Hey everyone. I am not new to PUA, but I am far from being a master PUA or anything. I have run into a problem with a HB I have been gaming and could really use some help: We met at my buddy's birthday party (which was at a club) Lots of flirting, I negged her and she was constantly qualifying herself, we had an insta date at an all night coffee bar not far from the club, there was some KINO and I was able to number close and k-close. Later on she called me and I successful set up Day 2, which went fantastic, there was lots more KINO and I kissed her again. She wanted to set up another date right away but I didn't want to make her think I was too available so I told her I was busy the following week but I would call her later and we would set something up. That night I accepted her friend request Facebook and I posted a DHV story as a status update. Over the next few days I posted pictures of me out having fun (dancing at a club, biking, playing co-ed sports etc.) and mentioned other girls in my Facebook status updates. When she texted me I wouldn't answer right away and when she called I would keep it short by saying I had somewhere to go (eg: Me and some girls I know are going out dancing) All this was to show her I could have fun without her, have an exciting life that she would be lucky to be a part of, have lots of other girls who want me, and that I am the prize. She called me to ask if I wanted to go out on another date and I pretended I was busy but could squeeze her in. We went out, more KINO and some making out. Again when she wanted to set up another date right away I said I was busy but would let her know when I was free. After that every time we talked/texted/Facebooked she would want to hang out but I would subtly let her know how busy I was. It seemed to work because later after all this my buddy told me she had told him she was REALLY interested in me.

So we set up another date. But the night of the date she wanted to "pack it in early" because she had to get up early for work. I was perplexed by this because she had seemed so interested but I pretended it was no big deal and agreed. Another kiss and we made out some more, however I decided a freeze-out was in order and that I would up the jealously routine. I posted a few pics of my partying with other HB's from the club and mentioned girls in my Facebook status. Didn't initiate contact with her at all. This is where it all went sideways and I have no idea what happened. More than a week passed with no contact from her at all, which was really weird as she was always texting me throughout the day and sending me Facebook messages, as well as calling every 2 or 3 days. Not wanting to just call and hand her all the power I decided to start small by poking her on Facebook or posting one word on her wall. However when I logged on I saw she had un-friended me. I called but the number was no longer in service. Same when I texted her. I asked my buddy what was going on and he told me that he had asked her how it was going with me (after she flaked on our date) and she responded "He's not really interested. He hasn't called/texted in over a week, he never seemed to have time for me and there were always a ton of other girls around him, many of whom he was eager to spend time with. I don't chase guys. So even though I was super interested I'm just going to chalk it up as a loss." My buddy said something along the lines of that's too bad and she replied "No worries. You can't win them all. Besides I have a date with *otherguy* tomorrow. He is showing more interest." Buddy also told me she had gotten a new phone/phone number and that's why I was getting the whole number is no longer in service thing.

Please help! It seems my gaming/freeze-out/jealously routine has had the opposite effect as what I intended. With every other girl I have ever gamed this part has always worked *PERFECTLY* (even if it didn't work out for other reasons) I know otherguy, he has no game, is only average in looks and has a crappy job, crappy car, no style, is barely in shape and has no social proof. I have no idea why the jealously routine didn't work this time and why she is choosing him over me, and my buddy and other PUA friends don't either. More importantly I have no idea how to get her away from him and interested in me again. A group of us is going out to the club and she will be there and I want to know from more experienced PUA's what I can do to get her hooked again. Help!

(btw to all those who read my whole post I really appreciate it)

Not all girls are the same bro...all those meetups and you never even fucked her, why exactly is she suppose to be pining over you again? I know at first its cool to play mr "so much going on" guy but you seemed to be over doing it. Who knows maybe the reason she was so eager to meet up again immediately after a hang out was cause she wanted to take you back and rock your world.

Maybe this bit works on insecure girls but she seems like a strong minded chick and like she even said she doesn't chase guys .So maybe next time stop blowing girls off so much to look cool.

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I agree, she's too mature to play those games - and probably has healthy self esteem.
Her reason to wanting to have an early night sounds quite legit too. You've just overdone your routines - move on to the next one. Without wanting to diss you, it is awesome to see there are still quality girls around...

High value comes from within anyways. A real high value guy is too high value to even spend time high-valuing himself with pics on facebook

You messed up on three things.

1) You punished her for good behavior. Why did you freeze her out after a makeout session? Freeze outs is for punishing her for bad behavior, ex. when she DOESN'T make out with you, or when she shows some aggressive LMR.

2) Since you've brought the girl into the comfort stage, why did you continue to create the jealousy plot? Things like negs, preselection switches, and jealousy plotlines ENDS when you move from the attraction stages into comfort building stages. During the comfort stages, freeze-outs are used to punish bad behavior, NOT negs or jealousy plotlines.

3) Your Facebook add also screwed you over. You also mentioned you had a DHV story as the first facebook status. That part is good, but then you said you mentioned girls on status updates and posted pictures of girls and you partying? This is the same as #2. You're in the comfort stages. Preselection and jealousy plots should not be here. It's OK to post pics of you with girls to show you're a good social guy because it also creates mystery and you're not really implying that you're sleeping with all of them. But as a status update ("I was with these chicks at this party!") it seems like you're showboating and being disrespectful.

Hey mate I don't think a freeze-out was necessary it sounded like she had a legit reason for "packing it in " early. When it comes to building value don't try and build it with fb posts. I've never heard of that going well and imo it looks like you're trying too hard. Last weekend I went out with this girl we went to this fairly new resteraunt/bar it was full with a line out the door. Anyway I had been there a few times before, and just being my social self and talking with bartenders,waitresses I got to be friends with them. Anyway we're walking up she says we're gonna be waiting forever I didn't say anything cut past the line slapped 5's with some of the waiters hugged one of the waitresses got a seat head bartender came over and said hi. After we get seated girl I was with says wow that was impressive. Value is increased date is impressed and the only routine I used was being myself. Moral of the story is don't try and build value through fb posts, build your value by being the cool interesting guy that girls and guys for that matter wanna get to know. That's real value. Another thing that jumped out at me is you told her you were busy but then posted pics of you partying and posted about other girls. She probably took it as you blowing her off to go and party. As another poster stated that may work with low self esteem girls, but this girl sounds like she had her head screwed on tight.

sounds like this girl has high self esteem.

Your problem is simple - This chick is way smarter than you. You went WAY overboard with playing games, and she called you out on your shit and now your pretty much screwed. You can't fake being a high value male to top tier girls, you have to actually be high value or incredibility skilled - something you already admitted you are not.

I agree with this post. I've canned girls for playing games before. There are plenty of threads on here with guys thinking that a girl is playing games with them. A lot of times the advice that's given is to dump and move on. It sounds like that's what she did with you. One thing you can take away from this is that games and routines aren't nessecary if you're a genuinely high value person, and in this situation they weren't nessecary at all. All you have to do to not appear needy is be less invested in her and the relationship then she is in you. Which it sounded like you did, but then went overboard with the fb games. From what I can tell that was the breaking point for her she saw through it and moved on.