Again, the message is:

1. Don't whine.
2. Don't complain.
3. Don't moan.
4. Don't blame others.
5. Don't unload your responsibility on others.

These are simple, tangible, easy to follow, lowest fruit on the tree steps to take. In fact, these are non-step steps. The idea is to do NOTHING first. If you can't even keep yourself from screwing yourself over socially, then how the hell do you expect to move on to 'improving' your abilities? Some of you have moved ahead of the program. "OK, but telling me to be confident won't make me confident?!?!" - yes, and there are 1,000's pages of journals, threads, discussions, and arguments to support this reality. Forget all of that. First do nothing. First, shut your mouth with your whining, complaining, moaning, and blaming others. Just stop. These habit won't help you get anywhere. You can try out the whole confident, gamer, cool guy program bootcamps all you want. If you cannot stop yourself from screaming at the top of your lungs, "I am a whiny little asshole," to the World, you'll continue to be strokin' it at home. If you feel the habit surfacing... and even if you begin to do it for a minute, it's never too late. Just shut up and stop.

Still fascinated by continued push back on the very first steps to not only becoming a man/pu guy, but becoming a human being.

This is the disconnect. YOU whine, complain, and bitch. So you finally put it into words. These habits have become such a part of your life that you assume that everybody else does it. No... no, WE do not whine, complain, and bitch. YOU complain, whine, and bitch. This is why the people around you treat you the way they do.

^This message is not for you... because your push back and egotistical support for this horrible asshole behavior is so profound, that you will die thinking that the World around you is crazy. You'll die thinking that everybody treated you like an asshole because "they didn't get it" or because they are "mean spirited". There is nothing you can gain from this thread.

Guys... some of you aren't so far from ^this deep end. First begin with stop. Stop the idiocy. Stop the self hatred. Stop the self sabotage. When you can achieve this silence... you'll know it's time to move on.
This message is for you: You seem pretty focused with this. I am better than you. You are better than me. What makes me better than you. What makes you better than me. You are better, I am better... Do you realize that this is an anonymous forum and nobody else but YOU are focused on a totem pole rankings of the anonymous?

I'm open to your advice.

If so,

1. Stop complaining.
2. Stop whining.
3. Stop bitching.
4. Stop the very girly-like internet tantrum.
5. Stop the self sabotage.

Try it for a month. Forget pick up. Forget business. Forget social life. Forget the pick up forum totem pole rankings. This is not advice for you to "stay as you are" as you've imagined. The idea is to improve YOU from being an unlikable, female repelling, complaining, whining, bitchy asshole to a ZERO. Get there first. It's your choice.

And if you choose not to... I get it. You like to complain. You like to bitch and whine. You seem to have even romanticized these habits. I get it. It's just the people (women included) are not particularly attracted to these traits. Good luck with your endeavors.

It's okay to complain. to moan. Everyone does it, but strike for balance. But then again don't sweat it. Focus on fun.

Long post intermission:

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It's okay... if you have a vagina. MEN don't bitch. Men don't complain or say something is too difficult. Men don't whine when people are mean to them.

"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." -Michael Jordan

I think OP meant exactly this kind of attitude. Let's put everything in sugar coating right ? It doesn't change the truth. I think generally people should not personally anything and should also not get hurt by anything they read on an internet forum.

OP tells it for what it is. And it really isn't offensive to anybody. However I wouldn't care if he is swearing at me or belittling me. It's the way things are and one should concentrate on the message behind what he is saying not the way it's presented.

Men don't make threads like this. Just saying.

This is an important contribution:
^Look folks. Habitual complainer and whiner. You've done this so much all your life you do not realize how much of an asshole you are.

The problem with whiny little bitches is that everything in the World feels like an insult to them... so they complain, whine, and do a whole lot of blaming others. And yep, since they must adhere to their principles for civility, they sugar coat their rants with words that seem productive, constructive, and supportive. Hey Cloud7, ever wonder why the men around you treat you like an asshole? It's because you are one. Ever wonder why you repel women? Because you are a whiny little bitch. So there is in fact a circular pattern to this madness. You do your act because you get treated like an asshole and others treat you like an asshole because you do your act... and it never ends. The kicker is that your solution in real life is most likely what you are doing here. You are asking others to stop their cycle. This is like asking others to stop pinching their nose after you fart in their face. It's like asking them stop calling you a circus geek while you are on standing on a circus stage, biting off a chicken's head; this is idiocy.

What point are you referring to? What is the concept that you agree with? What the fuck are you ranting about? Do you really need to learn "HOW" to stop complaining? Do you need a strategy for this? Must you create a journal to remind yourself at each 12pm, "Don't complain at lunch time" simply to stop complaining?

How much clearer do you want it? This isn't some cryptic message nor does it take any particular talent:

1. Don't whine.
2. Don't complain.
3. Don't moan.
4. Don't bitch.
5. Don't make excuses.

And to highlight hostility vs. constructive criticism and recommendation... What I wrote, "YOU are an asshole" = hostility. What the OP wrote, "Men these days..." = is a criticism of a vague group.