Ok, so I'm a bit older (not OLD, but late 20s). I typically don't prefer to date young young girls, but it can be fun to flirt with/fuck them.

It seems more difficult to open these sets - I've been trying to get back into momentum and I went out last night, and just about the only club of decent quality open on a Sunday in the area is a big 18+ club, so there are a ton of 18-21 year olds.

They seem to bore more easily than older girls, they seem to be more cliqueish - my two best sets were a REALLY drunk 19 year old, and a set of four girls (I tooled out some muscular guy by claiming they were my bitches and they weren't allowed to talk to other men. That seemed to win them over).

What do you say? How do you open? I've really got no idea here how to connect with them at all.

I am also in my late 20's and particularly fond of that age group. In my case I use the age difference and my superior education as leverage, taking on the role of a refined gentleman. I don't know about your country, but where I live clubs and discos only pick up heath around 2 in the morning, so between dinner and the disco session the kids usually hang around the same bars executives and public offials go to after work.
If the same happens in your country, it is a good oportunity because it is a quieter enviroment and gives you more space to do your thing. If you want to use the same moves I use, it's really easy: first, act the part, use a suit or a tucked in shirt with jean and a sports jacket. Second, use the same openers, lines and techniques you would with any other girl. Once you get the conversation flowing, take on the role of a refined gentleman. If you want a drink, ask for it by name. For example, don't ask for a wiskey, ask for a Chivas Royal Salute. Check your cell phone sometimes because you have "a pending business in Bahrein" and lead the conversation to places you have traveled to (even if you have never been there).
This is a sucessful move because young girls are used to school kids who are, quite frankly, boring compared to the young businessman you are. Imagine you meet a hot girl who says she is a model, is only in town for a few days to do a photo shoot, etc, etc. She may be only as hot as the other girls there, but you want her just to say you fucked a model. This is basically the same thing, you are adding value to yourself and placing yourself above her league by being completely different of what she is accostumed to.

This seems pretty convoluted.

I look young (a 19 year old last night told me I, "couldn't be over 24"), so they'll probably just think I'm a weird one of them.

I'd prefer more general tips for good discussion topics/how fast to switch from topic to topic, etc.

Not sure what the obsession is with the young girls once you get older. At 31 I am barely attracted to women who are around 20 years old and talking to them is about as enjoyable as talking to a brick wall half the time. As far as advice, you need to use your asset (age) as an advantage by demonstrating knowledge and experience and make them feel that they need to impress you, not vice versa by dumbing yourself down

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Oh it's not an obsession. It's just a, "When I am in that environment" sorta thing.

I've come across this age group a lot. I mostly game during the week and this age are out in the week way more than young professionals. I'm almost 28.

I find that I bore them, or they bore me. Occasionally I hook the set well. Like my last attempt which I'm about to create a separate post for. Basically went very well. Selected the hottest (19), kino and got the number. She was very keen when texting to arrange the meet, till she asked my age. Then brings up a 'boyfriend'. So the age gap thing bothered her!

This age group is hard work bro. I think you have to do the normal DHV thing and make her want to discover this amazing life you live. I haven't come across many older guys (late 20s - 30s) who regularly sleep with this age group or keep them as relationships.

I'd love if someone has some experience in this area who can share some advice.

Don't beat yourself up if you're not succeeding with 18 - 21s. You're not alone.

I don't do terrible with them always - sometimes I've hooked hard - usually after picking an extremely hot girl and saying some incredibly offensive to her ("you look like a trashy whore"/"why are you talking to these boring girls (to my buddy) *walk away*" - had the hottest girl in the group CHASE ME into the club after that. This tactic works very well for this age group I think - at least for openers.

No idea how to talk to them after though.

I suppose belittling them as children would have some positive effect.


I can't think of a girl under 21 I've hooked up with since probably March of 2012, and that was an internet date.

I did have one invite me to prom. That was funny. Then she figured out I was olllllld. Too bad too, she was hot as fuck. I got her number, and even called her once, but she was super awkward.

I specialize on this age range. Some 80% of the girls I sarge belong to this demographic. Here are my top 3 pointers for day game with this age range:

Pointer #1: Do not take the girl's qualifier bait. Flip the script and let her qualify herself to you.

Pointer #2: Show, do not tell. And after the show, demonstrate the takeaway.

Pointer #3: Energy first. Emotions second.


Discussion of Pointers

Pointer #1

If you have not qualified yourself to the girl first, the girl will bait you to qualify yourself to her during the first four minutes of your interaction. Qualification does not reside in your intention but rather in the girl's perception.

You are qualifying yourself to the girl when:

1. The girl feels that you are trying to impress her with your status, looks, money, reputation or what have you. If you are an older guy, the key is to downplay everything. In short, you are reverse qualifying yourself.

Reverse qualifying is different from disqualifying. Disqualifying is making yourself look lacking in self confidence or displaying unassertive behavior. Meanwhile, reverse qualifying is teasing the girl with some cheeky, unbelievable DLV about yourself that is obviously not true.

Another important observation is that most girls in this age range are rarely alone most especially when they're hot. So it makes sense to sarge entire sets and f-close several hot girls in a set for sarging efficiency.

2. She asks you about your job or what you do and you honestly answer this with something like, "I'm a manager." or "I'm a professor at the university." I typically get these questions from 18-21 year old women and I immediately got blown out of sets after giving a direct answer. The best reply is to ignore or give some outrageous, over-the-top job title like you're answering an absurd question with an absurd answer.

Pointer #2

The best way to DHV to this age group is to show your value in very subtle ways and not tell. After the testosterone display, let the girls experience the feelings of loss with some takeaway.

Most girls in this age group hate delayed gratification. So you quickly show them a fun sample of your life and immediately take it away. Say, you invite a set to a zip line hangout all expenses paid. Pay for the best food, get good accommodations and so on. After the hangout, don't show yourself for a certain time and drastically cut the spending when you meet again with the set.

Note: You only invite a set to a hangout AFTER they have qualified themselves to you. You should frame the interaction as the girlie set having earned your attention. This should not be framed as a bribe to get pussy. You'll fail. Rather, frame it as: You are giving girls the chance to get closer to your cock because they tried to impress you with something you like. That's the ideal frame buddy. Read Mystery to get a better grip on the concept of Qualification-Acceptance. This is a subtle, but mission critical, courtship process step that leads to the f-close.

If you're not earning enough, don't do this sarging game plan. Your frame should be around the idea that, stress levels go down when you're having fun. Lesser stress mean greater health benefits and greater career productivity. It SHOULD NOT be: If I spend, I get pussy. Girls can intuitively tell the difference between a positive frame versus a negative frame. Girls are better than men at intuitive jobs for a reason and men do better at logical jobs than women in general. Know this along with proper framing and you'll barely go wrong.

Likewise, your social proof as the fun, laid back, cool older guy will go viral. You'll get invited to a lot of parties by some of the hottest girls who know x, who knows y, where y is the friend of the friend of one of the girls you took along on the zip line hangout. I call this Social Proofing Leverage. Spend big once and attract many cheaper hangouts from hot girls who want to get into the joy ride.

The subtle message is to show that you value fun and not any girl in particular. If a set of girls fail to give you fun, then you're subtly saying to these girls to take a walk. The hottest babes in the set will then work very hard to get your attention again to have another taste of that fun life that you showed them.

These girls will also get into intrusive thinking mode. They'll think, "He must have been pissed off, or maybe he didn't have that much fun with us, or maybe he found us boring." They'll compete with one another until you eventually bang all of the hot girls in the set. Caution: Do not bang the uglies and fatties in the set. You'll be treated like the plague.

Pointer #3

Since you're an older guy, girls will instinctively think of a lot of negative things about you to disqualify you as quickly as they can. As stated earlier, do not qualify and do not tell. Make her qualify herself to you and give her a quick preview of your fun life.

However, even though you're not qualifying yourself to these girls they will still try to disqualify you usually with health issues like, "He's too old, he must have diabetes (subtle hint: she's thinking you can no longer get it up)." "He's too old, he might have a heart attack during sex." "He's too old, he might not be able to defend me from a street thug." "He's too old. He might be too sickly and I have to take care of him." "He's too old. He might be too boring and does not like fun things like rock climbing or surfing."

In short, showcase your energy levels and all those negative thoughts will quickly disappear along with the girlie dis-qualifiers.

These are just 3 pointers. There are more.

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