.
- you weren't sexually aggressive. I understand she is a virgin, dunno about you. When you sexually escalate ignore everything what a girl says. Go for what you want. If she really doesn't want to play along you will know. Hell she told you she was expecting you to rape her pretty much :)
- do not have the let's be boyfriend girlfriend talk before you had sex. Even then let the girl bring up the "what are we" topic. Concentrate on fun things and sex, nothing else.
- I can also tell you this girl had no commitment issues. You were nothing. Not even official. Until you had sex many times and decided to be exclusive she can go and see whoever she wants. AND YOU CAN TOO.
- work on yourself. This is probably the most important thing you need to do. I recommend you hit the gym mate. Look up topics here which is about maximising looks.

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Conked and AFC, thank you both for your responses and for being so gentle with me. I've learned quite a lot from all of you, and next time I'll be beyond prepared.

Conked, what do you mean by, "She wanted me to be more of a man?" she tested me quite a bit and I guess I cracked. What do you mean by that statemen: please define it...

You see, my Dad was never there for me so I don't hv a male role model in my life. So I hv go make one up like you said. Lately, I've been wollowing in the pain, loss of appetite, etc. I realized now what I should hv done. Been firm about my choice, stay calm, in control and reassure here that we'll get through it and everything will be ok. And maybe explain some intimate details but definitely not cry.. Or panic under pressure. I've learned. I think I explained it perfectly.

IMPORTANT: In light of all this, where do I take it now? I haven't contacted her since last Sat. I figured I should give her time to heal?? Should I txt her next week if so saying what? And when would it be ok to hang out?? Do I show her I hv woman in my life by uploading pics of me with girls on my FB? Please explain my next move in detail.

Thank you all for helping me get through this.

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