This has been playing on my mind. The other night I went out with a natural. I never really realised he was a natural until that night. Since getting back into PU it's the first time i've been around one.

I'm amazed. He acted, without flaw and so naturally, the way you're taught to act in Pick Up. I know for a fact he's not a PUA. He's just natural. The thing is he isn't even attractive or anything near it. He's a tiny bit taller than average, doesn't go to the gym, never brushes his hair or styles it and he even has a beer belly. His face isn't anything special either. He's just average in general. The only striking feature about him is probably his height but he's not even that tall.

I've talked to girls after they've met him and they say he's "really funny and interesting" even though he makes up the most insane stories and isn't afraid to be an ass to anyone. He will say what comes to mind as soon as he thinks of it without thought for what kind of an affect it will have then carry on as if not giving a damn. The guy gets laid a lot and i've seen it in action. He's just never phased by anything and really doesn't care what anyone else thinks.

He doesn't care.
He insults everyone and anyone.
His posture is very casual and relaxed.
His mannerisms are literally out of any PUA book on the market.
He just gives off this "You could be in my life for a second or ten years and I wouldn't care more or less" attitude.

He is literally what you learn from books like The Natural and Mystery Method in the flesh. It's been on my mind a lot since i've gone out with him but it's amazing to see all these connections to PU and know that he isn't a PUA or probably never even read the front cover of a PU book.

I strongly suggest heading out with a natural and making the connections to PU. The posture, the mannerisms, the mentality, everything is there and it just works so naturally without so much as a second thought.

He probably has strong self confidence and a no fucks attitude because he is successful in his higher priorities(work, sports, a band, etc). He isn't faking it, and girls know it.

I've recently started looking into this stuff out of curiosity, and I believe most PU schools of thought are complete garbage and only work on needy girls and when timing is spot on. The guys that get good at it build up such high confidence in themselves that it becomes real, not fake, because they consider their self good at something.

If you can fake confidence well enough that its believable, good job, but next to someone who has developed it from being a badass their whole life, its obviously a subpar attitude and demeanor.

Well, isn't PU all about self improvement? Go to the gym... sort out your financial situation... It's not just about talking women into being comfortable with you and playing it so you can close them. Every piece of material i've read has basically said "If you've got no inner game you've got poor outer game." Some say fake it but most tell you to address the core problems to get the most out of your game.

I think you need both inner and outer game. I can tell you for a FACT, you can learn to be a 'natural'. I know because I learned it. No one believes who I used to be, a super awkward 130lbs nerdy looking kid who couldn't even look at a girl in the eye. Now just about everyone assumes I am a natural or a player or whatever. It CAN be learned. It took me a while, but it was my inspiration for coming back to the forums after a several year break and for launching my website. You can become a natural.

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If you think PUA is about acting out, you have been reading the wrong stuff prob. To be really good you need to improve your life really and not just by acting.

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Here are some tips on how to become a natural!

Realize that all PUA-techniques originate from "naturals" and otherwise socially skilled people. They come from nerds like Mystery who have analyzed and written down what works for him, and what he have seen other people do. They are no "magic tricks". Being a PUA is just a theatre where you mimic the behavior of naturals. So when you see a natural, there is no reason being surprised.

Try to relate all PUA-techniques to what you see "normal" people do, and ask yourself what every technique is trying to accomplish. Go to a club with a little bit older and more mature people, aged 40 or older. These people have quite much experience with social interaction. Watch and learn. Realize that "being normal" is key, and observe what "normal" means. See how easy it is to open a set without being rejected as soon as you are "normal". And while you are there, since you probably don't want to hit on the old ladies, analyse your own behavior - you don't try to impress anyone. Maybe, if you are confident enough you probably feel comfortable too. And what happens if you do? Suddenly you start to DHV, without putting any effort doing so!

Everything you do as a PUA is quite the opposite to this and will often scare people away. The reason why people have AA is not because of some BS about being killed by the alpha male as Mystery think - it is because you know that you may disturb people who want to be left alone.

Yeah, i've always had this mentality. I strongly believe those who delude themselves into seeing PUA as anything other than self help or life coaching will just flat out fail in general.

The thing about PUA is a lot of people who get into it are below average. They're below beta. They can't speak to women, they're afraid to speak to them, touch them or anything. Sure there's a lot of guys who have had some success with women without pick up and can get women occasionally but they're still below beta in mentality. You can be shy around women and still be lucky enough to get laid once or twice a year. There are some women who like quiet guys and like to open up with guys once they get to know them but they're few.

What works about PUA is you start at the bottom and build yourself up. You can't approach women, you think they're evil, mean and will treat you badly? You learn that you can approach women and they're not horrible people and will actually be nice most of the time if you're normal about it. From this you get a boost of confidence and truly believe in Pick Up, after all what it says and teaches is true. When you get a boost you start pushing your boundaries and become happier in yourself. In tandem to this you have PUA telling you to improve your life in general so you start doing that and why not? You get confidence, can go out and operate normally so you push yourself physically, you hit the gym see results and start looking and feeling even better in yourself. Once you reach peek physical condition(Or what makes you happy) you've the social skills to start picking up women and generally get along with them without caring or feeling like a creep. By that time you also have the physique to make approaching and attraction much easier, making your game easier in general.

PUA is self help. You're a fool to think it's some kind of magic, it's not. The one thing you can take from PU is that you should be improving your life in general! PUA just gives you small steps that show big results and directly effect your confidence and how you present yourself to the world.

So what's all the nonsense with the routines and text message lines and corny ass one liners?

It seems pretty silly...

Something to say and How Not To Be A Tool(Beta).

The corny lines are supposed to be delivered correctly. You deliver them with confidence and know what you want out of them. If you want to take it jokingly then do so but be prepared to back it up so it's not weird and awkward.

Opinion openers are basically to get someone involved in the conversation, making the hook easier. Then there's direct openers which are to the point and should be used if you're the most confident guy in the room.

It's easier to appear confident etc. when you have a plan as opposed to just trying to wing it. That is the main idea.

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Right on...so I've never had trouble meeting and banging girls, I constantly meet women through work, my hobbies, and my friends, and in the places I generally hang out at, the PU behavior is highly looked down on, and is likely to get you asked to leave, but I see how it might be fun to do at a club like la vela or something.

On a side note, what I was referring to in my earlier post is the posts I see instructing folks how to pretend they are the alpha male. Lots of times I am the alpha male on scene, lots of times im not. In the instances where im not, there's no way I could convince everyone otherwise without lying through my teeth- and I would eventually get called on the bullshit.

Of course there are a multitude of ways to develop natural behaviour. Like what others said ... it's a mix of inner and outer game and having your shit together. Naturals have abundance, not with just girls but also in their life. They have their shit together. Naturals have "Entitlement" ... the definition of entitlement is how comfortable and relax can you act in front of a girl. For example you can act natural and relax with a troll/fatty girl but act needy and chode to a HB10. The importance of abundance is that you become sincere to the girl. Sincerity is when you have so much abundance that you "care for the well being of the girl" and is NOT looking for anything in return! The opposite would be someone who has Approach Anxiety, they are afraid because they want something from the girl but scared that he may not get it. The natural has abundance, lets say he has 10 girls waiting for him to fuck, so that he doesn't want anything from the girl. Therefore, he doesn't have to try to entertain her, or sell him self. This is super attractive to girls ... and sex is just a bonus to the natural ... he doesn't care if he gets sex or not because he has 10 girls waiting for him (<--- this is just an example).

The characteristics of a natural are that he is more relaxed than the girl, having more fun than the girl (self amusement), and have more positive energy than the girl. You don't have to necessary have your shit together to achieve this ... but it will help ^_^.

But, good news for you, if you don't have your shit together, YET ... you can follow this method to cultivate natural behaviour ... from the number one PU instructor from RSD ... Tyler Durden (hahaha my opinion and I'm pretty sure he is number one for teaching the natural way).

How to use Momentm to fuel Entitlement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAd2di4yHHM

I use this method, it's simple, and makes the girl invest in you greatly.
- I also meditate 20 minutes a day to amplify the effects and helps me get in to this state easier.
- I also push my self to approach the super hard sets and the hottest girls in the venue to gain REFERENCE EXPERIENCE. The more you interact with girls, learn from your failures of interacting with girls ... will gain your confidence and feel more "entitled" to be around them.
- I also eat healthy as fuck.
- I exercise religiously.
- I read tons of books.
- But, again you don't necessarily need your shit together to be a natural :p ... but it will help!

The cool thing, and something for you to look forward to, is that since you are not born a natural ... and will have to train and experience a lot of pain to gain the natural skill ... you will enjoy what you have become. Like how rich kids can't savour the expensive "things" that their parents bought them compared to someone who has to work hard to gain that expensive "things". The person who had to work hard to gain that expensive "things" can reflect and can say, "Fuck right, I did that on my own. I fucking am proud of my self and really really like who I become" .... Cool huh?

ENJOY

Donston!

PS ... How can an asshole be sincere to a girl? The asshole is sincere because he knows girls need a variety of emotions (positive and negative) ... even though he knows it subconsciously or not.

Ok, I have obviously misunderstood lots of the lingo here. My work friend has been reading this site for a good minute now, and showed it to me about two weeks back and encouraged me to give my opinion to guys on here that have trouble with girls.

Truth is my background is much different....everyone I hang out with would be considered alpha as fuck. We are all successful, young, good looking, and into sports and fitness. I wouldn't say any of us have 10 girls waiting on us every night, but its definitely more of a "which girl should I hang out with" situation instead of going out to chase girls.
I would contribute that fact to a few things: appearance, the amount of fun I have, and my awesome social circle of badass guys and hot chicks that most people would trade theirs for in a heartbeat.

If I went out of town to a bar with a friend, I would honestly probably just wait for chicks to talk to me 80% of the time....if they don't, no biggee.....if one is obviously staring or following us around, we will call her oit on it and see how she reacts.

If I went up to random girls with no reason to talk to them other than obviously try and hook up....christ I'd end up getting slapped 10 times a night. I definitely will try and use some of the things I've learned about, particularly at work to try and get an edge by paying attention to body language.

What kind of succes rate would a 'master' have in a brand new city, brand new bar, by himself? Out of say...100 attempts?

Nb4 TLDR

Natty, so what you're saying is you've very little idea what a PUA is and how he operates?

I went out and didn't get drunk. I enjoyed myself and made a point not to get drunk or accept any woman. Know what happened? I had 15women come up to me and hit on me. One cutie that someone I knew was into and started craving my attention for the entire night. I followed pick up(PU) and it worked too well. I had to tell women to go away that's how effective it was. At first I was too much of a needless dick but after the first three approaches and learning... All night they were checking me out, trying to approach and craving me.

If you're the beta of your group you need to learn PUA and then learn from them to make the connections and realise just how efficient this is. I followed it, had everything going, hook, interest, sexual tension but made a point for tonight not to progress it further. I had numerous women running around for me doing what I told them to do! They weren't ugly either!!