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Ill make this in two post... my results summary and then my approach strategy

Guestimating 150 approaches, but i make around 5 a night and go out 2-3 nights a week.

Out of those 150. id say 75 were 4 or 5/10's that i approached to build momentum or because that was what was left at 130-230. 75 were girls 6/10 and above

My results as follows
- one number and date(more coming hopefully of a 8/10). however i didnt number close her, we actually both had a profile on an online dating site and said her friends pulled her away before we exchanged numbers and she sent it to me. Which was true. a guy came over and got mad so i didnt ask

- 1 lay with a 7. and 4 dates and number, she was 8 years older so we both didnt take it serious

- 1 number and bar make out with another 7. she rejected me hard mid date.
- 1 number and 3 dates with another 7. she was a super christian so i gave up on her.

- i made out with probably with 10 less than attractive girls

- make out with a 8/10 milf

- 2 numbers of 7's that didnt follow up

and those are literally the only numbers ive gotten out of 150ish approaches. 6 numbers. granted some of those 4's and 5's i approached could of given me their numbers but i didnt ask.

but 6/75 seems like a pretty low rate. and only 3 of those 75 really went kinda well,. and only two are girls that id consider dating.

Hey, I commend your efforts. You are trying hard. Much harder than I am.... my success rate is a little higher but only when it comes to approaching and talking to them. I am super picky (too picky, I think) and don't approach more than 5 girls a week... so my results are abysmal. I haven't bedded any of them since I started forcing myself to talk to women and making an effort to get a GF/laid last month... so your results look damn good to me, you made out with what, 10 girls and even got laid man! That look good to me. Don't neg yourself.

Remember also, perseverance leads to success. It IS a numbers game... just like online dating where yuo have to send 30 messages to get 1 response. Unless you are naturally hot or super smooth, you need to learn interaction with girls the hard way.

Approach strategy

I do 3 different openers
1- Youre cute whats your name and hold out my hand for handshake
I get shot down immediately alot when i use this. this is also how ive gotten every number though
2- assumption based... " i bet you like to dance, whats your name" " i bet your a ton of fun, whats your name"
i get shot down immediately alot off of this when i use this
3- "excuse me, im new to town and want to know xyz".
use this mostly for mixed sets or large sets. i dont get shot down immediately rarely ever with this, but it has never gone anywhere

and then i go into basic small tallk conversation

if the conversation hooks,
i a)ask them to dance.
b) just keep talking if it goes well

if it doesnt hook, i just walk away.

Ive probably had 5 or 6 20 or so minute conversatoins where i didnt get a number or a dance.

the rest ended pretty short or i got one of my 6 numbers

i feel like im wasting alot of potential oppurtunities/ rui9ning my future chances with these girls by just going with my current approach. Ive read 0 pua material other than the game.

honestly, im 27. never went on an actual date with a girl until i was 23. Then i did online dating for 2 years.

i dated two 7/10s for around a month from POF
I date a 8/10 for two months off match but i ended it because she didnt want to ahve sex after 8 dates. she did let me tit fuck her.

and dated probably a dozen 5-6's for a month. 3 of them ended quite attrociously

i rarely ever get replies anymore off those sites, idk why. maybe i saturated the market lol

then i did meetup=, speed dating, and match stir events for around a year

made out with probably 10 4-6/10's

dated an 8/10 for 2 months and she ended it after 8 dates and all i got was hj's

had 3 one night stands. and two other lays that werent same day

and then i figured i pretty much have capped myself to dating 5 to 6/10's doing online dating/meetups with a rare attractive girl thrown in every 6 months and i treated her like she was my precious and i was golumn because it was so rare i even got a reply back from a girl over a 7

1. 150 approaches ain't shit sahn. Try thousands upon thousands. See if the rejection starts to beat you up then.

2. Who gives a fuck about your "average?" Ignore your batting average and keep approaching, getting the reference experience. Don't approach girls to get laid. Approach girls to get the reference experience. If you get laid, you did it right. But enjoy the process of doing it and you will be much happier with yourself overall.

Online dating doesn't work for me either. I guess I'm not hot enough. I found out the truth about those sites the hard way: I once messaged a girl but who claimed to be really good at spelling/grammar, but as usual got no response. I then took a different approach and pointed out she had a grammar mistake in her profile, but that I didn't care about a response anymore and just wanted one honest answer from her: how many guys were messaging her. This was back when I was 33 years old or so... so she was probably around 30. Probably a 7.5/10 or so. Nothing really awesome, but cute enough.

Her response was she was getting 10-20 messages a day, sometimes 20-30. Imagine going online once every other day or so and finding 50 new messages each time. Girls can be SUPER picky and select based on pictures... because they can. Even women who are a 5/10 think they are princesses and choose only the hottest guys.

So yeah, unless you are 8/10 or higher, online dating will probably suck. I have completely given up on it. In 4 months I got ONE date and she turned out to be some weirdo who couldn't look me in the eye more than twice during a 60 min coffee date.

Have you thought about day game? I don't do night game. Guess I'm too old for that crap. Plus I don't think my type of girl hangs out in bars and clubs anymore.

Oh yeah. I'm 38. I had GFs when I was 18/19 but after that it seems I just went into hibernation until I was well over 30. I don't know what I did with my life but I threw away like 15 years. So you aren't the worst out there... and I'm sure I'm not the biggest loser either, lol. At least we've touched a woman

150 approaches, don't worry about it. Do you know how many approaches the experts have done? Tens of Thousands.

Try more indirect approaches, and then escalate later rather than beginning with a compliment.


Here's an analogy I like:
Have you ever gone fishing with lures? The thing about fishing with artificial baits is that in a given circumstance, only one or two lures will work out of the hundreds in your tacklebox. To make things more complicated, you need to match your lure to a target species, and present it in the correct fashion- not too fast, not too slow.

When I was younger I couldn't catch any fish on lures. I'd cast, and cast and cast and tried so many different retrieves, but nothing would eat. I saw the pro-fisherman on TV catch big fish regularly with lures, but what was I missing? I was using the exact same lures!

Well it turns out that I was obsessed with the lure, and was not obsessed with calibrating to the cirumstances. My first few years of fishing, I seldom caught a fish on a lure, even though I casted tens of thousands of times and spend hundreds of hours on the water.

Now I understand generally what lures work in certain circumstances. It is intuitive at this point, I have an internalized fishing mind at this point, I can figure out what the fish will respond to after a while of trial and error.

Pick up isn't too much different than fishing, there is a little luck involved. You will develop an intuition for what works, and what doesn't work after a while. Every approach, you get .001% better. You may not see the matrix now, but you will get there, your spidey senses will start tingling, and you will start saying the right things at the right time.

Do more approaches, okay, that's pretty obvious. But if you are concerned about your "conversioin rate", then don't worry as much about the number of approaches and focus more on the quality of your interactions.

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hey mate,

from the info you are giving, i see many wrong things. The first is the info you are providing. Let me make a little analogy:

'I go to the gym 4 times in the week. I pick the first weights that I see, about 4 kg (I am european). I take those for warming up. I did about 15000 excercises, about 12000 with 4kg, about 2 000 with 7 kg and 1000 with 8kg. I got sore 2 times and only once i got a cramp, but only for one night. I still dont have muscles like Arnold Schwarzenegger.'

I am sorry mate, but your numbers say nothing except the fact that you put lots of effort into this and probably are willing to put in some more. That is something I can say for sure from the info that you gave and that is great, but we need more info.

I have more thoughts based on the info you gave us. Lets get started, this might sound hard, but please dont take it as a flame. I dont intend to insult.

First, from what I can read, what i am asking myself is: where is the spontanity? I mean, how can you walk up to a 4/10 and say: hey i think you are cute, what is your name? I mean, it must be dripping from you face that you dont really mean it when you say it, so you got something to hide. People tend to see right through that. If you do conversational warm-ups, make them count. By this i mean, make a real conversation about an interesting subject. You are going out to meet women, so in a way you are interested in them. Even though you are not interested the result with a particular girl, you might want to get to a real conversation. When I go to the gym and i fart 10 times in a row, i can call it a warm-up, but there will be only one muscly that is truly on temperature. You get the point i think.

This takes me to my following remark: you dont really show much empathy nor interest in the women you meet. I can be wrong, I deduct this from the info you gave. You never make a remark on how she seems to respond or in what state she was before you opened her. People's lives are timelines and when you start a conversation with a complete stranger, you might have picked out a bad time. As example (largely exaggerated): dont say: hey you look cute what is your name? to a girl that is crying in a corner. I trust you get the point. You also seem not too interested in the people you open, as you state, you go into small talk and if it doesnt catch on, you walk away. you can open with small talk, but you need to dig deeper to keep it going. The superficial impression you make, kills your interactions.

This leads me to my last point: From the info you give us, you come across as an egocentric pushy jerk, only thinking about your own pleasure. You said you got handjobs, did you return the favor? Are you so desperate for some action that you went for a titty fuck because she doesnt want sex? Did you ever do something back? It might be, and i can be terribly wrong here, but you dont mention anything about that. You seem obsessed by getting off. While it is a great motivator, you need to make sure that you have other things in life that make you happy as well. Something else that you find amusing, that is fun for you. Actually, you need to have a life so you can share it with people. That is something that attracts people.

So basically, yeah, approach more. But not only that. Puaninja made a good point: focus on the quality of the interaction more.

How? You cant make real progress if you stay on the safe side and only approach women you dont find attractive. Go for a larger spectrum. Start approaching women that you truly find attractive, that you truly find smoking hot, so when you say: I think you are cute/hot/sexy, you actually mean it! Practice and excercise need to be challenging, otherwise there is no progress.

Be interested in the persons you open. How was their day? did something special happen? how did they feel about that? And why did they feel like that? How would you feel about it when i would happen to you? OMG, you can relate your feelings with those of her...:O can you imagine? Now that is interesting conversation. This goes with together with the selfish impression you make. Show interest in other persons. Even more, give pleasure and you will receive pleasure! Get good in giving pleasure and the amounts you will get back will surprise you.

Also, the opening sentences is something you can work on. I really like the direct one, but direct will only do you good if you really mean it. Then it becomes a sincere compliment, which indicates that is only a compliment, no more no less. you dont want anything from her because you gave a compliment. You need to state what you want.
- "Hey, i think you are cute. Lets talk, i wanna know more about you." this is much better. Dont ask for her name, you aint gonna fuck a bunch of letters forming a name, you are going to fuck a person.

You assumptions also seem forced: I imagine you walking up to a 4 ton weighing sad looking bitch and you say to her: i bet you are fun, what is your name. Dont do assumptions. You do that when you talk to little children, not when you want to talk to complete adult strangers. Instead, state what you want:
you: hey, you seem like fun, i want to talk to you.

If you open with a question like: do you have a smoke, or i am new in time and i dont know where xyz is, or what time is it... you are setting up a dialog with a fixed amount of lines. It ends when you get what you ask for.

- you: what time is it?
- her: its half past fuck off.
- you: thanks, so what is your name?
- her: (where does this come from? hewanted time, he got it.. unless he used the time asking thing to break the ice... how transparant ... did he really not dare to ask my straight away?)

See? you dont get anywhere with this, because you actually already close the conversation at the time you ask your question. Usually, when you address a woman, she knows already you want something from her. Unless you ask for time, a lighter, a cigarette or directions, she kinda already knows that you find her attractive. So you might as well state your interest when you open her.

If you really dont have the balls to state your direct interest, you can use situational openers. Make a statement about the current situation. However, be careful, as those might go terribly wrong as well. I am about to end this post, as it goes on and on, but if you have more questions, shoot!

I hope it helped in a way. Good luck!


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Before i forget: try to remember your interactions. Give us conversations you had, so we can point you more into the right direction. This is the kind of information that is very usefull. Not the numbers, they only show me that you are motivated. Give us the context, the conversation, her reactions, both verbal and body language. As much details as you can, from as many interactions as you can.

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Hey man..

You're just starting out.. 150 approaching isn't shit if I'm being honest. Those are solid results for the little that you have done. Keep going. You'll get better and better.

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i guess you picked up a personal debate i have with myself all the time.

I went out with 3 girls in the past year that i went out with for around 2 months and did not have sex with. in fact thsoe are the only 3 girls ive dated with the exclusion of one girl ever.

Pretty much everyone i talk to agrees, that when you get around to hangout 7 plus and sex hasnt occured. its going pretty slow.

So, my debate is. What about the way i acted made these girls go out with me for so long and not want to escalate past handjobs. and yes i did finger them, they just refused to take off panties.

I admit that I do expect sex to occur around date 5-6. and start losing interest if it hasnt. Can they tell this expectation of sex early on but genuinely like me, and jsut want to make me wait on the longer side to makes ure i like them more than sex?

or is it because im poor at sexual escalation? im pretty much the classic kiss at the end of the 2nd date guy and dont really try to invite them to my place until the 4th date

2 of the girls escalated to handjobs before i even tit grabbed. I just could never escalate beyond that. except for the tit fuck one, but that was on st patties day and i was shit faced drunk.

i am pretty much unsure tbh

i thought about day game, but to be honest. im pretty "state" driven as im naturally introverted. so, its hard for me to walk up to an attractive girl and have a good interaction unless ive hit on another girl first. on my first interaction, i sometimes feel myself blushing, but after that i give 0 fucks.