Here is the situation (and I know this looks long but have a read, its intense and I really need a team effort boys and I think you will enjoy it):

I was seeing this girl for a while, I told myself not to fall for her. I literally did everything I could to not show any emotion towards this girl. It started off slowly, escalated and escalated. Until 3 weeks in we were having the best sex of our lives. We would sneak off and go places, she would say to her boyfriend that she was out with friends and we would fuck in the car, the park, my place, and it was the best sex ever. We began to fall for each other, we realized we had EVERYTHING in common, from music, family situations, sports, movies, books. I began to realize this girl is amazing (ofcourse with that big elephant in the room of her bf being there). I made sure not to mention him, and I did some bf destroyers nicely and she would say to me "I am so not attracted to him, you are so much better, I should leave him for you". She said a lot of things like that, and I was beginning to get excited at the opportunity of dating this girl. 2 months in, she says she is falling in love with me, and I realize I am with her. We have class together, and its great, we joke around and talk all the time and we laugh and get in trouble then do it all over again. After many "dates" and so on, she invites me to her place where her parents leave for vacation (she is 23) still in college... for 3 nights in a row I slept over and she cooked me dinner, we watched movies, we cuddled, had the best sex, we woke up had morning sex we showered she cleaned me bathed me we did everything together.

Then... I went out downtown with her at night 2 - 3 days later and we came back and had great sex. She took me back to her place where the next morning her boyfriend came in the house and saw me in her bed (She forgot he had a key). He punched me a lot and broke everything in the house... Dented her car, broke glasses, wine bottles, and left the house with my phone broken (in pieces) and her phone broken. I expected her to be done with me, and for him to be done with her (and her begging for him to take her back). After this happened I was in a lot of shock and so was she I couldn't eat. The guy literally now had everything he wanted, he was a needy guy to begin with but now he had the chance to make her feel bad and so on.

In a nutshell, The guy became even more needy and said to her that if she doesn't stay with him he will tell everyone what she did and ruin her reputation. She also has been with him for four years on top of this and he has things of her which he will "show everyone" if she doesn't give him attention. The day he walked in on us, she came over to my house and said that she loves me and can't believe this all happened but he is acting needy (surprised) and she said she wanted to have sex with me one more time. We did. Even though i think we shouldnt. I asked is this goodbye, and she was like i cant say goodbye to you, i love you, i do and i know we both know we are made for each other. We didn't text much the next day and then she started again telling me about it all how is he needy and he wouldn't sleep in her bed cuz i was there BUT he tried to have sex with her on the couch and so on. She texted me in the morning saying she is thinking about me, and also this morning again.

Anyways, she came over today and she said that she loves me and wants to be with me, that her "heart is telling her that she should choose me"... but she is choosing him because she is scared and that she should try to make it work after four years and she does still love him. I think she is with him because she is scared for her reputation. Anyways, I asked how she is talking to him and what is she saying (so I know whats going on) and she showed me their conversation by text where she says to him "i love you and I want to fix this" and much more nice things... but she then says to me that she has to lie to him to make sure he is okay and happy and not worried. I don't know what is the truth. I know this looks bad and that she is playing games but I do know how we are together and its unlike other times with girls.

She says she cannot not talk to me, but its different now when we talk and text. Her 'boyfriend' made her delete me off all social networking platforms and he says that she cannot talk to me ever. I only text her when she texts me cuz i know she is alone and i can reply. Tonight I got fed up and I told her just now to text me when she is ready to be with me, and she replied "I love you and I hope I smarten up soon" - not the reply I was hoping for. (She still texts me after he said not to after all this).

I know how this looks, but out of all the girls I was ever with I spent the most time with this one, and we got along the most, and did the craziest things together and I could actually see myself with her 10 years from now (if I met her when she was single).

I don't know what to really think because I just feel like I broke up with a girl. Even though I think she will text me back tomorrow. I know she will text me, and she is with him right now probably having sex she says that she will think of me during it and it doesn't compare with him and tomorrow she will probably say I am thinking about you.

I just want to know, how do I play this so she wants me more than ever, so that she needs me, so that she realizes this guy is nothing compared to me. Will they last?

(I have the chance to go on exchange to Europe for four months and I wasn't thinking of going but now I am).

Oh i forgot to mention that this guy is after me and literally wants to kill me and texts her that if she see's me he will destroy me. I Have class with her next wednesday i have a feeling he will show up.

I also just want this girl to want to be with me, she says she does but why are her actions different. The thing is I know actions speak louder than words but her actions did speak loud. She was with me for ages, she left him for me, we have the best times together and on top of that her boyfriend is an utter looser.

Did I do the right thing saying text me when you are ready? Should I text this girl again (it will be hard to not).

She said she wrote me a letter with everything inside (also one to him but mine was twice as long she says)- and she is going to give it to me.

I should also mention that she told him that it was a one off thing, that I was drunk and out and she wasn't thinking straight (she probably said I took advantage I have no idea). She also says he asks a lot about me and she lies saying it was once, that we didn't fully have sex as she was on her period, and I don't even want to imagine what else. The day he found us, I heard her on the phone saying that it was nothing and she is so sorry as she was crying (I know she has to cover her ass), but now she has the opportunity to be with me and she is now with him... for what? her reputation?

She also says to me "well I dont know if you are staying or going" but I dont think thats a factor in this. I am so confused. With everything.

Whats the truth boys

>2 months vs 4 years. I think you know where you stand.
>Why would you want to date a girl that cheats on their long term bf? When she gets tired of you, she will do the same to you.
>You were her toy boy, move on.
>Crazy ex bf? She feeds him bread crumbs?You know she is promiscuous and basically tells both of you the exact same thing? Read that objectively, and i think you will come to your conclusion.

On the plus side, you now have crazy memories you can share with your friends.

The above poster is right. Why would you want to be with a lying cheating woman anyway. She says she loves you...and I guess she is always honest so...

Get tested. Seriously.

great story and memories for sure. you have to drop her.

I will say not so fast to the other replies.

In black as white logic, yes, she is a cheater. The problem with women is that they feel things. When she is with you, no doubt she loves the time she spends with you, how you make her feel etc. The problem is that when she is with him, she feels some of the same things.

I'm in the camp that says people don't cheat, especially women, unless something is wrong in their current relationship. This is just like any other scenario though, cheating or not. The ONLY way you get the girl and not worry about if she's screwing some guy behind your back is to let her go. Cut off contact, hard next. Chances are good that they are not going to work out. If he continues to make those types of demands, she'll never succumb to a lifetime of that. Sooner or later she's just going to tell him to do whatever he wants to because she can't take it anymore.

If you are out of the picture, and she stays with the guy, then you were just a fling, and you're better off without her. Take the memories of the great sex and try to find it with another HB. If she dumps him and comes to you before you're with someone else, then you can see what happened. Otherwise you're just the guy who stole someone else' girl, and you can't blame the guy for wanting to kick your ass if that's what really transpired. On top of that, how long when she's yours before she meets me and wants to cheat on you with me???????

Just making the point that tables turn eventually. What goes up must come down.

When you are with a girl married or the bf i give the strategy here, so read it http://www.theskillsmethod.com/how-to-s ... ied-woman/
Yes that macho action brought her back to your arms, but then after she probably started to feel guilty and took him back.
That dude is needy as fuck, but you are also needy, but just not as needy as her bf. But you are NEEDY, and that will fuck it up to.
Yes your strategy from the beginning was stupid as fuck. You have to be low key, the secret lover that is the frame. No the ruin the 4 year relationship i am the next bf frame. Stupid strategy(read the link i posted)
you have ONITIS, get other women http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNovswAlmio

If it was me, i move on and get other women, this is girl is nothing but drama and trouble, which i hate. She will eventually dump her bf( i think that relationship is dead and the dude is a needy beta). He will probably try to marry her or get her pregnant(out of neediness). Your strategy should be to be cool, not to try to push her to break up with the guy, low key, i understand friend, wish you all the best. If you do what i tell you she will come back to you eventually, but requires patience, for now GET OTHER WOMEN.

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Of course you want her "to be with you", she's hot, young, and fucks you animal style.
Who the hell wouldn't want that?

And now that you can't have it, you want it worse? Go fucking figure -SHOCKER-

Good story though Bro, you got your Drama, Intrigue, Sex, and a good old fashion Cowboy style Ass Whoopin!

But as most stories, it's likely going to have an unexpected twist.

Yes, she cheated, and while there is that adage "Once a cheater, always a cheater." And it can be held true, time and time again.

I don't see that here.

Let's look at why she may have cheated in the 1st place.

She has been with this guy for over 4 years, she is 23 now. My math tells me she was only 18-19 when they decided to fully commit to each other. 4 years is a long time for a young woman, nearing the end of her educational journey, facing the START of her future.

How serious was the couple to marry in the first place? Was it simply a case of; "Well, we both have jobs. If we live together, then we ought to do pretty well." Has that funny old four letter word 'love' been buried among all the stress of money, earning a living, school, working as many hours a week as possible?

That's starting to suck horse dick!

And then there you were Cowboy.

Rockin the cocky, throwing some boyfriend destroyers.

Bro, I've no doubt you've got some King-ass game going on, and that's likely why it was you she started fucking!

That's what game does, it lets you fuck them.

But face it, that camel's back was over loaded, and her hump was going to break anyway.

She'll try (in her mind) to patch thing up with "Quickly going needy #1" While that is crashing and burning, she will seek out "Quickly going needy #2" (you in case you didn't catch that). And fuck you a bunch more. At least til the mystery and brand new shine are worn off.

Then she will fuck a bunch of random dudes in quick succession, start to gain a little blubber, then settle down and marry one of THEM!

Let it happen.

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Hey guys,

Thanks for the advice. It's making me think a lot.

I have a question, why am I being needy? I was playing it very well for 2 months, I didnt care about him and I certainly had no plans to date her until I fell for her.

My text to her, "let me know when you are ready to be with someone who is willing to give you what you deserve, hope it works out" - was that good? She replied to it saying "i love you and hope I smarten my ass up soon" (terrible reply). I woke up to two texts from her today saying "hey did you choose your classes?" and "fucking at the park again in our spot".

Am I replying to her or going dead cold? I still don't know what my game plan is.

Skills I read your thread and basically what I brought out of it was that I shouldn't plan to be the next bf. I didn't plan on it, it just happened over time.

Anyways, what do you suggest I do. Do I reply and do I ever reply.

Your last text...."hope it works out" sounds like it was the last one you were planning on sending. Why change your mind now? Because she sent you a few texts? I don't think you can continue unless you want to give her everything she wants right now which is you and her boyfriend. I think I would give her space and let the inevitable happen which is her and her boyfriend breakup....that relationship will NEVER last. When it happens she will start hitting you up again and you can decide what is best for You. GL

Why are you so sure that they will break up?

She is weak in the backbone look at the reasons why she is with him. He is fucking phycho. Also she says she can't be with me because "he will kill you" (the bf will come after me).

So I don't reply to her?

Also, remember i fucking leave the country! I leave the country and im gone. She will get over me

I thought I had this one. I really did.

It won't work out for obvious reasons....the guy walked in on his girl and you in bed! The boyfriend might think and act like he can get past that but no way he can, there will always be underlying insecurities that will lead to the break up. If you are in fact leaving the country do you really want to make this your girlfriend. I would be miserable thinking about her getting back with her ex, which sounds plausible giving the little we know about this girl. Leave the country come back and see what happens you may find that you don't even want this girl when you come back. Also the boyfriend killing you thing sounds like BS on her end, she is just justifying staying with him. GL

she just texted me saying "i guess you don't want to talk to me anymore".

Should I reply? Will she stop texting me. Hows this gonna play out

Hopefully other more experienced PUA's reply but I would hold the line, stay the course...Don't Text Her. GL

anyone?