Philosophically speaking, There is no need to prove you wrong, as you cannot prove yourself right.

Example: The best way to catch a unicorn is with an invisible rope. Prove me wrong.

Technically speaking, one failed experiment with your "method" would prove it wrong. That's according to Einstein.

I'm just guessing that you weren't on the debate team.....

You can't prove me wrong, but you're going to tell me I'm wrong. Logical....
but Everything I say, I've seen it work.

Ok, so I haven't been on here much recently and haven't seen much of this guys posts. I haven't seen him spamming, simply because I haven't regularly been checking forums, and so I'll try and give a response to his post at face value.

To be fair, the advice here could possibly get you a relationship, IF the girl is amssively attracted to you in the first place. If you've got a girl who is crushing bad on you, then acting as Return of the Dream says in his first post is probably going to get you into a long term relationship with her.

However, in terms of pick up, it's not great advice. In terms of getting into a relationship, it's not the best advice - it might still work on th eterms I've mentioned above, but it's not going to be the most efficient way to get into a relationship and arguably fucking the girl first and slowly going into relaitonship mode will result in a stronger relationship than will doingthis sort of stuff first.

I would agree that not every guy is ready to be the stand out guy to be fair. I myself am not the standout guy in the same way that many posters on here are. I've got an average body, I'm not particularly funny, I'm not massively energetic and don't run the party. Yet there is a difference between being a stand out guy and being "alpha" - there is a difference between being the stand out guy and being entirely comfortable with who you are. I've got a great life. I've got a great group of friends, I do activities which I enjoy, I work and study at things I enjoy and am already moderately successful at a local level in certain aspects of my chosen career. Very little shakes me, I can talk to anyone about anything, I do what I want when I want, I wouldn't say I was necessary a leader but I'm certainly not a follower-sheep, and I have fun in my own way, even if that's not running the party, like I mentioned. I have perfectly good success with women because of my self confidence and the comfort I have with myself.

So your points;

1) Your advice here is slightly confused. On the one hand you say make this deep connection, and on the other you say stay mysterious. You say you don't know someone if you don't know how they feel, so if you're staying mysterious and not talking about yourself, how does the girl know you, how does she make that connection with you? Look, making a connection is about far more than listening to a girl talk about her dreams, aspirations and worries. I've got a great connection with my best mate yet we have probably only had two "serious" chats about stuff like that in about 20 years of knowing each other. I've had great connections with girls who I've dated for weeks and at the end of it I could tell you their name, maybe where they lived, and maybe one or two other things but that's about it!

A connection is about people "clicking". You don't need deep stuff about dreams for the future to make a connection. In fact, in one night stand type situations, this is going to be far too strong and probably scare off more girls than it will get you. If you're looking for a relationship, the deeper stuff can - and should, eventually - come, but at first it's more likely to scare girls off. If I had only known a girl for a few days and she was asking me about my dreams for the future and that sort of stuff, I'd think she was either far too keen or she was lacking in the social skills to have a lighthearted conversation.

2) Again, completely irrelevant for 'pure' pick up. If you're looking to meet girls and fuck them in a short time frame, common interests aren't particularly necessary. Yeah if you can take a girl on a date to something you're both interested in then it might help, but again, it's about people clicking sexually rather than having the same interest, for picking up and one night stand type stuff.

In terms of relationships and more serious stuff, common interests are of course important. Why would you date someone who you had nothing in common with? But this is still just a very small bit. Most successful couples I know have maybe one or two activities or interests they have in common, the real relationship is built on, again, having personalities which work.

3) Short term pick up - not really relevant, as above.

Relationship pick up - maybe. But again, this is really what is going to strengthen a relationship. It's not what's going to get you into one. When you've been with a girl for a little while, of course it's great to know her weaknesses and her fears and to support each other through them. But if you're not fucking before you start getting deeply into this stuff, then you're not going to start fucking just because of this.

4) I have got no statistics to disprove this one here, no study or anything like that, but from my own personal experience of people, this is absolute rubbish. Of course, sometimes, people will have partners who are similar to their parents - people aren't really all that different, you can probably fit most people into four or five broad categories, so it's no surprise that sometimes a person will have a partner and a parent who both fall into those broad categories. But it's selective comparing. Oh your dad and your boyfriend both buy you gifts and shower you with presents etc.? Wow, you must have been looking for your dad's traits in your partner! Err, no. What about all the other differences between the two of them?

This is also something which we can argue about all day. You can probably take any two people in the entire world and find one or two characteristics which are similar and say it proves your theory. You can take the same individuals who "prove" your theory and show differences in their personalities as well. It just doesn't work.

5) Ok. Making a girl happy is fine for both. You didn't elaborate, so I won't here either, but I get the impression your idea of making a girl happy is probably quite a distance away from what I would say.

6) Yes to both short term pick up and relationships.

7) Again, contradictory. You said at the start that your advice was going to be for people who couldn't stand out. Complimenting a girl on being smart and caring etc. isn't particularly standing out and doing things differently. It's quite common.

8 ) Extremely broad, although attraction is probably the most important part on this list and it is the one bit you haven't discussed. If you have attraction already, and add all/any of those things you've mentioned above, then you can succeed with women. However, none of those things above work to get women without attraction.

General conclusion:

A lot of your advice simply isn't suitable for picking up girls in terms of short flings and one night stands. That's fine, not everyone is in it for that.

Some of your advice just isn't very good, or doesn't make sense in the context of other things you've said. Making a connection is all well and good, but your idea of making a connection is scrambled and lacking in any real advice to be honest. Find out how a girl feels? Not really advice is it. I can ask my mum if she's feeling ok, nothing sexual about that. Oh, and you are also contradictory in that point, as mentioned above.

Some of your advice is decent enough if you're already in a relationship and you're looking to strengthen it. But if you've just met a girl and are interested in trying to be in a relationship with her, you'd be far better keeping things light and playful, having fun, fucking her and letting the more serious stuff come out bit by bit, rather than trying to find out her deepest fears and stuff like that early on.

Look, light and playful is just not my style. That shit is too fake for me and I am a real ass motherfucker I can't fake. The purpose of my advice in this post is to get a girl to actually like you for a meaningful reason (like an intimate connection, you make her happy or you're different) instead liking you to satisfy her pride which being the prize encourages her to do.

The how to make a connection advice is great advice. It simple though, that's why it confuses you. You don't think something so simple can work so well. Literally all you have to do is to get a girl to relax, talk about how she feels and don't say shit about yourself then she will start feeling like she's know you for years.

1.) A connection is not about clicking or having chemistry. Its about the girl developing an intimate emotional attachment to you. You do this by getting her to talk about deeply personal experiences, but you have to get her to relax to do this.

When you let the girl talk about her feelings she develops a connection with you that she has with no other person. By letting the girl talk about how she feels and not sharing anything about yourself you play the role a therapist. She will begin to project fantasies onto you and they will last if you remain mysterious for long enough.
She will be connected to you, but you won't be connected to her. If you look at this scene I posted you will hear this girl project these fantasies onto a guy when she doesn't really know him at all.

2.) Common Interest would work perfect for holding a conversation or by going on a date. Also its a great excuse for hanging out with someone, you know to come in under the radar.

3.) From my experience, if you can help someone to overcome a fear you are invaluable. Trust me this will create a friendship almost instantly.

4.) Like I said most people won't admit this, but you develop habits and expectations from how your parents treat you. Then you keep those habits and expectations as you progress into adult life. Its just natural that you would be attracted to someone that messes with your habits and expectations. This is an age old adage, marrying someone like your mom or dad.

5.) Once again people will be drawn to you like a magnet if you can exude a positive and welcoming air. I don't mean fake smiling and all that, but to have a positive spin to have on everything.

6.) Girls hate boring.

7.) Being rare and standing out are not the same thing, because I used stand out to imply you are standing above others like the rich, like the star jock, like the smart kid. You have a talent and people see you as better than others. However, being Rare means to simply distinguish yourself from others. This could mean wearing unqiue clothes, this could mean traveling to unique places, this could mean having a unique philosophy, this means going to unique places to hang out. You're style is just different. Its like being the only comedian in the opera, or the only frenchman in china, or just the lily of the valley. There's a difference between a girl liking you because you're the best and she liking you because you're different.

Light and playful just is not my style.

In the last few months, 4 of the girls I have slept with did not even have my phone number. In 3 of those four, we were not even sure of each others names. As a matter of fact, I probably only spent 10 minutes talking specifically to them on cigarette breaks.

As for the rest of the girls, I tease and flirt and put my hands on them until they are so horny they can't stand it. It works consistently. I can honestly tell you that this works consistently and that your way is what beta beta butt pirates try to pull on girls in high school and college and either take 3 months to get pussy or get friendzoned.

How many girls have you actually had sex with employing your method? And how the FUCK do you get rid of them afterwards.....that has to be part of your advice if this is your method.

I use this method on every girl I pull. In the last 2 months a... 10, 8, and a 7.

The 10 I just asked her questions about her self at the bar. She started talking about not having a prom date when she was in hs, showing me pictures of her grand mom, and her problem drinking. She was supplicating. She asked me how we would keep in touch and then asked for my phone number. She bought me a drink. Then she left with her roomate. I texted her about hanging out she said she had a bf. 2 weeks later she texted me that she broke up with her bf then i went over to her place and fucked her. We texted back in forth every now and then.

The 8, I was walking around the club. I had on this very stylish scarf. This girl was dancing with another guy. I had eyed her a few times but I thought it was her bf. She stop dancing with him and grabbed me. We started dancing. We danced. I asked her a few questions about herself. We went back. Had sex. She told me about how she was molested by her step father, how her mom had mental health issues, and how her little sister was very rebellious. I talked on the phone with her a few more times. I made her feel good, but then we just kind of stopped texting.

The 7, I had met her 2 months earlier she just kinda kept flaking. She has kid too though so she is busy. I took her to dinner. She didn't even eat. I brought her back my place. We had wine. She told me about her mom leaving her husband to marry an old sweetheart when she was in 9thgrade so she had to move to another state and go through this traumatic experience of having no friends just because her mom missed this guy. She told me about all the issues with the father of her kids. She does not have a good job, but I encouraged her to go back to college and she's going to do it. SHe texts me, but I rarely give her much of my attention. I just try to be nice and not lead her on.

I met a 7 at a club, i asked her questions about her self. I talked to her and her roomate.. She bought me a drink. Then after the club she bought me some pancakes from ihop and paid for my taxi ride home. She hit me up the next day, but I didn't text her back.

I am currently talking to a 3 other girls on the regular. One's a stripper, one's in the army. I use the same game on them all ask them about themselves...get them to tell me how they feel about things then reveal nothing about myself. Also, 3 chicks I work with like me but I just don't want to escalate in the work place.

I am a real pleasant guy. I think I could really be a good poligamist because I am like a father figure to these women. I make them feel good about themselves and they tell me things about themselves no one else knows. They tell me things they wish they could tell their friends or parents or siblings but they dont have that type of bond. How do I break these women off. I tell them tactfully that I am not feeling the relationship, but that I still care about them and we can be friends. Truth is with what I know about them we really are friends.

The key to making the connection is getting the really personal and sometimes most hurtful events out of their mouths. At that point you have an emotional intimacy with them no one else could ever dream of. You're special.
The problem however is to avoid talking. This incredibly hard. I have ruined hook ups just by sharing my personal philosophies and feelings on things too soon. I told one girl I liked being cocky...haven't heard from her sense

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDBZH58c0do

Jesus man....a simple answer would have worked.

So, your first girl just rebounded and the second one made the approach herself.

This has nothing to do with the garbage in the op.

I will not be reading or posting in this thread again because your poor judgment and communication skills is seriously getting on my nervous system.