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TheFury
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Ugh. can you stop with this ovulation shit already. (1) it's hard to tell if a woman is ovulating, and (2) the actual differences in their behaviors are not nearly as large as you lead people to believe.

To the OP: This has happened to me probably 30+ times. I either ignore the comment, laugh it off, or say "of course not, I'm a good boy" or "I'm a virgin" ... it usually doesn't matter. I have REGULARLY talked about sex openly on a first date, had girls say they would never sleep with a guy on the first date and won't sleep with me tonight and they do it anyway. You just have to basically ignore it, be completely unfazed. Many times I have even convinced women to sleep with me on the first date using words and logic, believe it or not. The key is NOT to be sleazy until you are confident that you are at least getting them back to a sex location.
Yeah right. Sure is a very advanced way to seduce women. I'm a very logical dude and I'm telling you now and newbies around here that convincing women through logic will not get you their pussies.

Try kino escalation, phone sex, and sexting at the right moments.

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Hence it was written as an aside and with the believe it or not. I know it is non-standard technique, did you read the rest of the post? The point was that what they say about whether or not they will sleep with you or any shit test related to sex doesn't matter, and that you can EVEN do non-standard techniques and STILL get laid EVEN if they say they won't sleep with you.

Look. I am not outright denying that there is anything to the ovulation shit, but it is not a significant part of game, just a small improvement one can make. You are sending a message (maybe it is just your writing style?) that figuring out girls ovulation cycle is the key to game, which it simply is not, it's not even close.

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Btw, everyone should actually read that great study, because it proves my point. if you actually read it. The differences were tiny, and not even consistent with hypothesis except in ONE scenario of attractive women competing against other attractive women. Whoopdy fucking do, converting that scenario into figuring out who is ovulating and turning that into a meaningful increase in seduction percentage? LOL!!!
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I have never logically slept with woman... How does that even go?

Look, lets be rational. Your a respectable woman but you have your needs too. We seem to be having a good time tonight so logically it makes sense for you to come sleep with me.

Women don't use logic in terms of relationships and sex. If you ask a woman why they slept with a man most will say something along the lines of 'it just happened' they go with the flow of the moment.

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Clearly you didn't actually read the study. So there were results in one small subset and scenario, one that is hardly applicable in practice to anything. Jeez. I figured you just looked at the pictures and didn't actually read anything. I mean, you didn't even read my post... "except in ONE scenario."

Anyway, keep believing this stupidity.. if you really think a 25% difference in women's clothing choices while ovulating vs non-ovulating when primed with local attractive women, even ignoring all the subjectivism, small sample size, localized sample size, age, elimination of women on birth control, and other stupidity in this study, translates into ANYTHING practical when it comes to pick up you are smoking crack. I would think the much more useful results of this study is how they behave when primed with men, and guess what: NO FUCKING RESULT.

Others out there... READ the actual study, don't just look at the pictures.

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I have never logically slept with woman... How does that even go?

Look, lets be rational. Your a respectable woman but you have your needs too. We seem to be having a good time tonight so logically it makes sense for you to come sleep with me.

Women don't use logic in terms of relationships and sex. If you ask a woman why they slept with a man most will say something along the lines of 'it just happened' they go with the flow of the moment.
Guys, simple grammar here... "EVEN" "believe it or not" ... it was to emphasize a point that you can EVEN do something non standard. And fyi, how that even goes is NOTHING like what you described...

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Hence it was written as an aside and with the believe it or not. I know it is non-standard technique, did you read the rest of the post? The point was that what they say about whether or not they will sleep with you or any shit test related to sex doesn't matter, and that you can EVEN do non-standard techniques and STILL get laid EVEN if they say they won't sleep with you.

Look. I am not outright denying that there is anything to the ovulation shit, but it is not a significant part of game, just a small improvement one can make. You are sending a message (maybe it is just your writing style?) that figuring out girls ovulation cycle is the key to game, which it simply is not, it's not even close.
The key to game is understanding the human mating (courtship) process. It's about the f-close. If you can get a woman to willingly open her pussy faster and more efficiently, then that's methodical game.

These scientific studies provide the answers to WHY certain pick up techniques or methods work better than others. You can't be an artist without science to create your works of art.

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Hence it was written as an aside and with the believe it or not. I know it is non-standard technique, did you read the rest of the post? The point was that what they say about whether or not they will sleep with you or any shit test related to sex doesn't matter, and that you can EVEN do non-standard techniques and STILL get laid EVEN if they say they won't sleep with you.

Look. I am not outright denying that there is anything to the ovulation shit, but it is not a significant part of game, just a small improvement one can make. You are sending a message (maybe it is just your writing style?) that figuring out girls ovulation cycle is the key to game, which it simply is not, it's not even close.
The key to game is understanding the human mating (courtship) process. It's about the f-close. If you can get a woman to willingly open her pussy faster and more efficiently, then that's methodical game.

These scientific studies provide the answers to WHY certain pick up techniques or methods work better than others. You can't be an artist without science to create your works of art.

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I agree it is about the f-close. But the science does not provide nearly a strong enough correlation between ovulation and probability to f-close for much practical use. That is my only point.

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Clearly you didn't actually read the study. So there were results in one small subset and scenario, one that is hardly applicable in practice to anything. Jeez. I figured you just looked at the pictures and didn't actually read anything. I mean, you didn't even read my post... "except in ONE scenario."

Anyway, keep believing this stupidity.. if you really think a 25% difference in women's clothing choices while ovulating vs non-ovulating when primed with local attractive women, even ignoring all the subjectivism, small sample size, localized sample size, age, elimination of women on birth control, and other stupidity in this study, translates into ANYTHING practical when it comes to pick up you are smoking crack. I would think the much more useful results of this study is how they behave when primed with men, and guess what: NO FUCKING RESULT.

Others out there... READ the actual study, don't just look at the pictures.
Bullshit. Look at the graph. You're misinterpreting the numbers and formula.

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I agree it is about the f-close. But the science does not provide nearly a strong enough correlation between ovulation and probability to f-close for much practical use. That is my only point.
That's very flawed logic.

We're here to integrate as many useful information as much as possible to improve our personal games.

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I agree it is about the f-close. But the science does not provide nearly a strong enough correlation between ovulation and probability to f-close for much practical use. That is my only point.
That's very flawed logic.

We're here to integrate as many useful information as much as possible to improve our personal games.

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Yea, it is fine as an incremental improvement to game to try to capitalize on ovulating women, but you make it seem like the holy grail. It's not.

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Clearly you didn't actually read the study. So there were results in one small subset and scenario, one that is hardly applicable in practice to anything. Jeez. I figured you just looked at the pictures and didn't actually read anything. I mean, you didn't even read my post... "except in ONE scenario."

Anyway, keep believing this stupidity.. if you really think a 25% difference in women's clothing choices while ovulating vs non-ovulating when primed with local attractive women, even ignoring all the subjectivism, small sample size, localized sample size, age, elimination of women on birth control, and other stupidity in this study, translates into ANYTHING practical when it comes to pick up you are smoking crack. I would think the much more useful results of this study is how they behave when primed with men, and guess what: NO FUCKING RESULT.

Others out there... READ the actual study, don't just look at the pictures.
Bullshit. Look at the graph. You're misinterpreting the numbers and formula.

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Wrong. You are. Anyway. I am done responding to this thread. PM me if you want to continue the discussion.

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Yea, it is fine as an incremental improvement to game to try to capitalize on ovulating women, but you make it seem like the holy grail. It's not.
Wrong.

You failed to identify the deductive reasoning structure of the first post. It started with the sentence: "This is the beauty of learning several PUA methods and techniques." and ended with, "Turning your knowledge into hard skills and polishing these to perfection will get you laid."

Postscript not included.

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I have never logically slept with woman... How does that even go?

Look, lets be rational. Your a respectable woman but you have your needs too. We seem to be having a good time tonight so logically it makes sense for you to come sleep with me.

Women don't use logic in terms of relationships and sex. If you ask a woman why they slept with a man most will say something along the lines of 'it just happened' they go with the flow of the moment.
Guys, simple grammar here... "EVEN" "believe it or not" ... it was to emphasize a point that you can EVEN do something non standard. And fyi, how that even goes is NOTHING like what you described...
This is probably the biggest bullshit in this forum for this day.
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Ugh. can you stop with this ovulation shit already. (1) it's hard to tell if a woman is ovulating, and (2) the actual differences in their behaviors are not nearly as large as you lead people to believe.

To the OP: This has happened to me probably 30+ times. I either ignore the comment, laugh it off, or say "of course not, I'm a good boy" or "I'm a virgin" ... it usually doesn't matter. I have REGULARLY talked about sex openly on a first date, had girls say they would never sleep with a guy on the first date and won't sleep with me tonight and they do it anyway. You just have to basically ignore it, be completely unfazed. Many times I have even convinced women to sleep with me on the first date using words and logic, believe it or not. The key is NOT to be sleazy until you are confident that you are at least getting them back to a sex location.
TF implies that getting women into bed through logic is the rule rather than the exception by starting his sentence with MANY TIMES.

Take your pick guys. Get a woman into bed when she's super horny or approach any woman (horny or not) and convince her through logic to ride your cock.

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This is fucking stupid. How am I going to figure out if she is ovulating while I am in field?

It has nothing to do with convincing her on "logic." Women are emotional creatures- period.

Shouldn't the goal be to seduce women on our terms and not based on their feminine cycle?
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This is fucking stupid. How am I going to figure out if she is ovulating while I am in field?

It has nothing to do with convincing her on "logic." Women are emotional creatures- period.

Shouldn't the goal be to seduce women on our terms and not based on their feminine cycle?
I thought I was the only one lost here. I never, ever thought about going after a chick because I thought she was fricking ovulating. Go after her because she's hot and you want to fuck her. Seduce, then close. Get this "she needs to be ovulating to approach!" mentality out of your heads.
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