I as ready to go on about how you were definitely friendzoned and CharlesFinney was wrong, but good thing you kept at it because he turned out to be precisely right.

HOWEVER:

Just to warn some of you, you CAN be in this exact same situation and have the girl like you as nothing more than a friend. You can hold hands, cuddle, walk around with her in your arms all day, etc. and do all this fr many months and still be in the frendzone. This happened to me. So, often times, you never know. This is what makes this entire thing so confusing.
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Well, this thread gives me hope. But I pretty much have a girl right now so I'm not out "gaming" folks too much anymore.

And if the girl discussed in this thread was interested, then my girl must, without any doubt in the world, be truly invested and interested in me because the IOI's I got from my confusing girl were way more clearer (even despite the cultural differences). I assume kiss closing a girl who once thought American's hugging each other was a big deal and having her (finally) invite me into her house for three nights in a row means she must at least be interested at SOME level......

...And yes, my girl gave a lot of mixed IOI's for many months, but once she realized I was genuinely interested in her, she opened up BIG time. I had to tone down some of my "act like you're not interested in any particular girl" PUA actions to completely attract her. However, it was certain PUA actions I displayed that got her interested in the first place.

Lastly, in case anyone is wondering, what I started doing now that she and I are past the "meeting" phase and are obviously at the doorstep of the "lets make things official" stage, was start focusing more on getting to know her for who she is - but WITHOUT changing anything I did to attract her in the first place. Many people don't know what to do after a certain point since PUA focuses mainly on meeting and quick lays. I don't know how I did it, but I got pretty far with her, even despite doing some wrong things, like telling her how I felt.

Hi all,


This is very common, most of we beta guys ends up in same situation,well I am not an expert in game but I would like to say something


1:Never never show interest physical/emotional in a convo just talk and kino so how to show that I am interested like a lover,well what I used to do is to just look at her with poker face and when she comes near talk to you ....you talk but nothing about love/relationship just small talk at start.

2:Don't try to be funny just be cocky( I don't know but there is a difference between being funny and being cocky)for example : """I know that your cousin is in USA and thats why you want to settle down in USA because you LOVE/Miss your cousin"""

3:Play like at the end she wants you and your attention.(This is a key point but I don't know how to prove or explain this )

Best,
cooltoad

So to convey your interest you just makes eye contact ....and also give her space so she will crave for your attention

She just invited me to hang out with her friends after work today. She's definately into. But now it's push and pull time. Have to draw away some attention and give her some to heat things up alittle.

I did some cheekiness by telling her I need help with my blanket. And she replied. I can't stay over at friend's place. Moreover you're a guy. How I replied was to to completely ignore it. What I could have done was to say.. "woah, who was talking about staying over? I'm not ready to get that physical yet. "

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She just invited me to hang out with her friends after work today. She's definately into. But now it's push and pull time. Have to draw away some attention and give her some to heat things up alittle.

I did some cheekiness by telling her I need help with my blanket. And she replied. I can't stay over at friend's place. Moreover you're a guy. How I replied was to to completely ignore it. What I could have done was to say.. "woah, who was talking about staying over? I'm not ready to get that physical yet. "

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"Dude she has a boyfriend"
" Yeah so?...Soccer has a goalie, doesn't mean you can't score."

A sort of cool alternative to using that "slow down and let's not get physical" line is to say (deadpan) something like:

"well, I guess you can stay with me, but i'm just telling you right now nothing's going to happen"...

If she actually goes for it and you two are planning a slumber party, maintain that frame the entire night while you're out... Flirting with her like a prostitute with heavy kino... Get her heated up and wanting more...

In a little setback here. So wewere talking abit and I told her about pick up and stuff. And she wss taken aback about it. Then I explained everything to her. She's not from a very open minded family and thus it was something very strange to her.

Then she asked me a question which msde everything turn south. She asked me if I had slept woth anyone before.

So I came clean and said, yeah. My ex gf. And that was where everything crashed. She couldn't accept that I have slept with another girl before and now we're not talking because of this.

I mean it's kinda unfair for me. Is thrre a wah I can turn this around?

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"Dude she has a boyfriend"
" Yeah so?...Soccer has a goalie, doesn't mean you can't score."