So I've been trying various popular routines from popular PUA's like style and gambler, and trying their entire programs to see if it could ever change my situation. I'm overweight, but I've lost 40 lbs in the last 7 months. But I'm really starting to think that it just is NOT possible to get any girl if you have the slightest chub on you... I'm starting to become an asshole and I can feel it in me because I have these re-occuring thoughts in my head that push me to seclude myself from everything and everyone, work-out, get a killer body while saving up loads of money then being an asshole to every woman I get with. I don't want to end up hating women because I love them, but this is getting out of control. I just turned 20, still virgin, never had a gf/relationship that wasn't a complete joke. Never even been on a fucking date...

I use almost every dating site out there, to no results... I feel like at this rate, I'll just end up becoming this extreme womanizer that lures women with good looks, money, status. Sleeps with them. Then treat them like nothing for never having me before I became nearly flawless...

What should I do? I can't find a single routine or program that will work for me or help me in the slightest... I don't fucking understand women...

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There's something wrong with the title of your thread. If you're expecting a hot and beautiful girl to be riding on a white horse and save you from sinking into this deep shit, then you got it all wrong dude. A lady in shining white armor isn't going to go horseback riding on your cock unless you sarge her properly.

You have a very feminine frame of mind. You have essentially reversed your gender role. Feminine women are attracted to masculine men; and feminine women abound. On the other hand, masculine women are few and far between while effeminate men lurk around in this forum a lot.

Get more masculine influences in your life with positive outlooks. Find supportive posters like Raiden2k2 at the PUA Lounge or Majikal who'll kick your butt so you'll get your sarging life going.

When you say you have tried most PUA material out there, how many women did you ACTUALLY approached every day, hmm?

I love women. They're cute, warm human beings. Wet, warm, pulsating pussies feel great on your cock as these suck out every little drop of your semen. Women clean the house much better, do the laundry better, and do a lot of other things much better than men.

When they laugh and giggle, those are some of the most beautiful things that the Pastafarian God (may peace always surround his name and good tidings emanate from his teachings) created. When they hug you and do some push/pull on you, those are some of the most exhilarating things around second best only to a kick boxing match with someone bigger and more stronger than you are.

In short, don't give us bullshit excuses why you're NOT approaching any woman at all.

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In the past 4 months, I must've approached at least 40 girls. Online approach, more than a 100.

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I PM'ed you .. let me know if it doesn't arrive.. I am sure if it doesn't arrive you can find a way to reach me...

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Well, if you want to understand women, you have to interact with alot of them. No matter what book or DVD you buy, it won't make a difference. In order to truly understand something, you have to experience first hand. This would be like reading a book written by Michael Jordan, never touching a basketball in your life, then expecting to win an NBA Championship. (but blaming Jordan because you didn't) Things don't work that way man. This is a skill. It's not a special pill that you take and all the sudden you are picking up more hoes than a WNBA Draft.
This is not enough. You need to be talking to more girls than this. "Online Approaches" aren't approaches. That is you being too lazy to go out and actually do it. I don't want to hear the whole "I don't have time" bullshit because if you REALLY want to get good, you will go out and put in the time. You may have to put things on hold. But if this is something that is important to you, find a way to make it happen. The tools for you to become successful are out there.

Game is built off of reference experiences. The more you do something, the better you get at it. If you know how to act in one situation, your brain will retain that knowledge into your subconscious so you can use that reference to act the same (or differently) in a similar situation in the future. Example: first time you touched fire... You burnt yourself. You don't touch fire again. No matter how many people have told you "don't touch fire or else you will burn yourself" wouldn't matter if you didn't know for yourself that "yes. fire is hot. I shouldn't touch it."

And as far as 40 girls you've approached in 4 MONTHS!! Man, that's nothing. You should be approaching as many girls as you can. Going out as often as you can. Students on my Boot Camps will approach 30-40 girls in a NIGHT. You did it over 4 months. If you would put in the effort more than 2 girls in a weekend, you would get better. The more reference experiences you collect in a shorter amount of time, the quicker you will get better.

The key is to keep going. You are going to get rejected ALOT. If you want to count the number of "approaches" I've made, its probably over 10,000. And I haven't had sex with NEAR that many girls. Rejection is a huge part of getting good at pick up. It allows you to change yourself for the next time. It's a learning experience. Don't let the rejection hurt you. If you allow your emotions to get in the way, you will give up. It's like boxing man... If you don't like getting hit, you better stay the fuck out of the ring.

Try 40 girls per weekend = you will get good.

40 girls in 4 months is just a waste of time and I bet they were half assed approaches too ,if that.

You need to hit the gym, eat correctly too. You might aswell get the rejections out of the way whilst you're not looking your best, and when you start to get into shape you will have a massive self asteem boost that will make it all seem effortless.

This will take time mate, perhaps a year of not getting laid but it is worth it.

You might want to send me a PM of what you look like to see if if there needs to be other improvements that could be solved pretty quick.

No idea how over weight you are you are and you could be wearing horrible clothes for all we know that will not help your love life.

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I'm going to give you some honest advice from someone that was in your shoes.

I'm 26, nearly 27 now. When I was your age I was in the exacts same situation. Though I might have been less chubs than you (Around that age i was probably 6'3 240-250lbs)

You have something important on your side that I didn't. I didn't discover "game" until I was around 24. I had a later start than you and in my years now I really wish I could have started around 20ish.

Why do i say that?

You're young, you just got out of highschool somewhat recently. Your not set in your "adult" life yet. Use this time to setup your future. Don't focus on girls as strongly as yourself right now. Get in college (I didn't, and it's my biggest complaint about myself), start working out if you're willing. STOP EATING JUNKFOOD. if you're overweight a great way to fix that is to simply begin buying, and cooking your own meals. It's an attractive trait (invite girls over and make them a dinner), it saves you a ton of money, and you will naturally lose weight without any real effort.

while doing that, play your game, work with different methods, learn how YOU best function in pickup. I followed "the game" nearly step by step for about 2 years and learned a lot from it, moved on to various other sources of information, tried many, found what I like, find what comes natural to me, developed my own habbits and styles. this stuff just comes from experience, the hardest part is just being willing to get rejected and having the open mind to learn, not hurt from it.

Do these things, and by the time you reach my age you'll have won the woman of your life, trust me bro, you've got this.

Splendid post ^

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You heard it straight from the man.

Great athletes always had those tough coaches and/or personal trainers who drove them to strive harder. As an amateur martial artist in the past, my best fights tend to be those fights when my coach shouted, "Destroy the motherfucker!" However, when I'm fighting without a coach backing me up, I tend to get beaten and play a lousy game.

Think about it. It might work for you.

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I'm glad I've discovered this this early, but I only "discovered it", it hasn't been as good to me as I thought it would've been, and mainly because I'm a mess. I'm 20 but still not finished high school. I'm overweight but at least I lost 40 lbs in the past 7 months, I lift 5 days a week and its the only thing going for me, those gains. I used to be 240 lbs in February. Now September I'm 200 lbs (with added muscle mass). My diet's spot on and as healthy and metabolism-quickening as it can be.

I have a hard time with rejection because I've been rejected all my life but I'm willing to change that, I just want the right guidance because "general routines" are hard to grasp for me.

But thanks a lot for your post, it motivated me fairly.

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Who do you go out with to pick up chicks?

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I mainly go alone. I had some good results/reactions when I left town to go to Toronto with about 15 friends. Every time we were at the mall I'd split and walk around and do my own thing. The fact that I was away from my city and nobody knew me made me able to overcome approach anxiety a bit better. I had a lot better reactions than I normally did. But still no success with number closing and such.

Here in this small town however, I usually go out with friends and have 1 of my buddies wingman when I approach girls at clubs.

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If you don't ask. The answer will always be NO.
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I am just going to offer you my genuine advice here! it might be against some of the "mainstream" advice, but I hope you will like it.

As many others already said, you will need to get out there and approach women. When I discovered "game" some years ago, I watched seminar after seminar and read book after book looking for the "right" method for me.. but the sad truth was that I wasn't taking REAL action with what I learned! Reading and watching seminars made me "feel" like I was taking some sort of action but I was not.

I have read a LOT of material but personal experience has been my greatest mentor; to just go out there and find what works for me!

To me, "game" is all about finding your own authentic approach to meeting and dating women. I don't use routines or openers, I just follow whatever my guts tell me and that is usually a direct approach! I consider myself good with women and I have my own authentic "seduction system", but I only developed this through personal experience. Failure after failure, that is how you get it done!

As for your fear of rejection... Realize that you can't get with all women and you are not interested in getting with all women! I have had some psychos, some "stalkers" and some un-intelligent women in my life and it just wasn't worth it man... I want women I feel excited about, and that is what approaching is all about: showing up to see if she is a girl YOU are interested in. If she rejects you, good! Now you know that you and her weren't a good match.

Change your criteria of success! Instead of feeling successful when you get a phone number, a smile or some kind of outcome, feel successful for what you do and what you are bringing to the table! Rejected? Doesn't matter as long as you SHOWED UP as a man and approached her. If you did that, then you are successful!

Regards
Andreas

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You have balls dude. That's a major strength. You have to leverage that.

I would normally advice sarging newbies to go direct game but since you're giving off a feminine vibe, I would recommend indirect game until you have learned to be more masculine.

The reason why you're still not having any success with number closing is that you are still not well calibrated with your techniques. An average of ten approaches a month is not enough to sharpen your skills or make you well calibrated.

Listen. Try to find a room for transients in Toronto, something that you can afford and where the crime rate is very low, and then book it up for two days. Next, make those 48 hours count. Sarge 10 women for every 30 minutes (3 minutes per woman) and then take 30 minutes off to analyze your sarge. After your analysis, sarge another set of 10 women and then analyze again. Repeat ad infinitum. Do your game in the malls, parks, streets, buses and bus terminals, the wet market, groceries, restaurants, and so on. When night comes, and you have spare cash, go to a small bar and try night game.

Oh, and stay away from dangerous areas where thugs and muggers hangout. Just in case, bring along a metal Parker pen, and when you're in danger, stick it up at the guy's balls or throat.

To calibrate, I'll post a direct game approach later. Try to explore the extreme fringes of two methods (direct versus indirect) and then adjust your game where you get the most success.

Start thinking of giving girls fun instead of thinking about taking their numbers. That mindset will get you numbers and Day 2s.

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I feel the same way! I think you should change your point of view about sarging, just a little bit.
Personally I do the following things:
1-I don't go out to sarge, I go out to HAVE FUN!
2-When I approach people I do that to share and increase the fun I'm having.
3-Of course I tend to approach groups with girls I find attractive, but when I talk to them I never think about getting their number or thinks like that, I do that when I'm about to leave. The funny thing is that sometimes (let's say 4 out of ten), when we had a lot of fun, they ask for my number before me.
4-I truly believe I'm a fantastic person (just as anybody out there, but I'm myself, and there's only one me in the entire world), so if I get rejected it just means that the one who did can't handle me, I'm just too much for her!