So been gently pursuing this hb8 really cute girl for a while now. Good chem and laughter together. We met in total three times. Got a boyfriend in another country she visits him quite often. I like this one pretty much for very specific reasons so not letting her off my radar easily.

I know she has been out of the country over the summer so I text her a few weeks ago to see if she is back and invite her to come to an event with me. I get no answer. Weeks go by. Then I get an enthusiastic message a week ago from her asking how I am doing and how about we get together over the week for hanging out time. I reply that I am super busy (DHV lie!) but can def hang out the following week. No reply back from her after my message. OK no probs.

Then a few days later I decide, fuck it, am going to call her for a quick chat and see what she is up to over the weekend. It seemed she was pleased to hear from me, we banter and joke, and she closes with something along the lines "I am happy to hear from you". She was busy with a friend girl over weekend but said she is going to look up some events for us to go to the following week and let me know. Well this "following week" has gone by and not heard from her.

I am sure she is busy doing stuff but I wondered if it would be too needy if I was the one who found an event and I contacted her.

On another note, going on a dinner date tongight with this other girl I like too and might go for my first k-closing in a million years! I am climbing back out of the darkness boys...

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Flaky and flirty and you are probably friendzoned.

Wait, let me get this straight... You've never fucked this girl right? She said shed look up events and text you, she hasn't, and you think there is a possibility it's NOT needy to look up events and follow her up on it...?

*double facepalm*

If she likes you, she will text you. If this isn't in your mindset, you ain't getting laid.

Damn you! Fine..you are right of course.


Liar!


Never fucked her..

I was just thinking maybe she didn't find anything worth going to (you'll say if she likes you it won't matter) or is too busy but if I take the initiative then she'll come out and appreciate.... yes *triplefacepalm*!

But yes I get the point. I won't get too hang up on her and won't text her. Thanks for giving me objective feedback.

I ain't getting laid? How dare you!.......because...last time I got laid was...seven years ago...yes..I just don't seem to be getting it right at all in gaining interest from females. I had a serious case of no sex-onenitis-friendzoned with "Love of life". I know, looking back now that I never pursued potential lays from the low range HB 5-6's in the past on a few occasions.

Last night dinner date was very pleasant. I didn't see many IOIs, some hair straightening, she started conversation during silence, and looking into each others eyes during several cheers. We split the bill. Then took a walk around and visited a nice luxury hotel romantic garden but I didn't feel any vibes from her as I stood close to her. I drove her back home but only because it was on my own way home and she had to walk through a bad neighborhood.
We kissed each other right on the edge of the lips. She is a nice serious girl so I think she is just not sure about it yet and is not the type to easily jump into bed after 2 dates.

Duuuuude... Wtf is this shit? Are you having a laugh? Classic AFC!

Not sure how many times I've told guys this but: you have to be fucking direct and unapologetic about your intentions! None of this "I drove her home and got a kiss" bullshit. Did you fuck her? Nope! You are now the "nice guy" she may fall back on when her looks fade and she needs to settle.

If you want to get laid, you gotta put your balls on the line. All in or all out. If it doesn't work out find another girl! There are new ones out every fucking night!!

Do not go out to the girl for you depends on the goodwill of the degree. If the spare tire when you are, you still do not go out.

Ok guys so I am an AFC. Shoot me. At this moment in life I am looking for a relationship and not getting laid every night - though I try to make that my goal in every interaction.

I really would like to hook up with this girl I went out to dinner and drove back (not the one with BF I mention in first part of post). But I don't know how to proceed now after two dates (a day date and a dinner date). I haven't K-closed.

I want to see her again and escalate this time but I am afraid if I contact her again even if I let a few weeks go by (hope she will get in touch instead, but what if she doesn't?) I am showing neediness. "There are other girls" you say. I've refrained from contacting other girls I met once to hang out again and not heard from them again because and I did not contact them again because I always told myself yes "there are other girls" but at one point when you like a girl you want to keep seeing her right? Is that so wrong? Really appreciate mature tips, I am mid 30 and she is late 20's close to 30.

I don't think driving her back home ONCE late at night has automatically put me in friend zone purgatory and utterly ruined my chances. If I did all the time ok I get it. With that said, I will not drive anyone back again!

Sorry buddy, but I haven't got a clue what you said there.

If you do not smash it she will ditch you for someone who will (assuming this is a hot attractive female that isn't desperate).

I am sorry I don't know what you mean by "smash it".
I'd say she is a high 7/lower 8, with a really nice slim and tight figure, nice ass and breasts, and well kept. Doesn't seem desperate to me. We are both part of a meet up group (where we first met) and she told me that she is tired of being constantly hit by the sleazy guys of that group and that she goes to those meetings mostly for practicing languages and meeting new people, and the hitting is getting annoying. To which I joke saying "oh so you are using me for improving your language skills I see" and she says "no no no. with you its different. we have things in common"

Smash it means have sex. And I agree have sex or at least try to have sex with her as soon as possible. I have learned this lesson the hard way countless times. GOOD LUCK

Cheers mate, appreciate the translation.

I am still conflicted as to what is my next step. If I should wait a week or two before contacting her again if I don't hear from her before then or go straight for the smash and ask to hang out with her over this coming weekend or next week.

ASAP.....there is nothing about ASAP that merits waiting 2 weeks.