Romanticism is when you have an overly positive view of something. For instance, before World War 1 many people looked at war as a heroic and noble thing. After World War 1 most people saw war as hell. Many people around the world see soccer as awesome. In the U.S., its not all that. The thing is this values and perspectives are relative to how you think of something.

Some men look at women as awesome and some men look at women as not all that. If you're a nice guy chances are you have a romantic view of women, an overly positive view. Like a girl is all that, like dating would be amazing, like dating her would solve all your problems, like she's perfect, like you don't want anything more than her, like she's just pure amazing\, like pussy is the sweetest joy.

Women want the prize. That's why a girl will go with a guy that's not doing shit for her because she wants the prize. She' wants the prize more than she wants to be prized. She wants a valuable man more than she wants to be valued.

Most women are not used to men kissing their ass. Most women did not grow up in a household where men kissed ass. Traditionally, men were so valuable...financially that the man really didn't have to do much at all to keep a woman. The woman was just honored to be in the man's presence. After seeing this all their lives and having this behavior passed down generation after generation through habit and belief that on a subconscious level it does not seem right for a woman to be on a pedestal.. .Unless, and this is my theory, unless you have a spoiled daddy's girl.

To be a nice guy and to get the girl you would have to convince a woman that you are more valuable than a guy with all the swagger. We are in a society now where people are confused. Subconsciously we want things to be a certain way, out of habit. However, morally we as a society also know women should have more power and shuld be more valued. Its just that somewhere inside women still want it the old fashion way.

So, if you are a romantic and you can be a romantic if you want but you have to remember that you have a very eccentric mindset that might not be accepted by women. Women may hate the way you are.

with all due respect dude i mostly disagree. all guys i know really like women but there are a few who "love" women and act like they're great, that they cant get through life without them, and these are the same few dudes who wont do shit for a girl unless it results in a fuck.

personally id probably hate all women if i wasnt sexually attracted to them hahaha

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What do you disagree with son?

People are a certain way due to their experiences. They like certain things and they dislike certain things.Maybe you've heard this before...people have a certain type. Maybe a girl has said you're just not my type.

You fall in love with someone when you project your fantasies onto them. You see some ideal, or value or person in them and that makes you forget about all a person's imperfect flaws.

It`s only a theory, but I believe you are jumping into conclussions a bit quickly.

Yes, some may hate you; but also yes, some may love you. That`s life, it`s as simple as that. You can`t make them all love you, wich means some will hate you.

This is not a problem, nor there`s a need for a solution. Go to the next page and move on.

Facts of life man... Not everyone will like you.

From the very beginning you start wrong for fucks sake... War is still romanticized by billions of people through out the world (remember www = world wide web) ... after all war is the perfect measure of a person's "die for the common good"... In fact War was romanticized even in WWII... right into North Korea.... Vietnam was the first moment where war was moving into the concept of hell... because many people went MIA, POW, died, etc.

And even today many many people still in the states Romanticize war... we now use words like "tragedy" but even that connects to one of the biggest literature successes ever: Romeo and Juliet.

Everyone is different and there are far too many factually said statements in your opinion... Honestly you need to open up your spectrum a bit... you're too closed minded.

Traditionally a woman was honored to be in a man's presence? DUDE GO READ SOME EVOLUTIONARY THEORY!

Traditionally women choose men... that's how it's been for millions of year dude... what is more traditional?

Traditionally women brought about more food during the hunter and gatherer era with more consistency as recent research has proven.

Where do you come up with your theories? Obviously not from reality.

The reality is up until the last 10k years women had more power in a lot of ways.... Their submissive role is very recent and as much as you may not realize it... women are rising up to the position they were supposed to be in an equal one... where they have certain things over us and us over them...

Peace and Love,

Vic

Note: Your view of women is very very limited as I've said to you. Go read the book 5 languages of Love as Kasabi recently recommended... this will make a huge fucking difference in how you perceive things... Here is a summary for you:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69AQQ54AI28[/youtube]

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I join the team that disagrees on your theory, and I do so from pure experience. On one hand you have nice guys (alpha males), and on the other, you have another bunch of nice guys (beta males). Then there is a third category - the assholes. Now, which group of men do you think have most success with women? You guessed it right - the Mr nice guy alpha male.

The only reason why assholes get women is because they usually know what they want in life - which is one of the alpha male treats. The reason why beta males (nice guys) don't get women is because they give women more attention than they deserve - which turns the women off. Alpha males on the other hand (still nice guys), give women just the right amount of attention - and they have to work to get more attention from him. So he becomes the price.

Close-minded because you disagree. You're always so condescending. Whats wrong dude? You sound like a guy that's insecure and can't make up his mind about anything. I don't want to be like you.

Think back 50 years in history, think back a hundred years, think back a thousand. Who provided for the family? Who did all the work? The man. Who stayed at home? The woman. In China, they are still aborting females babies. Men used to have several wives. Why? Why? Why? Because the man was valued more highly than the woman.

Men behaved a certain way. Men thought a certain way. Men were rough, hard working, and all that stuff. And these attitudes of manliness were passed down from generation to generation just by taking on the habits and attitudes of male role models. All this is subconscious without even realizing it. However, society has changed. Females have become empowered. There are many female dominated households. Females are valued much more. Society Puts the PuSSy on a Pedestal.

So what do you get? You get men that are very nice. You get men that put a lot of value on women. You get men that give women all their attention. Then this doesn't attract women and guys are just like why? Why? They say things like women are dumb. You know, but it all comes back to the subconscious. There are all these attitudes about sucking it up and being a man that are in us subconsciously that when a woman sees a man that's sensitive...in her gut she feels like thats wrong and unattractive. You could have been raised that way to be sensitive and now women hate the way you are. Have a great day!

You'll never be like me dude... thank jebus. I work from intelligence and a well read library as well as reality. You seem to make up shit and say things like your insecurities are showing (Ironic after your first debate with me where you proved to be very insecure, have an ego, take things personally (sign of low self-esteem) as well as some other inner game issues that showed bright as sun). Now you want to tell me I'm insecure for correcting your ignorant remarks? Honestly I didn't even get into the rest of your bull shit just pointed out the obvious lies. War being romanticized only until WW1 that is asinine...

I thought back millions of years now you want me to go back 100? WTF? Again go read some evolutionary theory. Why should I have to come forward in time? I mean tradition would be more how it was for a longer period of time right? So this means that we'd look more into hunter and gatherer era and the construction of those relationships involved right? Not the last 10k years of the last million that's literally 1 percent dude.... WTF? Do you really measure tradition by 1 percent? I know I don't. That would be like you exercising 1 day of a hundred then saying that's tradition.

Who did all the work? You raise a family and teach every kid to read and write. WITH NO OTHER SPOUSE because yes you are correct the man was never around. Yes kids in the old days were basically raised by their Mom's until they were 6-7 then they were given limited masculine chores to help Dad.

Traditionally women provided more food for hundreds of thousands of years through the what? HUNTER AND GATHERER ERA as proven by recent research! You want me to go back 100 years and create tradition but women contributed more over the last million years than men... Hell they still contribute a lot more than you realize.

In China they are still aborting female babies because of current policies there. That has to do with the value created by only being allowed to have 1 child and the fact that in their particular culture your statement is true. Fuck dude learn to make a good point. Why aren't we killing males in states? Or in Mexico? South America? How about India? Or Europe? Australia? Because your point is mostly incorrect.

Making women equal to you is not putting pussy on a pedestal... It's the ability to have a functioning good relationship with women.

Nice guys get fucked I'm proof.... so enough of your ridiculous theories where you make things up and draw a conclusion off of fiction.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Honestly, I think you distort everything I say. If you study history you would know romanticizibg war is a principal cause of WW1. I never said It was the only time it's happened but it has a significant relationship with world war1 that makes it worth mentioning.

I think evolutionary theory seems like outdated precedent. You want to look for most relevant. Even in hunter gatherer days men were still providing security and were valued highly because of that surly.

I'm not saying women shouldn't be equal, I'm pointing something out. For a thinker you make so many assumptions. They aren't aborting in western countries because people have rights in the west. I don't think you can deal with disagreement so you try to deride opposing views. I never do that.

You're not proof of anything until I observed your habits and tendencies with women. I find you to be really rude by the way.

In the hunter and gatherer days woman protected themselves in the same manner they do today going to the bathroom with numbers. Again go read some evolutionary theory. Men would disappear for days or sometimes weeks for a hunt. Most of the time hunting is done together... so only the elderly, young, or weak were left behind to protect a little.

It's important you realize while technology has pressed forward our evolutionary design hasn't moved forward at near the speed... in other words it applies immensely to our hard wiring and animal like behaviors such as sex and courtship... or communication... or anything since humans are animals.
I find it rude when a poster lies to other readers.

I find it rude when a poster says I'm being insecure when I point out ignorant uneducated remarks.

I find it rude when I provide an element for a debate (such as our previous one) and it is ignored for the sake of ignorance.

Deception around this board is inevitable but lying about history is unacceptable.

Enough of your thoughts dude... go learn something... I'm going to be rude to a liar... that is just how it is if you were my family it would be no different.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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I feel like your theory is full of flawed definitons, made-up facts and questionable assumptions.

It's very simple. Women want to be treated as normal sexual human beings. Not inferior, not superior, just normal, equal, real, human being. That's it. No need to overcomplicate it.

Some will like you, some will not like you. That's just truth. Look... everyone is busting your balls for a reason. I'll explain...

We simply had enough of these generalising completely useless theories. You're pretty much saying that if you treat women well, then they will hate you. Wtf is this BS? Have you ever had a normal relationship with a real woman? I can't seem to find an even remotely logical base of your arguments.

Please tell me how is society putting pussy on a pedestal? The news nowadays is mainly just celebrities humiliating themselves in ridiculous clothes showing their ass, tits, and pussy. Society is degrading women. Even in the western world, just more subtly. Women generally earn less money than man. FACT. How is pussy put on a pedestal? Just HOW?

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Society idolizes women sexually....

There are dozens of films, magazines, porns, commercials that make women seem like they are all that just because women are attractive. In fact, movies like American Pie, 40 year old Virgin are all about just trying to have sex with a girl. Also, this forum...most guys are here just to have sex with girls.

You call me a liar? You call me uneducated? You call me Ignorant? Because I disagree with you? You haven't said anything convincing so I don't believe you. You keep saying I'm wrong but you provide no convincing basis.

I think your Evolutionary theory is irrelevant and outdated (you have not made an argument for why it isn't by the way). I don't want to read it and you haven't given me a reason to want to read it. However, you keep talking about it as if it is Gospel.

The things I say you can prove with common sense and you can apply them to your life.You think you are right and I am wrong. You think you know. I am not telling anyone they are wrong. I am not ridiculing anyone that has not ridiculed me. I am just making an argument for what I believe given my personal experience. You sound like a guy that does not trust his personal experience.

These are my points. Accept or Rebut them, but stop the name calling because that is childish

1.) Women don't like feminine men. Men that are emotional and inconsistent, timid, and who look for sympathy like mommas boys. If you are that way well tough luck.

2.) Habits and attitudes from your parents are passed on to you. A woman's parents thought and behaved as if men should be manly so subconsciously women feel the same way without even realizing.

3.) Because it makes money society encourages men to put women on a pedestal based upon the appearance of women. This is contrary to how women want to be treated subconsiously.

4.) I never said treat women as inferior. Women just don't like the idea of being superior and wearing "the pants in the relationship."

5.) Traditionally men did not put women on a pedestals. Men were valued more highly than women. This explains men having multiple wives. This explains the female abortions in other cultures. This explains women being denied power and high paying positions.

6.) The purpose of this post is for guys to have manly qualities like emotional consistency, self-confidence, decisiveness, maintaining a strong bearing and not looking for sympathy, and self-discipline when it comes to dealing with women.

I think some making negative comments about your original post missed some words like "for instance" in your first paragraph and words like "might" and "may" in you last paragraph. Words like that are supposed draw less critical responses.

I took the WWI example as just one example like you could have replaced it with The American Civil War or WWII, and it would still be true. You could also replace it with Bobski's marriage, that looked a lot better at the start too. If I'm going to take issue with something in the first paragraph it would be the soccer comments. But I would just add to it saying (because it is awesome) and (because most Americans didn't grow up with it).

I can't agree with your comment "like pussy is the sweetest joy" If pussy isn't please tell me what is!

You lost me a little on the women want the prize stuff. I think they want both, they want the prize and they want to be prized. Some want the prize more, some want to be prized more.

Re; "Most women aren't used to men kissing their ass...." Sadly that is not as true as it used to be. But I get what your saying, they didn't grow up having their asses kissed by their fathers and brothers. It's really changed a lot just in my lifetime. When I was young the women did all the cooking then did all the cleanup while the men played cards and drank beer. It's not that way anymore.

But mostly I think you were trying to say don't be too much of a nice guy, that isn't what most of them want. I can't disagree with that. I see a big difference between a nice guy and a good guy. I'm not sure all of those slamming your post do. I'd consider myself a good guy but not necessarily a nice guy. The way I differentiate the two is; a nice guy will open your car door and may or my not cheat on you. A good guy may or may not open your car door but will not cheat on you.