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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:59 pm 
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And Syx is right about not punishing the girl if she's done nothing wrong. There's many a chode on this forum who run badboy game and punish good women for doing nothing wrong. Rewarding obedient and sexual behaviour is far better at keeping your women in check than treating her like shit.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:48 am 
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Freeze out is not about being a dick to women.

I have used that "asking" thing only once when started the game.

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Me: Wanna kiss me?
HB: um, don't know..*something about to mumble*
Me: Lets see..
*kiss*

HB was like totally speechless and had that look like she really wanted it and waited for it..


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:59 am 
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You don't build comfort or rapport by asking her permission to kiss her. It just makes you look awkward as fuck and destroys any spontaneous passion and tension you may have built up to that point. Any successes you may have had with this beta mode method will have been in spite of this error, not because of it.

Asking permission puts you into beta mode, elevates the woman onto a pedestal when she hasn't earned it and will turn her off you sexually. The purpose of pickup is to get laid and have the option to date who you want, not make friends with girls. You get the girl by making her horny, not by asking permission. The alpha male does what he wants, says what he wants and take what he wants. Women get wet thinking about guys like this, by asking her this question, you are instantly giving her the message "I am not a leader, I am not alpha, I don't dare make a move until I'm sure I won't be rejected" and her vagina will be dryer than the Sahara desert.
Truth. By asking a girl if you can kiss her, you're telling her that you value her opinion of you more than your desire to kiss her. If she refuses to kiss you, good! Now you don't have to hang out with her again, as opposed to waiting for another date and getting refused. That's an entire extra night you wasted just to see if she was ready to kiss!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:23 am 
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Freeze out is not about being a dick to women.

I have used that "asking" thing only once when started the game.

Triangle gaze
Me: Wanna kiss me?
HB: um, don't know..*something about to mumble*
Me: Lets see..
*kiss*

HB was like totally speechless and had that look like she really wanted it and waited for it..
Yeah that's what I meant. It's not only giving an opportunity to make her think about it but the chance of rejection is getting smaller. If she says no you can reply like "Who said you could" en pick it up.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:38 am 
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exactly! you're giving her the opportunity to thing then you take it away. it's just an illusion of her having the lead. If she doesn't answer within 3 seconds say "let's find out" and kiss her.

A girl won't even think about things like "oh that dude values what i think more than his desire to kiss me" in my opinion this just overthinking. It's all happening so fast that she can't think anything else than what you just asked her. Don't forget this technique was used by many great mpua's out there.

It's about being sneaky sometimes and not to overthinking whether or not you're lowering your alpha ego to her.


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I've done the "Do you want to kiss me?", the girl said maybe, then we made out for like ten minutes. She later said that was smooth. It might just be the delivery: say it with a smirk, don't break eye contact, lose the quivering voice, keep your cool, face muscles relaxed, meet her in the middle. Also, if she turns a cheek, you kiss her cheek, she giggles, and you still kissed her. I heard this from someone, can't remember who...

I do think this can become a crutch though. Ideally, you've worked up the girl so subtly, with playful or subtle keno (see Gamblers material on escalation), advancing, pulling back, pushing her back, kissing her on the cheek, that you can just get close to her cheek, then just slightly hold her chin with your fingers, turn her face towards you, look her in the eyes, you stay solid, and it just feels right for her to kiss you. You can't just dive in straight in though while she's cold and expect a lot of success.


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