I can approach girls with guys, girls with lots of other girls, girls looking like they are in bad moods,

however, the issue is i talk to these girls for 5-45 minutes and get absolutley nothing. time and time again. Last time i went out, i had 3 30ish minute conversationsl and got 0 numbers, 0 hookups. I dont get shut down immediately too often, which is nice lol. i normally get atleast 5 minutes.

I physically escalate some. nothing too extreme unless we are dancing. the only numbers ive gotten in the past 3 months have been off the dance floor.

here is mroe or less what i do...keep in mind i dont read pick up lol, so i just trained myself to walk up and say hi.

1) walk up and ask the girl her name
2) normally ill ask a few questions
3a) if the questions dont hook enough for me to build an interesting conversation, I normally get shut down in a few minutes
3b) if one of my first few questions hook, I have a long conversation.
4) ill use kino if the girl is standing closer to me and i dont have a huge group of her friends observing. if she is standing a bit away and talking or its more a group situation after my initial approach. i dont kino too much

5) then the conversation starts to fade. either due to her not being interested... me possibly being boring and just talking to long..... or me realizing i would never call this girl if i got her number

honestly, ive probably only asked for 1 numbers out of 100 approaches in the past two mnonths., and 5 i had danced with and kissed close first. 2 rejected me, 1 gave me her number and didnt text back.ed briefly or am currently dating.

be easy on me lol. im sure i do alot wrong as i pretty much just started by forcing myself to go say hi.

so my two questions are

1) any tips on how i can improve what i do?
2) what is the one thing you see i can go out and practice tonight. obviously im not going to be able to go out and try to redo everything right off the bat, but i feel with my lack of AA or fear of rejection, that I could go try one thing and approach 10 girls this weekend and get more comfy doing it

SAME issue here. Thanks for posting, friend from Georgia!

Sounds like you need to show them you are interested in them more. You could also have body language issues.

You are getting friendzoned.

You say you aren't afraid of rejection, so why aren't you escalating more? Why only on the dancefloor? If you like a girl you need to show sexual and/or genuine interest in her. Look her in the eyes like you want her and say "you're cute" or any number of things that say you want her (don't be crude, be confident). Tell her she has a nice ass, say you like her smile, kino more aggressively.

Ask her a question validate her response if you like it and tell her WHY you like it. You have to tell her why you like her. Relate her response back to her, not you. Tell her what her response says about the person she is. Listen to her.

You have to show them you are interested and attracted to her.

Finally, watch jarred psych's videos on escalation and showing interest. He explains it very well.

you actually have me pegged. Most girls ive dated didnt think i liked them after the first date.

I pretty much just work on having a fun conversation, but i dont complement on looks and on first dates i never go for the kiss.

pretty much every girl i get out on a date wants to go out again, but i guess they already have attraction enough to go on a date, that me not escalating doesnt matter.

Exactly man, think about this, who do you think about more, Megan Fox or that cute girl you met the other night you spent time with that showed an interest in you? Assuming your not a total mental it's that girl right? We like people who like us. Same goes for attraction.

Contrary to what many people in the community seem to say, girls WANT guys to show interest. In fact being bold and going for what you want turns them on big time. They just don't want desperate, needy and clingy guys to show interest. Girls are far more likely to forgive a bold declaration of interest (using either your body, your words or both, in fact escalating with your body whilst telling them you aren't interested is awesome IF you do it right, best to get the basics until first) than no action or declaration. In fact they will NEVER forgive you for not acting.

So yeah, a decent rant there from me. Next time you are on a date, go for it from the outset! You will make mistakes but they will teach you and eventually it will all feel natural.

I should add, if you can get girls attracted to you, show that you are attracted to them, are a man that goes for what he wants and can sexually escalate when you want to but you CHOOSE not to this puts you in the most powerful position you can imagine.

If you can do that and get girls into YOUR friendzone, whilst staying out of theirs, you can build a massive circle of female friends that can't wait to hang with you. Eventually you can go out whenever you like and be surrounded by women that want you who will fight for your attention as well as having every girl in the bar/club want you.

This is the level I want to get to but I'm way off. It really takes time and a ton of discipline. Every journey starts with a single step though!

Try having a couple of canned routines or games to play with the girls. 5 lies by Neil Strauss is always fun. You just don't want to go overboard with the routines and become an entertainer, but it will DHV for you.

Another one is touching the girl more, when I ask a girl a question, about 10 minutes into the conversation, I will reach out my hand and lightly touch her on the arm with my palm facing up.I do this very calmly and slowly. Touching means confidence in a girls eyes, so many guys are flat out afraid of touching girls.

Touching is good, massive mistake waiting 10 whole bloody minutes though!!!

Escalate from the second you open if you can. Shake hands, arm touch, touch on tha back etc etc... Don't wait 10 minutes! Make your intentions clear from the get go, it's only creepy if they give you a red light and you continue.