Hey guys, new here so please bear with me.

I have a slight issue that's been keeping me from progressing lately.

I'm trying to find my best way of hitting it up in the club. A lot of people preach to go indirect and basically see what happens, if the girl is interested then you take it further. Build attraction etc. I know the MM model is outdated but it still got lots of results for many guys back in the day. I'm not talking about canned stuff, but just the principle.

Then you have people who preach showing your intentions. I feel this way works better for me, but at the same time it obviously puts a lot of girls on guard, apart from the ones that have immediate attraction and are open. With showing my intentions I mean I might go direct with a girl, telling her I think she's cute, or tell her I like her style or something. This works sometimes and other times not. Indirect seems to work sometimes and other times not, but I find it much more "congruent" to show my intentions.

The thing is a lot of people say that you can't get the really hot chicks by showing your intentions, you have to be free of outcome and approach just for the sake of it, or to genuinely ask them something, and build attraction, etc. However how can I approach a girl without intention or outcome in mind when I am in the bar or club to pickup a chick? That's my real question really. I'm trying to try all aspects of game, but I can't seem to get indirect down because I just feel incongruent, especially when the girl shows no initial interest.

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I like to SHOW my intention but not TALK about my intention if that makes sense. I game indirect, but my eye contact and body language (and kino) are direct.

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Hey man


Life is never about what you do, its all about how you do it. So the things you say don't matter half as much as how you say them. Your "hows" all come from whats going on in your head. A man with confidence, says things with confidence and therefore people are receptive to him.

What it all boils down to is getting out there time and time again, and learning. The more you approach, the more confident you will be with approaching. You're "how" will improve with experience.

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Approaching a woman and going direct is what I always usually recommend because it saves you time, money, and allows you to find out whether or not a girl is interested in YOU much much faster.

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This ^^^

From my experience, talking OVERLY sexual just makes girls think I'm a pervert. You should be clear in your intentions but not telling a girl you're going to fuck her brains out infront of her friends.

Be sexual and seductive with your eye contact and your touch.

What others have said. I do best when I am speaking indirectly, but I am using very direct and sexual body language.

Here are some tips from someone who have done this before...

The best way to approach is always indirect, but may take some time and can be inefficient in this sense. Approaching indirectly means that you don't walk up to the girl you want to talk to. Instead, you start talking to people around her, maybe strangers to her, or maybe even her friends. Always talk to male friends before female. Befriend these people. This way you make sure that you get accepted by the group first (and seem like a normal person, not a pervert), get social proof, and avoid being seen as a threat by her friends. If all goes well you will soon find yourself talking to that girl, and you don't even know how it happened.

If you have no other option but to approach directly, let your opener be a bit accusing. This gives her the impression that you just want to talk, nothing more. This way you are "safe". Examples:
"Hey, you look kind of angry." (if she looks like she has put her bitchshields up).
"You just took my spot in the bar"
"It's not very social to fiddle with your phone when you are in a club"

A woman usually turns off if she gets attention (compliments) that she doesn't deserve. If the first thing you do is to give her a compliment, she will feel that you are not really honest, just trying to buy her, and that you want something from her. Imagine the opposite - a girl walks up to you and says "wow, you have really nice clothes". Do you get turned on? Probably not, unless you have clothes that are something out of the ordinary. So make her work for your compliments and your attention.

One thing that is very thrilling and turns a woman on is if you do everything you can to hold back and "hide" your attraction to her. Your eyes and your bodylanguage will probably reveal your intentions anyway, and such mixed signals is something very effective.

+1. I do not completely understand why, but it seems to be true. To illustrate. One of my girls said that she thought I was some maniac/pervert when I told her on the end of the second date "we are gonna go to my place and fuck". After finding what she thought, I stopped any verbal sexual talk in my game and I only escalate physically (never had a problem when using the ladder).

However, I am still direct verbally with everything except sexual matters - e.g. "why are you talking to me???" -> "I may take you out for a date. Need to find out who you are first." I think you should project yourself as a confident person. And it really saves time...

Yes. For example, many women are willing to fuck on a first date, but very few will ever say yes if you ask them if the want to come over and fuck. If you ask them if they want to come over and hear you play guitar, all of those who want to fuck will say yes.

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Different styles for different types of women.

Generally speaking you don't show your intentions with a hot woman because she needs to be worked on and feel you're a cut above the rest before she invests time and effort into you. If you're just like all the rest who clearly want to fuck her you won't get her which is why you don't show your intent. With HB7-8s you can generally show your intentions. For shy women you just don't come on too strong because you'll scare them away. You have to be nice, tease them and be careful of their boundaries. Shy women can be HB6-9 and sometimes even HB10s(Late bloomers generally!!).

If you don't already, go into a club stone cold sober and stay sober all night. Watch the IOIs roll in. Decide on a style to stick with all night and just open or allow yourself to be opened and gain rapport. Move around and be picky, choose the woman you want to invest more time in and close. Remember you can always go back to someone you've already opened and if you leave her and come back her interest will be higher, she knows you're not afraid to walk away which puts her in make or break mode. Build up your entitlement and you'll only feel good about yourself even if you don't score that night.

Also "Cute" is a very important word. I call women cute all the time. I use it to be nice, I use it to put a girl at ease and sometimes I use it to let them know I could be interested. It depends on the context. For instance if I speak with a girl for a while and I like her i'll just say she's cute. She could be in mid-sentence or it could be during a pause but the meaning behind it is clear(Backed up with the appropriate body language). It's a safe word to use because it's not a direct "I like you and want to close on you." It's more "We can see where this goes later on..." On the flip side you can neg a girl and say she's cute immediately after and give her a hug. This puts her at ease and isn't really seen as being an indicator of interest, just friendly banter.

Get used to working powerful words like "Cute" into your game and you'll notice the difference in how women react to you. Understand how to use the words and you'll start feeling much better in your game regardless of the scenario.

Be careful with "cute". okCupid actually showed online it is not a good word to use. Probably because it is overused.

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He's talking about in nightclubs...

"Cute" is an excellent word (fuck okcupid) it causes wonder, and mystery.
This is a perfect example of how to use it.

i. e.; That shirt is 'cute' - she wonders wtf does he mean? did he like it? Is he saying it's slutty? Am I over/under dressed?
Again spot on. Same thing (the mid-sentence is premium forward thinking btw), Does he think I look slutty/easy, is he being sarcastic, honest?

'Cute' is a 'catnip' word.

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