Semantics. Sleeping with the same woman over and over many times and an LTR are more or less the same thing. A nice saying I saw somewhere: "If you have to resort to semantics to win an argument, you already lost."

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Ok, again fighting for fighting, dude is ok to say, yea i am wrong, and i have no idea what i am talking about... Instead of going on and on about none sense... God! this fucking forum sucks dick"
^ By the way Kasabi is not even making this point, and at this point you are not contributing to the discussion, or helping kasabi...Here learn something, i had many fuck buddies for years that were not a long term relationship (and before you come at me i have been in a Oltr for almost 7 years now)


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Semantics again man ... No I am not "wrong" You have experience with the same woman over many years, that is very similar to an LTR, I really don't care about all these semantic differences in various forms of relationships. I have been in an LTR, am currently kind of in an OLTR, or whatever the fuck you want to call it, who cares. What I'm talking about are guys who think because they had 200 one night stands, never sleeping with a woman more than once or twice, they have a fucking clue about women sexually. And they don't. I don't know/care about kasabi one way or the other, maybe I misread through all the quotes of quotes who said what.

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I forget whether the poet guy PM'd me his request for help or if it was written in a thread. Maybe 2 years ago . . . after a chat about his natural body staring thread. Either way, his response was as it is now. He probably asked for help because he was getting laid so much but had trouble with the 283rd girl of the year.

@Poetguy:

1. I thought you were done with this thread?
2. I think I understand your hissy fit (this is certainly not your first time) . . . but I do not think you understand the significance of your habitual instinct to:
^This is an extremely unproductive habit in pick up, social, professional . . . well, for pretty much everything in life.

@360. Yes, I understand you dance and grind. I meant offer some examples of what goes on in a relationship . . .as you've had some. None of these kids have. In fact, it's becoming glaringly clear that they do not converse with many people in general, even males. . . *Those other guys don't get any shit because they simply laugh at idiocy and keep it to themselves. I'd rather expose it and share with others in this forum as an example of what NOT TO DO.

@Fury and 360. What the hell do you think you're doing? You either troll/online battle with me in this thread or you create your own thread! Seriously though . . . 360, YOU HAVE BEEN in long term relationships. This means that you did not dance and grind every time you got a sick blowjob. You did not 'game' your girlfriend/wife every time she fucked your brains out. I think you already experienced all of this . . . but you just haven't explained it in written form. It happens. . . I know it did with you because this is simply the nature of courtship. I'd just like a few people who have actually been with women to explain their history. This happens. Some days, she fucks your brains out. Other days, not so much. . . what happened preceding to those nights?

What I am suggesting is that there are things you did, (whether you realized it or not) that made her that way. There are things that turned her on. And in a few days, I will share it with you. . . and I am willing to bet that anybody who has had this type of experience will think, "You know . .. you're right. . . that is what happened on those nights." - and the premise of this entire thread is that WE CAN CREATE similar dynamics in pick up situations for our benefit. This is a simple, suggestion thread gone wrong by a bunch of needle dicks who have never had a conversation with women ever.

I have written about this topic in another thread but feel compelled to share again in this thread due to a few fucktards who will never accomplish anything in life. (Who for some amazing reason, seems to have some referent power in this forum) Other members, especially the young kids looking for a job, read this carefully:

During the hiring process of our 5 mil start-up few years back, we engaged in a 2 tier interview process. The first part is purely conversational. We ask about certain problems . . . and how they would solve them. We ask about their work history . . . and we ask about how they tackle problems. What they don't know is that we do not give a fuck about what they say in terms of their technical know-how. For that, we will test them later. . . For now, all we want to figure out is whether these candidates will get-along. Do they have the drive to learn? Can they function with others?

After this initial process, we take them to the whiteboard. We GIVE THEM PROBLEM SETS to solve; this is the second tier.

*After interviewing hundreds, I can tell you that ANYBODY who boast about their abilities during the initial phase AlWAYS fail with their practical. "I am this. I am that. I would do it this way and that way. . . " - OK. . . let's see it! - These are the kids who flip the whiteboard 10 times and walk away with black-purple stains on their hands from wiping away all their crap.

**Every once in a while, you get some quiet kid who just talks about a few experiences and how he ran into issues and he doesn't know know much about our technology. . . and he solves the problem set in 4 lines in ways that even impresses our engineers.

In my experience any way, there is an inverse relationship with "ability" vs. "boasting". For the fuckard idiots who will never accomplish anything in life, including pick up, this might be too late. To the rest, try to understand what this is all about. Try to understand that women are attracted to success + abilities to succeed. Try to understand that one attracts others, the other repels others.

The kicker: We always tell told ourselves that if a candidate had at least ONE of the two THINGS. . . meaning, the ability to get along + willingness to learn OR actual ability, we'd hire them. . . these people do not exist. It's always all of these things or nothing. . . and let's bring this all back to PU because this is a PU forum after all . . . women can sniff all of this right away. They can tell whether you are a masturbating monkey or a guy who's got the fucking balls.

I see my behavior and I apologize... I am sorry for acting the way I have.. It was irrational and immature.

I extend my sincerest apologies for my lack of emotional control.... You are correct about my retarded boasting...

Peace and Love,

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Surprised how few people have been in relationships. Relationships with women are where you can truly learn about women, how to behave as a man and be comfortable as yourself around women. You cant really know unless you have been in them, you cant learn it in a book or on a ONS.

With pick up all you really learn is what works to get laid. So if you master this, you can claim that all you want is to get laid, but maybe its because you have no idea what to do next, or you are insecure. The one thing I've learnt, if you are actually pulling quality women consistently, then soon enough one will come along that you will want to see more of. how can you not?? If you meet a girl that ticks all of the boxes you wouldn't want to let her go. One will eventually get under your skin and stick for a while.

Pick up wont teach you how to keep a girlfriend, so some people just wont go there out of fear that it will leave you vulnerable. Pick up goes out the window when you meet her family, take the dog for a walk and everything you do together as a couple. Thats where you just need to be a man and let her be a woman as Kasabi describes.

I know this because when I was first learning pickup back in 2008 as a teenager I got a girlfriend in no time, needless to say it didn't work out because I was young, immature and no way 'a man' yet. it was a painful but great learning curve on what it takes to actually make a great boyfriend and make a girl happy.

I feel sorry for those people who havent learnt this yet. I hope you do get to experience many great LTR's in your time. Im still young and have slept with plenty of women (I am tempted to go into figures but after kasabi's i fuck. i fuck. post its best not to), but Ive also been in 3 LTR's. From those 3 relationships Ive learnt more than every ONS combined. I have lots to learn still and come on here from time to time asking questions in the general questions. The problem lately, a lot of the time I have to filter out the virgins responses who think they know everything, but sadly they know close to nothing, and they are so easy to pick, but when someone like kasabi offers his advice, you listen.

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You guys spend too much time trying to win message board wars.

A recent second date: The fact that she came out for lunch with me makes me believe that she likes me already; and the fact that I asked her conveys to her I'm interested. No need for any monkey act. Started off from her place arm in arm, chatted, relaxed, shared food like we have been couples for long. Walked her back to her house, went through her bookshelf, showed genuine interest in her interests and led from there....

#2 has worked for me in the past but I realized that the style attracts younger immature women or highly emotional ones - not the kind I enjoy being around for long. An emotionally mature woman with her life together seldom falls for this tactic; but again I don't know much about pick up or everything about women.

+1. Glad to see I am not the only person who realizes the major flaws in these studies, and that these studies hellhound links to are completely useless for actual pickup, for the most part.

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^ Yes! that can be summarize " a rich man does not have to say he is rich"... Or a great fighter does not go to a bar picking up fights.. Or a successful corporate executive/ceo does not have to remind people all the time that he is a successful corporate ceo(is the same as i fuck i fuck i fuck).... But anyways Kasabi, Just like science does not translate that well to pick up, a lot of the corporate stuff, other than sales, persuasion and leadership does not translate that well into actual pick up. Women are attracted to all types of different things, but i will agree if you are not successful, if you show the ability to succeed that will work specially when it comes to ltr(that is the card i play lol). But the reason we have so many disagreements in the past is cause you want to compare a lot of your successes in the corporate to pick up... Which is not different of what Hobbit is saying that he was really successful with science and realize that bringing it to pick up does not translate well(though i was a dick in his causation/correlation post and is one of the post i go back most of the time when arguing with a mental masturbator and i tell them causation/correlation and why). But most of these stuff is more for the building and attractive lifestyle section of the forum, showing how to succeed in the corporate world. To make point i usually post videos, not cause i endorse the "guru" but when i see something i can relate, this point i am making is explained in this video:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKoJJ1UnQmI[/youtube]

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Isn`t it ironic? This topic is located at the very same section where another different one is located: "Ego Problems (fucking read this)" by Chief.

Lucky enough I just read how poetic did apologized wich makes him a better person, but honestly guys, have you read Chief`s topic?

Aren`t we falling for the same trap again with this?
Personally the topic has helped me understand a lot about some members, but nothing at all about pick up. I appreciate you guys, you all know I do and I try and show respect for you all; but seriously this topic went down after 6 or so posts.

I believe it`s not too late, I honestly believe you can still come up with a way of teaching members something out of this related to pua, and most importantly: I`m still waiting for an example of the Nº 3 tactic of pick up kasabi posted.



May be a real life example, a movie/ series character in a particular scene, may be a book character but please; illustrate me on the topic. A great way of learning to do something is watching someone else do it in front of you. If you can come up with an example and break down for me what the character/ person is doing behind all the words I`m sure I`ll improve my game and surprisingly enough some of you may do it too. Even the most experienced ones.

Just remember: Pick Up COMMUNITY, being community the key word here.

I posted examples, i guess you guys failed to see it, it was somewhere in the link when i talk about my style when doing ons... but anyways here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzo2I2glzqg[/youtube]

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When I was 11, I thought I'd could write a best seller by flipping through a thesaurus, extracting every word I could not understand, and puzzling these words together to form sentences. I had forgotten about this time in my life until I read Hellhound's replies here.

^The video. . . what the hell? Did she read my posts in this forum? . . . But seriously . . . it is interesting that we can work backwards and figure out, "Oh . . . no wonder that girl undid my belt and swallowed my cock."

Still. . .this safe and secure and emotional connected thing. . . maybe there is a universal truth after all. . .