wanted to get some more tips on how to game strippers ... following are questions which keep coming up:

1) Do you ever get a dance from a stripper who you are trying to game? Classic PUA you never are supposed to do this as you become the 'customer' .. still it makes me sort of feel bad for the target as they have to earn a living too!

2) What topics of conversation are best? I have found most strippers are into pretty straightforward entertainment .. shopping/eating out etc nothing that complex which can be a bit limiting in terms of things to discuss.

3) How to number close, when there are other strippers around / club staff who can give you hassle if they see you putting a number into your phone.

Only look them in the eyes... They never get this. Don't give them any money because then you become a customer.

Eye Contact

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Don't go to strip clubs to pull a girl.

why not mate?

I know these places are perceived to be (and lets face it are) sleazy including the ones who market themselves as being upmarket here in London .. and to be quite honest with you I don't actually enjoy lap dances very much (fake intimacy doesn't really do much for me)

BUT ...

some of these girls are beautiful, they are quite aware of their sexuality and can be a lot of fun as they don't have a lot of hang ups (I mean generally and not just in terms of sex) like some of the girls you may PU in a bar or in day game .. also once you get to know some of these girls you can be surprised by their backgrounds (esp in London where I'm based) as they live quite high end lifestyles (as 'successful' strippers earn well into six figures in C London clubs) and can be quite generous in terms of taking YOU out to places you might not go to regularly (sounds bizarre I know). also, if you go out with these girls if you get caught in the dreaded FZ (which I have before) you are giving off massive DHVs to other girls in nightclubs which is an added bonus for your game.

I'll help you out. I've had quite a bit of success with strippers.
You don't want to get a dance. Ever. Like said, you become a Yes, they are there to make a living but if they are more interested in you than they are in making money, they will make the sacrifice. Go on days that are slower (i.e. not the weekends) where she won't have to worry so much about making money. You've got to realize that these girls are genuine hustlers. They are all about their money... They still want a man though. If she is harassing you for a dance 10 minutes into the interaction... it means she is working you. She is not attracted to you. However, if she makes her rounds through the club and hits the tables, then comes back to you... You've got something.
Get completely unrealistic in your conversation. Don't talk about boring shit... Talk about you and her heisting a museum and then stealing a jet, flying it to France, selling the artwork and running from the police all around Europe. Literally, get crazy. They love it. Realize that these girls have guys telling them all the time about how they will "take her away from there" and "give her a better life." The best thing you can do is treat them like normal girls... except they are usually wayyyy cooler. Most strippers play first person shooting video games in their free time. They sit there in their bra and pajama pants with their little head sets on playing xbox live. They like all types of goofy shit. They are some really cool, down to earth girls. You would be surprised how much the statement "be yourself" holds true when talking to dancers and strippers.

Another thing you can do to... is talk about other guys. Let them know that you know what their world is like. They have guys throwing money and drugs at them all the time all because they THINK she likes them.

Then you can throw in the "stripper paradox" where you say something like this....

"You know, there is a paradox to being a dancer/stripper... you meet so many people but yet you meet noone at all. You see all of these faces but you never remember them. You ask their stories but you really don't give a shit about what they have to say. They are a customer.... But what if you met a guy from the club here that you actually like? Would it be difficult to see him as more than "just the guy from the club?"

Depending on how she responds, you can gauge her interest. This is how you rip down that stripper front that she puts up. You need to make her FEEL like she isn't at work when you are talking to her. If she says something like "well, I've dated guys from the club before and I never felt like that" then she likes you. If she says something like "I don't date customers" it means you still have some work to do.

This is always tricky. Especially if you are at a nicer club. The best thing you can do is write it down. Bring a pen with you and write it on a napkin or a dollar bill. Or, just keep your phone low. Make it discrete. I've gotten away with it plenty of times however I have also been yelled at for taking my phone out. It really all depends on what type of club you are in.

Let me know if you've got any more questions. I would be more than happy to answer them for you.

thanks for the guidance mate .. really appreciate it.

that's a good tip not to go on the busier days, especially a Saturday, as the girls are especially focused on making cash. one thing i've noticed in London anyway now is that the stripclubs have become very quiet even on a Thursday and Friday evening, which used to be full of City traders and that type of crowd a few years ago, instead you find University age AFCs as the main customers .. the recession seems to have killed the business.

question .. you say if she makes her rounds and comes BACK to talk to you, you may have got something .. is that a tactic you have used, in other words run some game on her .. let her actually go off and test her out to see if she comes back?

On the unrealistic convo .. I like this sort of fantasy talk (do these strippers like it as it takes them out of the mundane world of the club they work in?) ... any good routines you could suggest? .. I like the one about art theft but any other ideas might be goodies for the right time.

On talking about the other guys in the club .. ive always avoided this sort of chat in the past as I was taught that criticising other guys was DLVing in a normal club as a true alpha guy has no need to do this (infact I learnt to talk up guys around me esp wings) ... but in this environment does it accomplish something which may offset any negative impression created if one is created at all?

Love the paradox and definitely will throw that out to try and close if I get that far!

I've never tried this but I have a friend who did, here's what he told me:

1. Don't give her any money
2. Keep in mind that she is (just like you) a gamer. Her objective is to be nice and make you spend money (to game men) so ignore any IOI's you get early on.
3. Use (as my friend calls it) anti-stripper programming talk. In other words, get her to be herself... Not a stripper.

If you do manage to successfully game a stripper it's a huge achievement man, many people here don't realise this but it actually requires considerable skill.

Happy Hunting

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Most strippers r damaged goods.

Actually, from my experience, you are quite wrong my friend. Most strippers are actually really cool girls who have their shit together... it is their clientele who is the "damaged goods." The strippers are just smart enough to take advantage of their situation. Most guys who go into strip clubs and drop tons of money are guys that have no life, are scum bags, or aren't getting any from their wives so they go there to see some young ass.

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A lot keyboard jocking, anyways here man:

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From my experience many of them have severe familial issues and proclivities to heavy addictions including drugs and alcohol but more the former. Of course not all are like this but to my experience a lot of them are not the type of girls you'd want to have a relationship with unless you're a) a masochist or b) looking for a lay and nothing more.

I watched my best friend throw his life away with a stripper/escort/porn star. I watched her liquidate his life. Everything. She held a garage sale for the almost everything he owned. Then sold the sunglasses he was wearing. Im not sure what his soul costs but she sold that too, man. You can see it in his eyes. She jacked the last 8k in the bank, turned everything off in the house, changed the locked, and bailed with his kid while he was on a biz trip. He had like $200 in his pocket. She held important docs over his head in an attempt to extort higher child support payment. Look bro, seriously, saddest thing Ive seen. I begged him to join me in the PUA thing. Showed him my improved skills on a bday trip to the strip club. Didnt matter.... Hes lost. I think they had another kid. He hardly talks to me anymore.

Dude... Damaged goods or not these women are the best PUAs/gamers on the planet. You do it as a hobby, they do it for a living. Remember that chapter in The Game where Style and Heidi Fleiss square off? Respect the working girls game. I hated strip clubs growing up but enjoyed them after I got into PUA. I never spent much money but went with my buddy who clearly has a drinking and stripper problem. I enjoyed practicing my skills. I became desensitized to hot women. I truly enjoyed some of the convos.

I agree with all the stuff on here so far but would advise extreme caution if your inner game isnt solid.

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"Every woman's a whore in the right situation"
"They're all selling it for something"
"She's sluttier than you think she is"

Dude... Damaged goods or not these women are the best PUAs/gamers on the planet. You do it as a hobby, they do it for a living. Remember that chapter in The Game where Style and Heidi Fleiss square off? Respect the working girls game. I hated strip clubs growing up but enjoyed them after I got into PUA. I never spent much money but went with my buddy who clearly has a drinking and stripper problem. I enjoyed practicing my skills. I became desensitized to hot women. I truly enjoyed some of the convos.

I agree with all the stuff on here so far but would advise extreme caution if your inner game isnt solid.[/quote]


Truth. They are RIDICULOUSLY good gamers. They understand men and their weaknesses and prey upon them ruthlessly.

These girls are great to practise skills with as you said, game becomes faster and more fluent very quickly .. you are right though that it shouldn't be attempted if game isn't TIGHT .. as some of these girls can be bitchy if you don't give them a dance and they get frustrated at not being paid ... they can call you names, or just look disgusted and storm off. it can hit you if you care .. need to not take it personal. easier said than done I know.

This is on you friend. I never got that attitude... Im always friendly, open, non-judgmental.

I used, "Sorry sweetie, Im not the type of guy to starts things he can't finish. Plus, Im just here to supervise my boy." 60-70% of the time they would sit and have a chat...the rest they would smile and move on.

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My personal mantra:

"Every woman's a whore in the right situation"
"They're all selling it for something"
"She's sluttier than you think she is"