What the fuck are you still doing here? I thought I told you to go fuck your mother...

Seriously man, nobody gives a rat's ass about what you are trying to "expose." So get out of here.

You talk about "living in a fantasy world" because it's only a fantasy to YOU tools. You keep saying "the only thing that matters is looks." Cool. Believe whatever you want to believe. Seriously. ITS YOUR REALITY!!! Reality is subjective. Your beliefs are your own. I don't know how else to get that through your head because your skull is so damn thick, it's constricting your sad excuse of a brain.

You can sit here and say "looks are the only thing that matters" all you want, but myself and plenty of other guys on this forum and who are into pick up, have pulled girls that you would consider "too attractive" for. So there is your proof that your "studies" are flawed. Even if you see pictures or videos... You just say they are fake. So what's the use of trying to argue?

You treat your PUA hate forum as some type of cult or group. That's sad. Atleast you have something to be a part of I guess. That's not how the pick up community is. There is more to life than "pick up" yet you have all this "pill" jargon and sound like a complete LOSER. You've got the wrong idea about pick up. There is no "special pill" that you take and all of the sudden you become this ultimate mack with women. It doesn't work like that. Pulling women is a skill... Just like ANY other skill you want to develop in life, it takes practice and repetition and GUIDANCE from other people. If you don't believe it's a "skill," why is it that I can pull women and you can't? Seriously... Why is that? I am nothing special. Me and you are both cut from the same cloth. Yet you lose and I win. Answer that one for me, dick lips...

The same way that women see talking to men as something that is a skill. There are more dating and relationship help forums and magazines out there for women than you could ever even imagine. Maybe go grocery shopping with mommy next time she buys food for you and take a look by the cashier at the store. THAT'S ALL YOU WILL SEE!! DATING HELP! FOR WOMEN! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT SHIT?!?! Read those magazines! Look at what women are reading!! You're fucking dense. You come up with all these excuses because you can't do something so you feel better about yourself... Then you come on here trying to make other people feel as bad as you do. You low life.

Learn to understand women if you want to talk about what they do and don't find attractive. Don't come into a debate uneducated saying that there is "proof from your online studies" or whatever nonsense, you fucking nerd. Most of the guys on here realize that online dating is a joke anyways. Girls go on there who have daddy issues and drug problems and yes, are extremely superficial. If you would actually GO OUT and talk to women, you would maybe be able to give them a chance to get to know you so they can see that there is more than what meets the eye. Of course with you, I'm not to sure much more exists. Your inside seems about as ugly and hideous as your outside. I'd suggest you fix yourself.

Just shut the fuck up. Stick with your whores and porn and complain to them about how ugly you are and how bad your life sucks. Don't even bother responding to this trying to get a response out of me... I'm done trying to get through to you. I honestly try and help everyone... But you... are completely HOPELESS. Until you decide you want to fix your NEGATIVE, FUCKED UP, state of mind, you will remain miserable.

Good day to you.

What the fuck are you still doing here? I thought I told you to go fuck your mother...

Seriously man, nobody gives a rat's ass about what you are trying to "expose." So get out of here.

You talk about "living in a fantasy world" because it's only a fantasy to YOU tools. You keep saying "the only thing that matters is looks." Cool. Believe whatever you want to believe. Seriously. ITS YOUR REALITY!!! Reality is subjective. Your beliefs are your own. I don't know how else to get that through your head because your skull is so damn thick, it's constricting your sad excuse of a brain.

You can sit here and say "looks are the only thing that matters" all you want, but myself and plenty of other guys on this forum and who are into pick up, have pulled girls that you would consider "too attractive" for. So there is your proof that your "studies" are flawed. Even if you see pictures or videos... You just say they are fake. So what's the use of trying to argue?

You treat your PUA hate forum as some type of cult or group. That's sad. Atleast you have something to be a part of I guess. That's not how the pick up community is. There is more to life than "pick up" yet you have all this "pill" jargon and sound like a complete LOSER. You've got the wrong idea about pick up. There is no "special pill" that you take and all of the sudden you become this ultimate mack with women. It doesn't work like that. Pulling women is a skill... Just like ANY other skill you want to develop in life, it takes practice and repetition and GUIDANCE from other people. If you don't believe it's a "skill," why is it that I can pull women and you can't? Seriously... Why is that? I am nothing special. Me and you are both cut from the same cloth. Yet you lose and I win. Answer that one for me, dick lips...

The same way that women see talking to men as something that is a skill. There are more dating and relationship help forums and magazines out there for women than you could ever even imagine. Maybe go grocery shopping with mommy next time she buys food for you and take a look by the cashier at the store. THAT'S ALL YOU WILL SEE!! DATING HELP! FOR WOMEN! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT SHIT?!?! Read those magazines! Look at what women are reading!! You're fucking dense. You come up with all these excuses because you can't do something so you feel better about yourself... Then you come on here trying to make other people feel as bad as you do. You low life.

Learn to understand women if you want to talk about what they do and don't find attractive. Don't come into a debate uneducated saying that there is "proof from your online studies" or whatever nonsense, you fucking nerd. Most of the guys on here realize that online dating is a joke anyways. Girls go on there who have daddy issues and drug problems and yes, are extremely superficial. If you would actually GO OUT and talk to women, you would maybe be able to give them a chance to get to know you so they can see that there is more than what meets the eye. Of course with you, I'm not to sure much more exists. Your inside seems about as ugly and hideous as your outside. I'd suggest you fix yourself.

Just shut the fuck up. Stick with your whores and porn and complain to them about how ugly you are and how bad your life sucks. Don't even bother responding to this trying to get a response out of me... I'm done trying to get through to you. I honestly try and help everyone... But you... are completely HOPELESS. Until you decide you want to fix your NEGATIVE, FUCKED UP, state of mind, you will remain miserable.

Good day to you.

Most PUAs say you need average looks, not below average to fuck.

I consider myself an average looking guy but PU has helped tremendous amounts. If you look at Gambler or Style you'll see the transformation they went through. Gambler was a pimply nerd and Style was just a loser who may aswell have been a troll living in his parents basement. PUA isn't about fucking women, it's a lifestyle, it's a way to improve your life and, as a result, fuck women. It's about accepting your limits where you can't contend with others and where else you can improve. It's about your confidence. The way to get confident is knowing your strengths and weaknesses. Think about it, if you're one ugly mother fucker but you know you can make a woman orgasm like no other guy has made her orgasm before you're going to be confident. Weakness... Strength. "Sure i'm ugly, but can that guy fuck you and give you multiple orgasms like I can?"

When you're confident you show people you have strengths. If you're ugly and confident you're either doing well in life or you're sure of yourself in some other shape or form. Women see this they lower their guard because of the aura of confidence around you and become more prone to sexual interaction with you.

You must lack confidence unless you have a physical deformity that's just too hard for a woman to get over. If you're not good looking don't go near online fuck sites because the only time a woman will give you there is the two seconds it takes to glance at your picture. If that's the case you need to go out and play the game.

The most accurate predictor of females achieving orgasm is if their mate is physically attractive or not:

http://www.putslab.psu.edu/pdfs/Puts...ers_orgasm.pdf

http://www.uni-kassel.de/fb4/psychol...e%20orgasm.pdf

http://www.toddkshackelford.com/down...rd-HN-2000.pdf

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...51773540,d.aWM

Um no. It's sexual arousal to be exact. Sexual arousal could be from a number of things, not just physical attraction. Physical attraction can be helpful but not a must. By that logic a woman couldn't orgasm using a vibrator or dildo.

Not a huge number of women orgasm during sex, but they do with attractive men.

It all comes down to how they themselves know their body, how mentally prepared they are to really get into it and how well the man knows the womans body. If a woman is uneasy she will find it harder to orgasm. Fact.

Being attractive doesn't play into that and for the most part we have sex with the lights off yet we still orgasm.

A woman who knows how to make herself orgasm will be able to orgasm from any mans cock once it's big enough to hit the right spot. Doing the work yourself gets you mentally prepped for it. Ever try orgasm just by sitting there and having a woman bounce up and down on your dick? Takes a lot longer than it would if you were to bend her over and start fucking her yourself with her simply assuming the position. The same applies for women.

There are endless seas of women online complaining about their sex life and saying that they've tried every position, and I just posted scientific links showing that attractive men make women orgasm more. Why deny it? Why can't you just accept the truth. Some people just have a huge genetic advantage with things in life. Some people are smarter, some people are better at sport, some people are quicker witted, some people are simply MORE ATTRACTIVE AND THEREFORE ELICIT RESPONSES IN WOMEN THAT MOST GUYS CAN'T.

Not a huge number of women orgasm during sex, but they do with attractive men.

behavior and experience matter a lot, and I love reading interesting legit input on the game from honest and intelligent guys. However looks money and status reign supreme and you have to deal with it instead of blue pilling yourself further with self-esteem tapes.

Legit slayers don't pick up hotties from asking them where to find shoes for their little sister at the mall. They stare at every piece of ass in the room, and they attack everything that gives them IOI's (the looking back or actually making the first move if you are that good-looking/socially proofed). The guys you call the naturals never had to worry about their approach angle or how they had to hold their drink on the dancefloor. They were the cool guys because of their looks and status/popularity and they capitalized on it.

Just because you linked some half assed, bias "links" doesn't make them a source worth quoting or even a source worth clicking on.

I know about this topic and many topics to do with the mind and human behaviour. I've studied it for years in college and been required to study many neurological experiments linked to sexual arousal and exactly what happens in the brain during an orgasm from both male and females not to mention sexual arousal. What i've said is correct.

No, you don't pick up women asking about shoes. You pick women up by being confident, not afraid to talk to them and escalate to something that you both would like to do together like getting to know one another. Openers aren't be all end all into a womans pants, they're just what they are: Openers. They're just an excuse to talk to someone and a means to get over Approach Anxiety.

Lol, "half-assed links". Yeh, science is all baloney and conspiritorial. I'm sure you'd be the first to post a link to a scientific study that was consistent with your beliefs (which there aren't).

Also, I love all these convenient anecdotes:
"Oh yeh, bro, I have no problem with ladies and I'm not that good looking."
"I have a short friend and he gets tonnes of girls."
"Oh I just so happened to study female sexuality...fancy that."

I'm just going to ignore them as they have no veracity and are thrown about everywhere.
You claiming PUAs don't claim looks don't matter?????

Watch this from 1:30 - 2:00 and tell me again that the PUA scene doesn't say looks don't matter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apEoEbyIEO8

Having fun arguing this on a Friday? Why aren't these skills getting you laid? Why are you browsing these forums? You've been doing this for 5 years at least.

Actually, these studies generally tend to be full of made up statistics, at least to do with psychology and generally are not far reaching. For one a lot of studies will take a crop of about 2,000. If they're not made up on the spot they were specific to one area or one city. There's been a lot of criticism over this practice.

As was already mentioned you can link studies on how attractive men are needed to keep a relationship going or whatever you're forcing on everyone but you can read many more which will state you do not need to be attractive but there are many other characteristics that play a part in it.

I don't know if this was pointed at me specifically but...
No problem with ladies? Man, only yesterday I was talking about how I lost my frame and wasn't approaching any women. Nor had I for about two weeks. I'm not gonna lie about shit for some aggro guy on the interwebz.
I don't know about the Short Friend business...
Actually, it's called psychology. We had to study many subjects one of which was neurology and various experiments on the human brain. Orgasms is a hot topic right now in neurology/neuropsychology, scientists are trying to figure out exactly what goes on in the brain and which parts are active and to what extent.

I watched your link. Did you watch it? He does not say being attractive won't help. He specifically says being attractive WILL help you and will give you a boot up. He's just said you don't need to be the most attractive man in the club to pick up a woman and if you're stuck up on looks you need to kick yourself, essentially.

Mmm, I've been at it for five years? How about three months, then an LTR for nine months and just getting back into it?

Hey man, i'm average looking. I could stand to lose weight, i'm not gonna dull shit down or lie to prove any points. As soon as I changed my outlook on things and started following this shit things changed. I became happier, I started working out, going out, being more sociable and opening my social circle. When I started off I started strong, got a bunch of numbers, k-closes and a few offers for f-closing but i'm not gonna lie about the f-close offers, they weren't pretty which is why it stayed at the offer level.

What i'm saying is there's many more attractive men out there but I still picked up HB7-8s after a week of being back into PU and getting the odd HB9. How you hold yourself and how people perceive you are hugely important. Looks will give you an edge but if, as was mentioned in the video, you're attractive but a "chode" you'll still get lucky but you won't get as many women as the average looking guy who can speak to women and looks much more comfortable and confident than you.

Also, stop being so aggro bro. Chill.