Well this thread was fun....

Perhaps everyone should just agree to disagree.

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I'm also really interested with your ''silent-non talking-body language leadership''

cause i'm not the really talkative guy,and your technique would be awesome for my
job,cause i'm daily dealing with the emplyee of our company(thanks to my family,i've been born as a ''spoiled brat'')

OK, WRONG AGAIN. Now would you like to shut the fuck up and ask what #3 is or would you like to continue to make an ass of yourself for a few more replies? Here's the sad kicker for you and the Hellhound boy: #3 isn't some pick up skill. It's not some made up pick up tactic. This is simply reality for people who have known women. This is what men do naturally if they have dated a few girls. There are 20 year olds who have had a few girlfriends who know exactly what #3 entails. (They might not be able to verbalize it or write it down specifically but they'll know that it exists) They'll know that on certain nights, they didn't tell their girlfriends that they were going to masturbate all over their face or do this "non verbal leadership act durh hurh, hurh" and yet their female companions were absolutely turned on and ready to fuck all night. On other nights, their female friends will tell them, "NO . . . not tonight." Date enough girls or have had a girlfriend or two for a while and most men will know ^this reality. Hell, chat with your sister or female cousin once in a while and you'd know ^this exists. Most guys figure this out. . . but of course you'd have to interact with some women first.

Yes, I am suggesting that you and Hellhound have seldom communicated with women.

And no. . . #3 isn't only "behavior". I did not write that you literally shut your mouth and offer a mime show. WTF are you kids smoking? LOL . . . I mean . . .do you actually think that an imagined non-verbal leadership mime act show has something to do with pick up? Really? You're going to stand there and offer a mime show to turn her on? If you have no fucking idea, ask. . . the most idiotic thing one can do is to pretend to know what one does not. Worse is to criticize based on ignorance.

I had thought that a guy who's been married would remember that he fucked his wife on many occasions when he didn't offer up a dance show or chat about sex. He alluded to the existence of this reality but didn't share his experience. I'm still waiting for some guy who has had girlfriend(s) to share his sexual/conversation/relationship experiences. Was this forum always this way? Was it always run by kids who have never communicated with women on a relationships/sexual level? This is wild. . .

I'm not going to ask you how to fuck women... simply because I don't think you fuck women very often... not as often as I do... so why would I take the advice of someone less sexually active unless he ends up in a relationship?

I've never been in a relationship.... this is true... I go by the motto "get in.... get out.... get on your way." I don't need to date a girl to fuck her... perhaps this is the difference between us... I guess I've simply fucked a lot more women then you (which from my standpoint seems incredibly obvious as well as hellhound and anyone else who's slept with more than 10 women)... because I never needed to take the time to invest in a "relationship" to fuck her...

I don't think you have much insight into females... you even admit it in your first post... You've been proven your wrong what 5 times in this same thread? Yet here you are... saying I'm wrong... Yeah I'm wrong about your fictitious thoughts about fucking women...

You're saying Hellhound and I haven't communicated with many women yet we are talking about using words to fuck women while you disagree with the tactic... You do realize women experience and associate words with emotions and past moments right? I guess we've communicated and understood a lil more?

Leading in a relationship has zero to do with game, you don't need game in a relationship... lol so actually hellhound was 100% correct all you did was repackage direct, indirect, and no game.... You actually said this gets you laid... I say this illustrates how little you get laid... It's like you've fucked 8 women in your life and this is how you did it.... lol... Well what if we want to fuck more than 8 women?

We're referring to leading to sex... sorry that I assumed you would understand that.... my bad... I didn't say there was no talking.... where did I say that? I said you weren't talking about sex.... DUH! Can you read? Or do you simply make assumptions? You're saying no it's not leading nonverbally... it's not mentioning sex... it's hard to explain... it's you have no fucking clue what you're talking about really... you say it's not a pick up tactic yet in your initial post you wrote there were 3 tactics... lol... are you backtracking now? Kind of idiotic to backtrack.... Damn dude... I'm seriously disappointed... I thought you had somewhere to go with this... guess not.

You do realize me and Hellhound are scientifically based... we don't theorize about women we've fucked... He even mentioned how your statement went against ovulation cycle studies and vibe theory... Yet here you are saying bull shit....

Again I'm into seduction not pick up... I want to fuck the girl not get her number.... we've talked about this already... or have a conversation... or even date her.... I want to straight out bang it out... You can't lead a woman without building a certain amount of trust... ONS is more about the sexual tension... sexual escalation... and turning her on in general (hence the use of words to help lead her thoughts)... it's about how you have her trust her lust... and act on it... How many same night lays do you have? 0? Or is it 1?

I'm not going to ask some guy who doesn't get laid how to get laid... why would I ask you? It's like you have no clue what it's like to insert cock into vagina regularly... I get laid enough... I get guys laid enough... Not sure I need you to teach me how to not get laid....

You're just embarrassing yourself and don't even realize it... sad...

You've got the right to explain how you don't get laid all you want... Explain number 3 if you want... it won't help show you get laid... it will simply show how little you do get laid... this is what many many posters believe about you who get laid... wonder why that is...

I'm done with this thread... no point in arguing with someone about getting laid who doesn't get laid (you)...

Edit: As you mentioned I had a conversation with my sister (note: I grew up with 3 sisters, no brothers... hence my insight)... She basically said you were fucking clueless... to say the least... the way a woman hooks up with a man is way different then how a woman fucks a guy she is in a relationship with (she's engaged)... yet you mentioned she ONS as the same as relationship... obviously bull shit... based off of communicating with a woman... she even gave an example of a married couple where the man would read a sexual part in a romantic novel (woman's porn) to turn her on and fuck her when she wasn't in the mood... so yeah even couples talk about sex and talk about sex to get each other turned on.... Maybe you should have a conversation with a woman, communicate with one... try fucking one... you might have clue. I've also had 15-20 very close female friends who thought the same over the years... let alone my research and fucking women myself...

Peace and Love,

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Some of what you say is true, some of what you say is not. But you guys need to drop this ovulation shit. IT SIMPLY ISN'T PRACTICAL IN PICK UP. A lot of attraction science is impractical loads of shit. I have already demonstrated this in another thread by actually dissecting two popular studies (including the most direct and popular study on ovulation and sex, Fertility in the cycle predicts women's interest in sexual opportunism (PM me if you want the study) and shown that the abstracts are completely misleading and the actual studies showed virtually NOTHING PRACTICAL. Not to mention once you discount results in these studies by confounding factors and actual ability to determine if women are ovulation it is pretty much mathematical fact that ovulation is worthless for pickup.

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In a hope to redirect the thread, and because we now have an agenda and topic within 'The man' to discuss, and I'm also interested in hearing it out to the end.

In my last LTR we barely spoke about sex, it just happened. Hang out with her friends or family, have a good time, get home, go to bed have sex. If I was to ask myself why this happened? Well the only thing I can think of is we shared an emotion that was a lot stronger than what she or I ever did or said. To take this a little further if I demonstrated the emotion I felt, it resulted in more sex than anything I could say or act out to get it.

Whether this is the answer you're looking for or not Kasabi, it's what worked for me at the time.

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Clap, clap, clap. . . although. . .

It wasn't too long ago when you spent your existence in this forum in the "Natural Section" and wrote pages, pages, upon pages of how you look at women and what every 'body language' means. Strangely enough, there was NOTHING in those pages of how you actually interact with women. And you thought that this was some sort of natural game. I called you on it; you obviously never spoke to a girl at that point in your life but you swallowed your pride and asked me for advice. YOU asked me for help with PICK UP. I forget exactly how I replied but as I remember, it was something like, "Forget everything you think you know. You have absolutely no knowledge base or experience. Shut up and start from the very beginning." - And as I remember, you took a hissy fit.

Imagine now if you heeded that advice. Imagine that you began from the very beginning. Learn how to open. . . .chat with some women. . . and actually interact with other people. . . where would you be now? Instead, you continued on with, "I know this, I know that. I know this and that." - and look where you are now. You're still here doing the same act. A virgin and a liar, pretending to know everything . . . Good grief, who made you the moderator?

And since we are here. . . I'll also address why I shot down your PM for my advice on your little "Confidence Venture". Stop looking at yourself for once and interact with others. Look OUT into the World. Who are the people who exaggerate over, over, and over again? Who are the type of people who dress their key points with endless adjectives? That's right. . . it's those who have NOTHING.

"I fuck I fuck I fuck. You don't. You don't. You don't." - Come on . . . are you retarded?
"Real Core True Center Very Cool Confidence Training." - Not only does this make me laugh, I am expecting you to offer me a set fruit peelers if I act right now.

Thanks for leaving this thread because it allows some members to discuss pick up. On the other hand, as with your "natural body language reading thread", I think you've realized you've exposed yourself a bit too much. Start from the very beginning. . . otherwise, before you know it, you'll be the virgin writing up the "I am a 38 year old . . ." thread in this forum.

^This is all I was asking for. . . some experiences. . . and what I am suggesting is that those who can learn to IDENTIFY exactly what goes on in those instances, you can recreate them for the purposes of pick up, especially during first time encounters. This is #3. . . and I have a way to identify the interactions in a tangible way so that it can be practiced over and over again.

I'm still waiting for the bumpkins to get tired their clown act. At this point, I could offer Gold bars and they'd scream that it's lead.

Now you are lying and trying to illustrate that I'm asking for help? BULL SHIT... LOL - No I asked you for help with my confidence program... thanks though... glad you are so smart... that you can't tell the difference between confidence and pick up... now in retrospect I'm not sure why I asked help for the program from a guy who isn't confident himself kind of useless...

I did describe some brief interactions but hey you're really really good at reading so you must have missed them...

Why on earth would body language thread where I teach body language need all that much on my own specific interactions... (and there was some so i'm not sure I see your point) I state in the thread that the focus is body language... hmmm wonder what the fuck you're point is. Oh yeah you even complimented the thread... hmmm... guess it does have some value...

Who said I never talked to women? This is fucking hilarious it's an all out personal attack now simply because I pointed out you don't fuck women...

Note: Where are your example interactions of fucking women and picking them up? I've never once seen one.... NOT ONCE.... lol yet... you're mentioning that here.... You know that is the sign of a liar right?

I simply couldn't help it... I tried to avoid but had no self-control since you are off lying to members that I've went to you for personal advice about pick up... That is bull shit.

I've had enough of your lies (about me and your experience with women)... enough of your personal attacks... enough of your shitty behavior...

Peace and love,

Vic

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@ hobbit: I am not into group think, if kasabi is my worst enemy(which he is not, i have no problem with him) and he says in a post 2+2=4 and i agree with him, and someone is my best friend and says 2+2=5, i have no problem coming out and speaking my mind. My opinions are my opinions and i am not big in group think and going with what is popular...

@ kasabi, dude why do i have to give examples when most of my philosophy is NO VERBAL, subcommunication...

But anyways, i give clear examples of ons, when i do what you say in number 3 here:

http://www.theskillsmethod.com/my-how-t ... -and-bars/

Also and everybody even the people arguing with you know that most communication is no verbal is all in the sub-communication, as explain in the secret society post:

http://www.theskillsmethod.com/exposing ... n-insider/




The problem with all this back and forth is that a lot of you are taking shit personal, and old wars/fights and history are coming out, since i have never been big on bickering and high school drama(unless someone like the transgender in the post, fucks with me, then he will get his ass troll), it does not affect me, as you can see, Kasabi style is a bit assholish (though he has gotten a bit better), even taking a shot at me, subtle in the post couple of times(a lot of you won't be able to see it), but i can care less. I am not defending kasabi, is just that in the forum a lot of you fight for fighting, about semantics, so i was trying to kind of set an example for the forum as showing gamenship(or however you spell it) if warped mindless or chief, ezo, 870, had written the post there would not have been 5 pages of fighting... But since kasabi has a history of nitpicking post, and taking shit out of context, now he is getting back his own medicine. With that being said, a lot arguing about nothing..... He is basically saying same shit the most popular author 60 yoc kind of says... out!

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To the guys who have not had an LTR.. Sorry, you could fuck a thousand women but you do not know women sexually until you have been in an LTR. This I agree w/Kasabi on.

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^ this is none sense, do you have any factual evidence???

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Factual? I'm sorry but not sure how you can even have factual evidence for such a point. But it is not non-sense at all. Many of you ONS guys think you are stallions in bed because of circumstance; ONS are hot and you are always "good" in bed because the woman is super turned on in those scenarios. I know, I have had about a zillion (ok, not that many) ONS. The knowledge you get learning how to please a woman when the initial excitement of someone new is gone (from both sides) you simply cannot get easily without being in a LTR, and when you apply some of that knowledge to women who ARE excited, you will get much better in bed. But more importantly, forget about how good you are in bed, you do not really know what a woman wants, only what they want in a particular circumstance (the one night stand) and even then their messages can be mixed. For example, that is probably why hellhound thinks women want to be fucked for hours and get 10 orgasms which is not the case with almost all women. (Then again, who knows if hellhound has ever even been laid). Women can have great sex without orgasm and have bad sex where they do orgasm, just as an example.

Bottom line, you guys who have not been in an LTR (not saying you skills, saying the guys who haven't) or only act as the "lover" likely only have experience and expertise pleasing a woman in a particular situation (as the bad boy lover, as the one night stand guy, etc.) but not how to please a woman in a wider range of circumstances. You learn the whole package from being in LTRs.

Sorry for the long post.

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do you happen to know that is not only ltr, or ons, do you know that there docens of sleeping arrangements,
do you know there are guys that are not in ltr, sleeping with fuck buddies for years???? Again what you said is none sense, cool!

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