Hi guys just wanted to get your input -

I've been friends with this girl for 3 years. She's the kind of girl who likes hanging out with our group of 3-4 friends, not really the exciting kind of girl, more a friends kind of girl rather than a girlfriend type. Thing is, I sense that she always got jealous whenever I tell her about my dates, etc. I sensed a lot of jealousy from her 2 years ago when I got together with my now ex-girlfriend, and ever since then I've spent a hell of a lot less time with her coz of my commitment.

Now, I'm single again, and I've started spending more time with her (although yeah she's back to her 'lets all go out and have fun' mode). Still, I wanna do bad stuff to her but I have no idea how to do so. She's one of those really fickle types who get jealous whenever she senses you have a thing for someone else, but flies away once you try to make the moves on her.

I actually have a golden opportunity this week as she'll be going to Singapore for training and I asked if I could tag along with her and "bunk" in the same hotel room. She said yes. So two things here: 1) how do I seduce her despite her seeing my entire relationship come and go in front of her the last 2 years and 2) am I so deep in the friend zone that she would feel completely secure in letting me sleep in the same room? If so, how do I turn that around?

Really appreciate your advice guys. Thanks!

I don't see a friend zone problem here, that's just in your head.

If she will 'bunk' with you, she will fuck you, if you escalate properly.

Go out for drinks the first night together, if you don't escalate the situation early, the likelihood will thin dramatically.

Smoothly introduce sexual topics to a conversation.

She must be at least somewhat attracted to you, your looks, your personality, something about you. That is why she acted jealous in the past. She doesn't have to be ready to jump you yet, but getting her laughing and having fun is a good place to start. Incidental touch or “kino” is also an effective element to introduce to the interaction.

Introduce a sexual element to the conversation in the first 5 – 10 minutes rather than waiting a long time. Waiting until after a couple of hours to turn the conversation sexual can create some problems because it doesn't fit with who you have been in the conversation: a comfortable non-sexual guy to talk to.

Be challenging and tell a story about you or something a “crazy friend” did. Like. I've got this really crazy story, but I think it might be too crazy for you, You've always seemed kind of innocent. If she says try me, I’m up for a good story, then you can go ahead with your story and if she gets offended, you can always say see I told you this wasn't your thing. The sexier the better, she said go ahead...so go. This might prompt her to tell a story of her own or get turned on listening to your story. Transition into both your likes and dislikes in the bedroom.

Deliberately misunderstand everything she says. Make it seem as though SHE is putting the moves on YOU.

Later on in the evening you might even find a way to comment on her body with a glance and say something like “nice” when she gets up for something and you obviously check out her ass/boobs, depending on how she is dressed. Be willing to be bold and use this as a test without knowing how she will respond.

Amp up the kino. Take her to the room!

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start making moves to indicate your attraction. The international code for doing this is to look at someone, catching their eye a little too long. Not every time, just a few times. She'll notice.

Then find reasons to smoothly come in close to her occasionally and gauge if she welcomes the move or not - do it smoothly so that it is unspoken - and typically while you are talking about something else entirely. If you're subtle about it and don't clunk it up by doing something unnatural and she likes you she should be fine with it.

Then when you're in body space find reasons to touch her arms, shoulders, hair, etc. while you're talking and come in close to say stuff in her ear sometimes so that your faces are close etc. it will create a sexual tension that is perfect for you then to hit on her full on and at 'the right time' - i.e. ideally if you've been discussing 'should friends ever be lovers' and that kind of thing (and gauging her response) move to kiss her

you should do this in a loud setting e.g. a club or bar with lots of people around. if you do it at the hotel it might be uncomfortable for her. but really it sounds like she's already got a thing for you with the jealousy stuff, and she wouldn't have you sleep in the same hotel room if there was no way she would sleep with you. But thats not an open ticket either.

basically it sounds like you have a good hand and with good work you could probably pull it off.

Heywood your basing your advice on the fact that she either has some attraction to him, i'm not sure we can assume that from this post.

Before you "bunk" with her introduce the sexual/romantic frame to make sure she is at all interested. If she isn't even flirty with you then you are in for a bad time and some embarrassment, if she responds positively then go with Justblowme's advice

Welcome to the minds of women. That quote sums up so much it's unreal.

In her head since you all hang out with her and let her know you're interested in her she feels like you are only interested because you all have no other options. When you had a girlfriend you had other options and she would feel validated if you chose her over your then gf. Now you have no other options and you aren't likely to succeed if she knows this as she will believe you are only after her because you are desperate.

There is also a window of opportunity with women and you are way past that point. Especially your friends. Now that you are recently single this window may have re-set since you were previously off the market and potentially due to having value. Capitalize on this and make a move as soon as possible. You won't get a second chance and will just validate her ego

Yes I was basing my advice, with the assumption that she has at least some attraction. But of course that is somewhat uncertain. As to why I suggested sexual innuendo/story's/jokes early on to test the waters.

But if there is no advance early, and they end up just just sleeping as 'pals', she will lock that pussy up tight, and throw the key deep into the friend zone pit.

As for myself, if a girls offers to share a 'bunk', I am always going to assume a green light. Of course I would have started being 'suggestive' as soon as the offer was on the table. If a woman has an option of sleeping alone or sharing the bed, she’s thinking about sex. BUT just because she’s thinking about sex. That doesn't mean she’s going to have sex with you but it’s definitely on her mind because otherwise she would've choose other options, and blocked the idea soon as the trigger was pulled. No woman is going to share a bed with a man she doesn't want to sleep with if there’s another choice!

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Always assume it's on

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except when you expend time, effort, money, or emotional capital when its definitely not on.

but you are like me, you would have already qualified her based on your experience and feel, I dont think thats the case here

I'm putting this in my word book. ....under expenditures.

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Thanks for the advice guys. I think I know what to go for when I see her in Singapore this weekend, that is be quick yet subtle, escalate, and close.

Anyway in case you wanna know more about the situation, I've always been discreetly sexual about her, telling her I have a crush on her, finding her ass kind of cute, even asking her if she would have wanted to join me and my then girlfriend in a threesome. She politely said no but yeah as you can imagine some tension is definitely there. She used to ask me to tell a lot of sexual stories when I had a girlfriend (weirdly enough) but as one might expect that stopped when I started being single again. My fault is that i let that sexuality die down a bit recently so I've been working to put that back in.

Not sure if this is a critical piece of info, but she barely has any sexual experience (she claims her previous guys stop before they could all out do her, but i don't think she's a virgin) and by my count she hasn't had a boyfriend for at least 4 years. She admits that she thinks she has no game and in fact she is quite the failure when it comes to flirting, which is actually the reason I didn't go after her in the first place and also the reason why I'm extra careful to read when she's actually into romantic thoughts with me or when she's just being a brick. (Because based on how tame/fickle/undecided she is, I can't tell the difference between her interested face and her brick face.)

Quite frankly though that seems to me as a bit of a turn on now that I finished things with my girlfriend. Being a guy who's done really crazy stuff with women (but actually i'm really quite shy on the surface hehe), I feel like I could totally blow her mind in bed and that if I get to F-close her, she'll keep coming back for more :-p

Thanks again.