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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:34 pm 
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This is what is called common sense. I think approaching a girl without some kind of positive sign from her is quite ineffective and will just get you confused about what you did wrong.
Common sense isn't common my brotha. I disagree with that statement though, although I do agree that cold approaching without AI's can mindfuck a guy that's new to the game and get him thinking he made some kind of mistake when the actual truth is the set just didn't hook, period.

You can get great results without AI's as well and it can be an extremely effective way of doing things in it's own right. You can hook a target just as well with a cold approach without AI's.....your just going to see a larger spectrum of responses compared to only opening girls that give you an AI. I personally have no issues with a rejection so I guess it depends on how bad you want to "shield your ego". I don't think there's anything wrong with only going for the ones that show you a sign beforehand, but it's not the only way to do things.


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Daygame wise I pretty much only approach cuties who give me good eye contact.
That's the most intelligent way to approach if your a guy who is "results" oriented per se......your going to see your highest rate of conversion doing things this way, hands down (I don't like that term at all, makes it sound like your selling insurance policies or something but for lack of a better term). There really isn't a better way to select who to approach if your just looking for a cute girl to spend some time with.......at least that I'm aware of.

Not just eye contact either, any type of approach invitation......girls playing with their hair and biting their lip while speaking to you, leaning over so you can see some cleavage, hovering around your general vicinity.....there's a lot of ways they can give you an AI
This is what is called common sense. I think approaching a girl without some kind of positive sign from her is quite ineffective and will just get you confused about what you did wrong.
Its not that its ineffective its just not very efficient.

Approaching women who give you an AI is the most efficient way.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:33 pm 
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The Fury, most of my daygame interactions last around five minutes and most of my numbers end up in lays. Longer time talking doesn't always men quality time talking.

Daygame wise I pretty much only approach cuties who give me good eye contact. From there im pretty overtly sexual and heavy with the flirting so any girl not really interested "rejects" me really soon after the approach. Then after a few minutes I pitch an idea for a meet such as "we'll have to get together sometime this week" and if she gives any excuses or seems likes shes not genuinely interested when I say that I don't even bother taking her number.

Because of those three things my interactions are short, sweet, and effective. I rarely deal with flakes becaus eim screening out most of the flaky girls by doing the above.
I mean, I guess if you only #close the girls who are obviously super into you right off the bat then you can have a high percentage, but then your set of potential women is much lower and you are being rejected or ejecting from the majority of daygame sets. In other words, you can't avoid the percentages, either your percentage of #closes are low but they are quality #closes or your percentage of #closes/approach are high and they are mostly worthless #s. It's one or the other, unless you are Ryan Gosling (both looks and fame)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:28 pm 
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I historically found daygame tends to result in stickier leads. Maybe it's just my style.

Though I've gotten stickier leads in nightgame now as well, so it probably is.

Competition is lower during day game. I don't know that I've ever gone straight from open to f close from a daygame interaction.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:58 pm 
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The only thing that I learned throughout my life is you either f-close the girl or handle being rejected over and over again. If you can close, close. Yes, numbers are amazing, and I like texting tons of girls, it makes me feel superior and confident, but not all the time.

What I'm saying is...Why collect numbers, convert them into dates and get laid when you can DIRECTLY get laid?
You're just putting more pressure on yourself to commit to a girl for a specific period of time until you get laid.

A girl responds well? Flirt, escalate, and f-close her the same day. If not, the next. A maximum of 3 days and then if nothing works, just next her and move on to other girls. That's just my opinion though, and it's working wonders for me.

I have tons of numbers, any one flake and I just next (except there's a girl on my mind which is another long story).


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:21 am 
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I have been out w a few guys running day game who have taken the courses from prominent guys on this forum and while their game could improve, my general observation is that they have about the same sucess rate as picking up a phone book and cold calling.

For every 10 approaches they get maybe 6 numbers, 4 flake - 2 end upon dates and best case 1 lay... Best case... After seeing day game and giving it a try I realize that it is terrible. Much better to focus on sold night game. While I am far from a pua, I can say that for every 10 approaches if I wanted I could get 7-8 numbers, 3 would flake and the rest would be solid shot at f- close.

Day game might work for some but I think way better use of time to work on solid night game... My humble opinion


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I have been out w a few guys running day game who have taken the courses from prominent guys on this forum and while their game could improve, my general observation is that they have about the same sucess rate as picking up a phone book and cold calling.

For every 10 approaches they get maybe 6 numbers, 4 flake - 2 end upon dates and best case 1 lay... Best case... After seeing day game and giving it a try I realize that it is terrible. Much better to focus on sold night game. While I am far from a pua, I can say that for every 10 approaches if I wanted I could get 7-8 numbers, 3 would flake and the rest would be solid shot at f- close.

Day game might work for some but I think way better use of time to work on solid night game... My humble opinion
Yes, this is more or less true because it's just not an environment where women are in a sexual mood.However, cold approaches in general are very low percentage. You will find that the truly "great" pick-up guys and naturals know WHO to approach, not just HOW.

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I have been out w a few guys running day game who have taken the courses from prominent guys on this forum and while their game could improve, my general observation is that they have about the same sucess rate as picking up a phone book and cold calling.

For every 10 approaches they get maybe 6 numbers, 4 flake - 2 end upon dates and best case 1 lay... Best case... After seeing day game and giving it a try I realize that it is terrible. Much better to focus on sold night game. While I am far from a pua, I can say that for every 10 approaches if I wanted I could get 7-8 numbers, 3 would flake and the rest would be solid shot at f- close.

Day game might work for some but I think way better use of time to work on solid night game... My humble opinion
This is probabbly due the fact that they just know how to approach woman and open her and then play a nrs game like you say. And they dont try to LEARN.
They don't try to focus on one thing, and get that right first and then move on to the next part of the interaction.

If you'd watch Yad from daygame.com. He says he got a few steps that all happens in the interaction. And you can only improve on your approaches if you analyze each step and see what you did wrong and then focus on that and imrpove that little part.

else all you will do is just approach more and more woman but not improve your GAME


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TLDR but day game is awesome. Highest ratio of day 2's and way more attractive girls than at the bars/clubs (although not always). Day game is the secret to life man!

Anyone who says day game is not better than night game is fucking ignorant of experience. No obstacles, no fat friends, no distractions, no bitch shields, no talking to ugly friends, no anti-slut defenses, no buyer's remorse.. the list goes on.


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