You ever heard of propinquity paramount?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propinquity

that might be a cool read for you,

there are too many factors here, it's too hard to just generalize people to such a degree as location, cultures and customs change from place to place but women are just women, even if they grow up in a different environment, people are people at a base level and you can only condition a person so much since everyone has their own ability to perform critical tasks and use cognitive thought, even someone completely brainwashed into a strong belief system can still make their own decisions and form their own opinions

there is no where in the world where you will have more success dating inter racially then you would dating people of the same ethnic background, and the reason for that is propinquity, but no matter where you go, as long as there is a good sizable amount of women to meet, there will be women that have a preference for brown guys, like attracts like, in some cases socially through media and other means people will become socially conditioned to perceive something to be more ''valued'' in society, but this is not necessarily the case for all, just because mercedes makes sick cars for important people and that is how we are conditioned to feel about mercedes at a young age, doesn't mean getting a honda or any other car won't suit your needs just as good or better then a mercedes, it would be the same way western culture tries to white wash everything and all you see around you is WHITE WHITE WHITE, it doesn't mean white girls and white guys are any more attractive, it's just conditioned from a young age, white girls dominate the modeling world, white girls are all over the covers of magazines saying THIS IS HOW YOU SHOULD LOOK, THIS IS WHAT YOUR CLOTHES SHOULD LOOK LIKE, most of all the celebrities that are all over the media are white, it's just forced down your throat day in and day out like a campaign for mcdonalds or coke, they don't even have to advertise anymore cause just about everyone knows what coke is before they are even 10, most stores, most gas stations everywhere in the world carry coke, it would be the same with women, it's just seen as a symbol of status, dating a cute white girl is the equivalent of owning a mercedes and we are just conditioned to feel that way when really no one is any better or worse then another it's just the feeling that goes along with it that society has created, another good example of this conditioning at work is how what is considered attractive has been viewed differently from culture to culture and era to era, the statue of david was supposed to represent the perfect male specimen for it's time and now some would consider david overweight, some tribes in the amazon have a social preference for overweight girls with wide hips and dating a girl who manages to stay chubby is getting a real catch

this social conditioning can work for or against you but as long as there are enough blonde white girls to meet, you will find some that do not have a preference for the pop culture norms, in society of ignorance you will find those who educate themselves, in a society of complete literacy you will find the illiterate, you can also maintain your own degree of critical thought and be willing and open to new ideas as well as to influence people around you to do the same, we don't live in a world of black and white and categories, there is so much diversity it is ridiculous

but if you don't look hard enough and just throw up your shoulders without taking the primary lotus of control being within your hands, then you're fucked, either way, it's a long shot in hell when some 10/10 white girl comes up to a guy who she has nothing in common with at first glance superficially and just decides that since you are so different that would mean you must have a lot in common and must be right for each other, the odds of that happening are heavily stacked against your favor especially when there is the tons and tons of other conditioning on top of the propinquity that takes place in society that tells girls they should be good little pure angels and not approach guys to begin with and only have sex to make kids, that they should get married and stay faithful, they need to wait for prince charming to come and sweep them off their feet and take them to his castle so they can live happily ever after, it's all stacked against you and if you don't take some personal responsibility to stand up for what you want and go after it regardless of what you think limits you and be willing to adapt and overcome the problems, the chances of you achieving your goals exponentially decreases and it's pretty simple what you got to do, and you are likely aware of that, but just because it's simple doesn't make it easy, if you are not willing to put in that effort to get what you want and you believe there is just some short cut, then take that short cut, but you will likely just keep coming to the same conclusions and spinning the wheels with new variations of the same threads and questions that you keep repeating

you would have a better chance spending the next week asking out 100 blonde white girls where you are now as you are now and working on how you are presenting yourself to them and making them feel, then you would moving to somewhere else and realizing your situation is relatively the same

you can already just get white girls where you are now, even if society where you are is extremely prejudiced there will still be those that don't share the same views, and those who you could influence to detach from conforming to prejudiced social views, you can do it if you just trust yourself and go after it regardless of what others around you might think or what the norm is, you can break the norm and challenge the status quo

good luck

I don't even dare talk about race in real life. I never do that, in real life I am a bit more laid back, on the internet I voice my insecurities.

Pumpington, you are such a great soul. I read that whole post and I want to say you jumped to some conclusion. When I say I am Indian, it means I am cursed by life with black hair, brown eyes, and olive skin for my given goal and what I want to do. Without a doubt Hollywood does its best to shove down our throats the fact that White is right, with both men and women.

I know you are implying that I somehow think White women are better because of media brainwashing but in my area most women are either Anglo White or Black. Most of the Black girls I meet I am not attracted to because a lot are more overweight than their White counterparts and on top of that many do have temper issues of flipping out in public. Also, you could put a 9/10 Black or Asian girl in front of me, I would not get turned on. I am friends with a few but sexually speaking I am just not attracted to them.

As for my area, it doesn't have as many White girls as one would think, I mean it has a good number of Black girls that I am just not attracted to at all. The White girls it does have are all culturally the same, SEC sorority types, they are attractive but they fit that one group.

Basically, I do think and I am in a way convinced that my area has some role in my success with the kind of women I want to have success with. There is not much diversity in the White girls here and they all fit that sorority role. I am too far along to even join a fraternity, most frats do not let upperclassmen rush.

I know the deep south has a role to play with me lacking success with White women but I am beyond frustrated how others cannot realize this and fail to ignore this and act like the deep south is this progressive haven where everyone gets along and all races date each other. I am BEYOND frustrated as a matter of fact.

I have tried man, but I am just pissed and getting beyond frustrated that everyone here thinks the deep south is this heaven where White women will date Indian guys if they look good, are confident, and well off, they still won't do it. Why don't people realize how bad it is down here?

And yes, I do think the midwest even if it is bad can somehow offer me a chance to date a girl who is White and give me an opportunity that the deep south cannot.

I mean I am at a loss of words on what to say. Maybe this disadvantage of living in the deep south can be overcome, but how. Even if she is into me, she has to deal with her friends, family, and society giving her a bad look for wanting to be with someone who is different.

I wonder, do places in the world exist where an Indain guy who looks good, is confident, has his life together can date an attractive White girl if he wanted? I mean I wonder a lot about this. I am asking for a girl to date a guy who is Indian. But date a good looking, confident guy that has his life together who happens to be Indian....

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also, if you think there are not a lot of Indians in GA, you have never been here, there are a shitload of Indians in GA and a shitload of White girls and I have never seen the two groups ever hook up, EVER.....

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Georgia. I worked in Newnan(just S. of Atlanta) for a month a few years back. Was the craziest thing I had ever seen. I'm not racist but I'll honestly say I didn't care for it at all. There was no diversity there. I was working in a warehouse with around 100 employees on a shift. Only other white person was a skinhead named DJ. Don't know why the hell he don't move. Was as hateful and miserable as they come. Lol. I did do a Sunday trip to the Georgia dome to watch monster trucks. That venue was all white people. It was a trip for only being 30 miles up the road. Sounds like you may have found your issue though. I find it hard to believe but perhaps moving would help. That's a big thing to do over women but if your unhappy there that's no fun either. Check out Chicago. Not sure what your studying but Loyola University is an excellent college. Especially in the medical fields. Several other good colleges to. I guarantee you there is diversity and mixed race relationships all over Chicago. I live out in the sticks(80mi SW) but I like to tour the city a couple times a year. Museum, zoo, navy pier to eat. Lots to do here and lots of people. I will warn you the winters do suck. They call it the Windy City for a reason. Also cold being right on Lake Michigan. Something to consider. Hope you get it worked out man.

ya I posted a new thread asking these guys for actual help to get a happy life. I won't lie, I do suffer from some limiting beliefs but these people act like the deep south is a multicultural heaven where White women can date whoever they want and not worry about a thing.

Growing up it was just so segregated too. Black people on one side and White people on the other. Heard others complain but I come on to MPUA and some of these guys are saying stuff like location doesn't mean a thing and you can easily score in a state like that if you please which makes me confused like have these people even been here.

Will say, it is easy for me to date latin and mixed race girls here since people don't bat an eye to that but White girls? Much more difficult.

I am going to try and experiment with the idea my friend gave me about going to a very White state and trying my luck. Minnesota seems like a good place.

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I was thinking about this. Maybe you need to find these girls out of their environment. One's that moved away from home to build a life. I kind of see what your saying. The girl might be thinking "what would my parents think?" or some other superficial bullshit. I won't deny that you'll have a tough time with white women there. Even if it is a soft segregation it does exist. I believe their are some that would be with you. Perhaps the numbers are what's working against you. I've been all over the country and there is definitely a larger black population in the south. I didn't know you were in Georgia. That's a REALLY black state. Minnesota would definitely give you a lot more white women to pick up on. If you had more to pick from you'd find the one who wasn't worried about what someone else might think. The numbers of white women in these places just don't compare. Also if you avoid inner city you'll also step away from the black population. For instance. Chicago has a very large African American population. Just an hour away there were only a handful of black students in my high school. I'll check out your other thread. It's cool to see you wanting to tackle this problem. The reason people get so mean is they see it but you weren't working at it. It felt like you were just complaining. You'll get through it by taking action. Sounds like that's what you want to do. Go for it! The shortest path to happiness is straight through your fears and doubts. Punch it in the face.

there probably is a challenge to meeting girls in your area, the logistics and social norms being a hurdle, that is the part that requires practice and attention to detail in order to figure out a way to pull it off. lots of women will continually put problems in your way in order to be with them, things that they deem out of their control that are well within their range of influence, however you can manage to influence these things as well and try to figure out solutions to these problems, I believe the first post you ever wrote on the forum kasabi was making this point for you but it was sort of misconstrued as him trying to poke fun at you, no matter the situation you can take pride in yourself and re-frame your abilities to present them in a better light, even if those abilities are not superficially seen to be of the utmost importance

it is socially conditioned now that being a low body fat % with a youthful appearance and an edgy look, as well as having a net income well above 100k a year and having social connections to have access to exclusive social events all are things that are thrown around in the west as what makes you desirable, western society is white washed because predominately caucasian people have had all the power in the west for the majority of the last few centuries, if there was all of a sudden a giant asian take over we may have completely different social norms in a few hundred years and fat asian girls with shaved eyebrows and genetically engineered wings might be the new definition of a high status symbol for sex appeal, even then there would still be guys who preferred something else even if there was a social stigma of value attached to the ideal

imagine someone who makes around 30k a year, disease free, drives a beater car and lives in a small apartment with working plumbing and access to food, that person being in the same position somewhere in west africa for example would be considered extremely well off, however since there is a wider range of wealth and disparity here, it is only compared to the top of the totem pole of society in the west and thus that person is poor and sitting on the poverty line, this creates the superficial non appeal to only having XYZ, we live in a society full of consumers that need more and more, we all buy stuff that we don't need cause we think it will make us happy because everyone wants a piece of that feeling of being high status, these are conditioned factors that can be overcome, you can get passed these superficial barriers with other people with rapport to become important to someone regardless of what society has conditioned to a certain extent, it's like the difference between your mom and a homeless person, regardless of your mom's socioeconomic situation and appearance she will be important to you, there is a deep sense of rapport between the two of you and you are connected and has been of huge value to you in your life, where as a homeless person likely would have little importance, it's just some random person you don't know that probably wants something from you

the same can be said for physical features in other cultures there are bigger stressors for different physical traits that are made through society to be deemed as attractive, some things are just biological but there is a lot of social proof that goes into what is deemed attractive from culture to culture and people tend to just follow the heard, but get a person alone and have a strong sense of what life is for you, you can influence others to see things how you see them as well as form new views and ideas for yourself by really getting to know someone and try to see things from their point of view as well as express your own

you may have already experienced this social deprogramming before in your life, if you have ever met a girl you didn't think was particularly that attractive at first and then once you got to know her, you just really started to just fall for her further and further the more you were around her, if not you can check out some of the oneitis threads in this forum, you may notice a common theme, she is always a really important girl to these guys, she is always amazing in some way and special, you might then get to see this girl or meet her and think, is this guy crazy?, but that's the thing, he's not crazy, that particular girl is important to that particular guy and the same situation can be created between you and others when you bring something of value to the table for them, and what is that thing, I can't say cause all people are different and value is subjective, that's why it takes attention to detail, practice, critical thought and the ability to adapt and improve
these are the sorts of answers to be trying to solve with trial and error, this is where the planning and effort comes in, these are the problems that women put in front of you that you can manage and improve upon, the logistical hurdles, how to manage her friends, how to meet her and manage to create rapport and get her comfortable with you enough so that she trusts you and wants to help you overcome these hurdles with her instead of resisting you every step of the way, how to handle problems before they even come to exist, there can be solutions for these problems but this is the hard part, a lot of this can come down to pure repetition and bad experiences knowing that if you handle a situation by making a choice that doesn't pan out it can compromise the appeal for it to work out on the girls end but then when you are faced with the same problem in the future, you can try a new angle to overcome that problem
of coarse, you are in one of those places right now, you can overcome the limitations of these logistics, but figuring out how is the tough part and it could take you a very long time to get to point where it is comfortable to do so, it will just take a willingness to change, a lot of courage and some strong will power, but you can do it

half black/mexican guy in Iowa here. I live in the upper middle class neighborhood and am in school for a highly technical degree.

I've dated a nice white girl and get passes from a few of them as well as one girl who I hook up with everyone once in awhile but she's like a 3 so I'm not really that well off. White girl I dated was the chillest 5 and a biochem premed student. Also dated a latina girl not from mexico. She was a 8 and in a highly technical degree.

I don't prefer any type of girls but I date white because 90% white in Iowa so... yeah.

Biggest tip is that at any given place 20-30% of the girls won't look at you for your race. They say race doesn't matter but they will judge you anyways. From there if you get pass the race barrier they have to find you attractive. And that's a big toss up. Some guys look, "Fuck me now" good and some other guys look, "I make a good bf" good. You need to find out where you are in looks. Many girls tell me they would never do a 1 night stand with me. They feel it would be a disservice to me to suggest. And they really like my eyes and skinny frame with little muscles lol. So dressing right helps but I dressed like shit and still got white gf because of my personality.

Personality is almost a bigger deal then looks. Have you ever heard girls say, "He's not my type?" I get that a lot. Black girls will look at the way I walk and assume I'm extremely intelligent. They aren't looking for a smart guy so they go talk to thug or pretty boy who works nights as a janitor. You can't talk to club girls about your interest in transistor technology so if that is your thing find a different location. I find few girls because the types of girls that love to fuck my brains out don't club or if they do they do it rarely and they aren't trying to pick up guys. I've had 10x better luck at latin clubs to meet white women because they are looking dancers with intelligence.

You need to find girls who are looking for guys of your personality and figure out where they meet, and if they don't meet, a place that will increase your chances. If you have a female friend, ask them what your best qualities are for your personality and physical qualities as well.