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To our resident 15 year old virgin fruitcake:
^This is an example of an ad hominem Go ahead and do your thing. . . Google "ad hominem".
On the other hand, let's take the key words from example you pulled out of my reply:
"Nonsensical" - You have randomly offered Google search results to prove what? My initial premise is that executives are quiet in the boardroom and do not speak up much. To refute this, you tell us that they: 1. Announce things to newspapers and TV. 2. They are salesmen. . .and when that didn't fly, you copy/pasted other random shit that has nothing to do with my initial statement? (By the way, the last two articles are good. . . but go ahead actually read it; it's fun and it supports my argument.)
"Googling" - Certainly, you do this quite well.
"Maniac" - You do have excessive enthusiasm for something. . . it's just that I have no idea what? (Conservative definition of maniac)
*Since our resident 15 year old fucktard is done here, (See what I did? Ad hominem! Ad hominem!) I'd like to address the others:
1,2,3 is not ordered in the 'progress of pick up' but rather, it's simply an order of the progress of man. This is just the way it usually works for EVERYTHING in his life, not just for pick up. It's natural for a 5 year old to scream and yell at his mommy, "Look at me! Look at me! I'm shooting basketball!" In his teens, his mom might watch him play basketball and afterwards, tell the boy, "You're the best!" - and what does the teenager say, "No ma, I didn't play that well today." What happens when the boy is 30? Does he tell his ma that he is either great at basketball or not so great at it? (Even if he is an NBA player) This is simply a natural progression of life . . . some people just tend to get stuck at 1. And yeah, there's probably a lot of psychological reasons for this if you dig further but psychological research is not the intent of my initial post.
Since our fruit boy wasted 3 pages of his time rambling here but has given up on attempting to identify what actually goes on during interaction with a woman with #3 other than to label it "no game", anybody else here care to make an attempt? That is the point of this forum isn't it? To actually identify methods and then either support it or criticize it? He might not be able to describe in words (as I alluded, this is probably more difficult to explain than to actually do it) the only person in this thread who might be able to identify with it is probably 360 because he has been in long term relationships before. For the rest, don't you kids have sisters or female buddies in school you can chat with?
*Interestingly, the discussion here brings up another "mistake". I suppose it's closely related to the 'contractual nature' of man and it's that men actually believe in the face value of words. Sex = sex. No = no. Yes = yes. Fat = fat. Nice = nice. Again. . . I'd like for anybody who has EVER spent time with ANY WOMAN. Your sister, mother, girlfriend, wife, cousin. . . I mean any human being with no penis to please join the thread and share your thoughts with what is scarily looking to be, a group of kids who have never shared a conversation with any woman ever. A girl can go on and on about some bitch at her work and her stupid boss and horrible customers and it could simply mean that she had a bad conversation with her mother. And you could not say a word about sex, BJ's, or whatever it is that you kids get from porn flicks and get them ripping your shorts off simply because this is the way women communicate. Anybody care to share how you believe #3 works? (Or doesn't)
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The man.
I remember suggesting in a post while back that I almost always don't even talk about sex. There is no proposition. There is no suggestion. I believe that a few members suggested that I was a fraud and this is impossible.
Whether it's a ONS or a 2nd date, you just behave like a man. Since there are no obvious words spoken or obvious behaviors that can be described, all I can suggest is that you simply treat the girl as if you've been married to her for a year and sex on a free night after spending time together is an expected reality. You don't grovel. You don't do the masturbating monkey act. You don't test her, "So, what are you doing later?". You're not thinking of the opportune time to sneak a kiss; you don't have to steal one. If you feel like a kiss, you bring her in and kiss her. Walking her home = sex. Sharing a taxi = sex. The double hand/arm grab around your arm definitely = sex. Having a blast = sex. Going OUT TOGETHER = sex. Don't ruin a good thing by opening your mouth.
I don't see how 'the man' can be called "no game." As with the example of playing and developing basketball skills, when kid is now 30 he just
plays basketball. He's got to a level where he just knows how to do it, nothing is novel to him, he doesn't need to get recognition from his mother "look at me!!" etc. or "You're the best!" with his response "No ma, I didn't play that well today" <-I still feel this is seeking recognition. But now he's 30, he just gets on with it, he knows how to play, he knows he'll have good games and bad games.
Now back to PU, it makes sense it's development when you're new to something you seek recognition to see if you're doing it "right" = The super contract man, "I want to do this, that and everything else to you, because I think you're this and that," what this is looking for is basically the girl to say "yes you're doing this right, I'll allow you to do that" or using the basketball example to the 5 yr old, "well done son you're so good at that, keep going."
When you have some idea of it, but you're not 100% sure and feedback is still appreciated = reverse contract man. "hey no holdings hands to the third date, I can't believe you want to sleep with me tonight..." basically is asking the girl to say " no you're great, lets do it after we finish these drinks."
And the man, well similar to the NBA player he just gets on with it, he just approaches girls he know's he'll get rejected but he also knows he'll get successes; he just knows how to do it and he wants to have sex, he doesn't need to ask or get confirmation he just uses his experience of having fun, creating excitement and flirting to get her aroused and ready because that's the process in which he's learned how to do it, trimming down unnecessary stuff on the way (that is, the super contract man and the reverse contract man).
Maybe this^ wasn't explained too well by myself, but I don't see why it's such a hard concept to grasp, to anyone that's ever mastered a skill it goes in a process:
thinking>doing>being, for instance learning an instrument, as verbalised statement these sound like:
thinking="I'm learning guitar",
doing="I practice guitar but I'm not that good",
being="I'm a guitarist." Being is skilled learned that becomes unconsciously a part of you like breathing, you don't have to think about breathing, same as now you don't have to think about playing your favourite song on guitar.
CHAT
