Help!!

I have been in the pick up game less than a year and I am a natural extrovert so it was easy for me to apply these principles to dating and picking up women. I open very well, DHV very well, neg, engage the group with storytelling, and even bounce the group to another venue and then isolate the HB...
BUT!!!
I always get friend zoned!
Girls are comfortable around me...so comfortable in fact that I no longer serve as a potential suitor but more of a friend type. I tested this greatly and would attempt to kino escalate and would always get either "I think you'd be a better friend, your such a nice/fun guy, I love you etc..." Or I get " you've got all these ladies around you, I think you just run this game on all of them".

My phone is overflowing with numbers from girls asking, where is the party? Come to this place with us! Do this, do that!

It's very aggravating...can any of you experience PUA's help out in any way? Private messages and post replies are welcome and appreciated!!

Here are some common problems that you might find yourself encountering Alexandermmxiii:

-You're not establishing yourself in a dominant frame. Women may see you as more of a jester than they do a leader.
-You're not flirting and building rapport. The key here is (a) touch your flirtatiously (shoulder, waist, face) so she knows your interested and (b) find common points of interest.
-You might just be an unattractive dude. Work out more, get a haircut, buy a new outfit, eat better.
-It's likely that they're shit testing you and that you're failing at it miserably. You just need to think of (or memorize) something witty or off the cuff to respond with if you're getting shit tested on all the same things, or just say don't respond at all. (Do a google search for common shit tests).

For everyone else on this forum: these women are obviously seeing the original poster (Alexandermmxiii) more as the Charon the ferryman into hell instead of as King Satan. Despite his extraversion he's botching his own high energy game, coming off what's like a demanding child who happens to know a lot of people.

Alexandermmxiii is falling into a common beta trap. To put it differently, despite the lack of details we can infer that he's not indicating his sexual interest only up until the very end of the interaction, which comes off as creepy and lecherous. No woman will could ever respect a man like that. From my experience, women want to fuck men who are going to be cool about the whole ordeal. From first meeting to seduction to the sexual act itself.

Luckily he came to the right place. Take my comments into consideration and go back to the drawing board and get your game on lock.

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My observation from the information I have about you:

I feel that maybe you are so good at playing the game, that you forget what you're playing it for. I think it is a mixture of arrogance and power that you are protraying. And although you are cool to be around in a group setting and the party is always fun with you, they don't think they could ever relate to you on a personal and intimate level.

How well do you relate with co-workers, male friends, and siblings? Do they try to spend time with you and invite you to hang out? I ask this because just like a major introvert is unlikely to have a group of friends due to being incapable of connection, a major etrovert often times doesn't as well because they are hard to be around.

My 2 C.

Peace...

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Thank you guys!

I definitely need to portray an alpha male persona more often, I was out with a PUA friend of mine and he is far more experienced than I and applauded me on my ability to open and engage the group but said that I " put all my cards on the table"

I need to make the girl WANT to know more as opposed to telling her more..He said if I can fix this then i will be well on my way to being a great PUA but I simply don't know how to do this

Be a little more ambiguous, that will make them ask questions. Or at a climax of one of your stories pause ..... and drop something "I don't think you need to know the rest...." WHAT! What about the closure! Now they are at your mercy.

Al