Based on what I read from PUAs, the techniques are supposed to enable you to pick out whichever girl you want, and make her like you. Of course they won't work 100% of the time, but this seems to be the idea. Many PUAs say they can pick up pretty much any girl they want. However, when I started actually reading about these methods and what to do, it seems like they are just about being more outgoing with girls and being able to tell if they are interested, not actually doing something to MAKE them interested in you. is this actually how it is or am I interpreting it wrong? Or is it just the methods I'm reading into? If so, can someone give me some methods that DO pretty much allow you to seduce girls and make them want you sexually instead of just approaching tons of girls and picking out the ones who happen to be interested?

I am looking into the Stealth Seduction one now. Is that one that anyone would recommend?

Most PUA things focus on switching the attraction swithes "on" in a girl, these attraction switches are all evolutionary, and in their biology. Being outgoing and funny show confidence and alpha qualities. An alpha male is the pinnacle.

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There is no magic pill. Pick-up, is and always will be, a numbers game. You figure out what type of girl you want, then you go out and meet a ton of girls until you find that type. Pick-up techniques are all about improving your odds. So now, instead of having to go out and meet 100 girls to find the one you want, somebody who's good at pick up might only have to go out and meet 5-10 girls.

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This^^^

You've also got to realize that no matter what... Some people WILL NOT LIKE YOU. There is something called "chemistry" that alot of guys in pick up overlook and get frustrated, whine, bitch and complain because they "can't get any girl they want." There is NO GUY ON THE FUCKING PLANET who can have any girl he wants. Pick up just increases your odds.

It's not really the "technique", that is doing the "pickup"...so don't fall prey to thinking that is the key to your success.

Think about it...Would YOU suddenly get attracted to a 500lb girl just because she used a particular phrase or technique on you???

Techniques and strategies are just TOOLS to help you accentuate attraction.

The bottom line is that you have to have something of value if anyone is going to find you attractive for more than a few seconds.

Maybe it's your looks...maybe it's your intelligence...maybe it's your sense of humor...maybe it's bad boy attitude.

The bottom line is that anything phony will NOT work for long. Learning different techniques can help you accentuate certain traits you have, but it's much more important to learn the psychology behind attraction and WHY certain things work.

Once you understand the neurology involved, it makes it very easy to invent your own techniques that are genuine and designed specifically to highlight your strengths.

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I think the techniques are also just ground work to help you with the other things you didn't notice before, ie signals, body language etc. They can also be a means to teach you how to think quickly on your feet which is a great trait to have. It's not like you can throw a pie in the face of the guy amogging you and then running away with the girl.

Think about it the quicker you are the more confusing you become, which makes you interesting

why do we want them? because where fucking confused about how to get them. turn the tables.

and yes this pua forum should be not only looked at for words. Neil strauss talks about how he accepted that there are some things about himself he couldn't change (small example his hair - shaved it clean and overcame his hair loss)

more than half the problems men face are that they focus way to much on there inadequacies instead of focusing on what makes them unique to a point they think they have nothing going for them (ie being the funny guy and society or family telling you funny doesn't get you laid so you get more serious and loose that personality)

keep your strengths focus on improoving your weaknesses or eliminating them as much as possible and learn to be quick witted. all a natural is is someone in the right place at the right time. It can be learned just don't use it thinking it's a crutch. naturals get used and cheated on to.

"people are spontaneous, irrational, and unpredictable"

Yes, I understand that. However, the question is how much it increases the odds. I mean, even if a guy is really good looking, he probably can't get any girl he wants. However, he will probably have tons of options and in general, even if the girl doesn't really like him, she'll enjoy the attention. If the PUA techniques can put me in that position, I would be satisfied. But if all they do is make it so that 1 out of 20 girls will like you and it will tend to be the ones who are less picky, and the rest still look at you as a loser, then that wouldn't be worth the effort for me at all. I'm not just desperately looking for sex, I actually want the satisfaction of knowing that hot girls appreciate me.

Your expectations are fair, but they also evidence an obstacle that will cripple your chances.

When you say "I want the satisfaction of knowing that hot girls appreciate me", you are showing a need for validation from women.

This many seem like human nature, but it's still a weakness in the human psyche.

If you have any neediness/desperation, it will eventually manifest itself in your words or actions.

No matter what PUA techniques you are taught, it will sabotage your results.

Here's a secret: The guy's who overcome this weakness are the ones that truly become PUAs. They are the ones that can say almost ANYTHING to a girl and make it seem like a PUA tactic.

Keep in mind...most PUA stuff is marketing hype. You may find some videos that show XYZ technique working in a hidden video, but it's really the guy's self-esteem and confidence that is pulling it off.

Anybody can mimic a technique or script, but rarely will you see identical results unless you have the basic confidence and self-esteem required to truly generate attraction.

If I were counseling you, this is the first area I would address.

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I guess that's part of the problem. I just feel like a guy who doesn't get attention from hot girls is a loser. So unless I do, I feel like a loser.

However, I have read about guys using techniques to get girls and then becoming more confident as they saw success. So does the confidence always have to come first? I just don't see myself being confident as a guy who isn't attractive to women, no matter what other successes I have in my life.

Be clever (not funny), be only half-interested, show confidence, and don't linger around for too long. In a nutshell, that's pretty much it.

I don't believe in these formulaic methods put out by "gurus" in order to sell books and seats at seminars. There is no sure-fire lines that are just going to get a girl to drop her panties for you; there are fundamental human behaviors that are considered attractive. Learn those behaviors. Make yourself into the best person you can be and I promise you that you can have damn nearany woman you want.

Hey Selassao11,

i have read some good posts already on this thread, but still, i want to give my opinion.

The PUA techniques (or most of them) do work, just not in the way you would imagine that they work. They are not like a magic wand you swing to make her ready to go. It may seem that those techniques are actually changing something in her (and i must admit, some of those 'techniques' really just try to make you believe that) but actually thhose techniques are meant to change you.

There is only one main cause/motivation for all those men here: the motivation is GETTING LAID and the cause is FEAR. And hell, most of us start with fear when we all we really want to do is bang that hot chick over there.

So minds like that of Mystery, Jeffries and Juggler (yeah yeah, even DeAngelo and many more) started thinking about ways to overcome the fear. Like genuine philosophers they tried an emperical approach to the art of seducing women and conquering that fear. They came up with tactics and stuff changing the way you would look at women, changing the way you would feel about approaching and talking to women.

But in the end, it all comes down to beat whatever fear it is you are having towards women. In the end, it all comes down to changing yourself without really changing who you really are. Beat your fear and you will be able to get almost (yeah, almost, not all, but almost) any woman. And at the very minimum, you will get even more women to just like you a lot or more then the other guys around you. When you have the guts and the willingness to be shot down, you will see doors opening for you ( and more legs as well). Then you can look back and say: thank you PUA techniques. You have reached the next level. Is that all you need to know.. well once you have some balls, you will find that it doesnt really matter what you say, as long as you have to balls to convey the message. it doesnt really matter what you do (except ofcourse instantly putting your hands on her boobs) as long as you have the balls to do it and ofcourse a simple understanding of human interactions (you know, grabbing boobs of complete strangers is not really going to help you in any way, no matter how confident you are).

There are a kazillion different and unique people in this world who experiene their very day in their own very world. you can be Brad Pitt good-looking and still get horribly shot down by a woman if you hit on her while her mother just died. That doesnt mean she could never get attracted to you, it just means your timing is not good. Try again later or somebody else if it happens to be the last time you will meet her.

So in short: change yourself, look how these techniques can help you overcome your fear or just fuck-it all and overcome your fear yourself.

I do agree on the statement that PUA is a numbers game, BUT...... on the other hand, i also believe that given enough effort and time, you can seduce any women because every woman has an idea of how she wants to be seduced.

I dont agree with the 'be only half-interested'. When i walk up to a girl, i am fully interested. I want to know who she is, i want to know if she really is as sexy as she looks like. I want to know if there is a personality behind the pretty face. Because if not, seriously, i just buy myself a Real-doll. . But this is off topic.

I hope it helped.
i wish you good luck!

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Your "problem" is very common, so don't sweat it...especially if you are young. In fact, you remind me of the owner of our company who told me he struggled with the same problem when he was young.

Confidence picking up women is almost impossible when you don't have much experience or history of success.

Think about this analogy...How much confidence would you have playing the piano if you never learned how to play or practice???

This is the catch-22 that most PUA coaches are never able to help their clients overcome. Most just give primitive advice like "get over it".

Some can "get over it", but many get disenchanted with the rejection and lose even more confidence and self-esteem.

Fortunately, there are certain techniques that can help you obtain the confidence necessary to attract women. In fact, they are pretty easy/fun and, if you do things right, the women will COME TO YOU.

Some of the strategies are a little bit too much to explain in a forum post, but you seem like a genuine guy so I'll be happy to help you with more details if you PM me.

The one technique the owner of our company employed will be particularly interesting to anyone who is more of the geeky/nerd type. I'm not normally into the geeky/nerd types, but I was impressed.

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