Hi all...i have been reading posts on this forum for a couple of weeks and i must say that even though i am new to pick-up and seduction,and alot of aspects of my game are still weak i still feel that my game has improved greatly.
one thing i am having trouble with at the moment is gaming this girl (hb9)who is in a relationship(her boyfriend is away)
*met her through friends in a club, ignored her ...she kept coming on to me saying stuff like "i want you to dance only with me " so i responded " why would i only dance with you" and i left to dance with other people...later on there was alot of kino going on
*went out with her and her friend clubbing the following weekend.. used the mystery kissing method but she told me she has a boyfriend ..to which i used a BFD...however she was too drunk to remember what happened that night
*froze her out for like 2 weeks because she didn't reply to my text,, which caused her to reinitiate contact
* asked her to join me for some coffee at 2.am. a few days ago...she agreed..and she couldn't keep her hands of me and said she was thinking about me..(did not try to kiss close, which i realised was a huge mistake)
*so i was thinking i should attempt to k-close asap or i would end up in the friendzone so i met her the next day and told her i have a surprise for her..talked for a bit with some kino..anyways the kiss close went something like this...she was like where is my surprise..i was like close your eyes and count to 10(Saw this method somewhere in this forum )..and i went for the kiss but she rejected it. she said " don't you know i have a boyfriend" to which i used the line " oh cool, he can cook breakfast for us" she laughed...she then said " thank you that was a nice surprise" she hugged me and i went on my way
what should i do next? i was thinking of freezing her out...but then i didn't think it was a good idea.

again, i am very new at this so i would appreciate your help...

Text her : Such a slut...
Then call her if she take the bait.
On the call try to make her meet you. Talk about you guys, be straight, dont try to be sneaky about it.
Gonna save time for both of you. Either you will be her backup plan or she will dump her BF.

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Well that happens when you put too much interest on something, remember that you game her because you didn't show interest? So why you are putting too much right now? You should calibrate it, now it's hard for you to try to kiss her again because she already rejected you, so she has the power and confidence to do it again, also she feels more obligated to do it since she told you that she has a boyfriend (as an anti-slut shield).
So you shouldn't have talked about the surprise thing, you put too much interest on this (girls are curious as hell) so she though about it a lot, like: "What would it be", or something. And you know that she wouldn't ever wanted a surprise like that because she has a boyfriend, that's why her answer.

You have to be careful with girls with BF, they use them all the time to protect themselves even knowing they want something with a guy next to her.

You have to make her more comfortable around you, take a steep back.. so flirt some more with her, and then start to fix intent eye contact with her to avoid rejection, then kiss her.
But you know, it's going to be hard to ask her out again, but if you have the opportunity then make her realize that nothing is going to happen, this will make her comfortable on accepting your invitation. (but of course something will happen)

If this doesn't help then it's a game over, my experience tells me that you only have 2 opportunities to fail with woman, unfortunately they don't give you the 3º op.

Rule #1, never ever setup something for kiss or sex like you did (the surprise), when you want to kiss a girl you have to create an instant moment, never try to create a moment before it starts, people tend to make a brain script about things, and when it doesn't happen like as they thought it would be, they realize that something is not right, that's why she rejected you... So if you want to kiss a girl you have to make it happen instantly with no bullshit.

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Sounds like she's playing games and using you for your own validation. I would ease up a bit on her, don't freeze her out for too long, maybe half the time you did last time. Then invite her out again, preferably to a dance club. Something about dancing with a woman prepares them to be kissed like no other.

Start by kissing her neck slightly while you're dancing like you just couldn't help yourself then pull away like you realize what you're doing. See how she reacts, if she doesn't react negatively, or at all, it's a good sign. Continue to dance with her and go for the neck kiss again, but make it longer this time, and then take a bold move and kiss up to her chin and her lips.

If she rejects you again on this one. I say move on unless you really think she's into you but just waiting for better game.

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"So you shouldn't have talked about the surprise thing, you put too much interest on this" ..i know what you mean i think it was a really dumb move.

"You have to make her more comfortable around you, take a steep back.. so flirt some more with her, and then start to fix intent eye contact with her to avoid rejection, then kiss her" so i should go for the kiss the next time i see her? if not how long should i wait before attempting that again.

"Rule #1, never ever setup something for kiss or sex like you did (the surprise), when you want to kiss a girl you have to create an instant moment, never try to create a moment before it starts, people tend to make a brain script about things, and when it doesn't happen like as they thought it would be, they realize that something is not right, that's why she rejected you... So if you want to kiss a girl you have to make it happen instantly with no bullshit"
thanks i will follow this rule from now on..i just thought since the mystery rule didn't work i will try something else.
well i don't regret that i tried ..i'm still learning..so now i know mistakes and it won't happen again
cheers

"If she rejects you again on this one. I say move on unless you really think she's into you but just waiting for better game." funny enough, i really think she is into me..but i didn't handle that boyfriend situation well which brought up her anti slut defense.. but i will ask her out again..and will keep you guys posted

Yes, next time you meet up with her if you only create comfort you'll just make yourself friendly to her, which is bad for your game cuz you know what happens when you start to become just friendly... i don't have to mention what happens next.
You have to realize something, you've created comfort with touch, that's why you touched a lot, but you didn't create comfort with kisses so you have to escalate on that... One thing that you can do is: Say: "you are adorable, i like you" then kiss her on the cheek like if you were kissing a little kid with that loud kissing sounds.
If she came with her boyfriend story again then just say: "Don't worry about it i let him take care of you when I'm not near".

If you have the opportunity, when she reacts cool (smile with her eyes for example) about some teasing that you give her, hug her for a moment and then drop her and change topics, like: "Let's grab a drink". (don't create too much pressure on it, but if she holds her hand with you while you go for the drink then go with it, but still don't apply too much effort on it, make it happen slowly! When you arrive the bar counter you can start to play with her hand while you talk with her, take advantage on that).

Also never try to get approval on the kiss, you know that she would never approve it, so you have to get it but first you have to make sure that it's ok for you to do it.
One thing that i do that it works awesomely is: You have to whisper on her hear something that make her confused for an instant, like: "I get my fdsgdfgwerrefgsdfsdf at home", she'll say: "Sorry, what?" then kiss her. This is gold because when she gets confused she doesn't have time to think on anything else. You can use it but it's not quite needed.

Best of luck! Oh send me a PM when you meet up with her, i got interested in your story : )

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Thanks alot for your advice and your help "psydaddy"... one last thing ...do you think i should freeze her out now/how long should i wait before setting up the next meeting..the failed k-close thing took place yesterday..so when do you think i should text/meet up with her..
thanks again

I've edited this on my previous message, didn't know if you noticed: Well it's better if you wait 2 days at least and then invite her out. But on this 2 days don't stop texting her, just shoot her like 4~5 messages\day and then say that you have to do something and you can't talk now. This is just to avoid you to lose contact with her, if you stop talking to her and then in 2 days you start again with and a meet up invite, she will think that you only want her for the dessert, so you have to keep the comfort around you. then on this Wednesday after a normal long texting journey, invite her out for something.

n00b13 do you know some cool places to go out?
If so, imagine that place that you are thinking it's a cool pace for music, you can start to ask her what is her fav sound (tip: relate your before question with the place for the meeting) and then say:
You: You know <place> I've been there 1 time (saying 1 time make you an excuse to go there again) and I've never been in a cool place like that with an amazing sound
Her: bla bla (you will also give her the opportunity to ask you out to go to that place with you, but she might don't ask you out, girls don't usually do that, and she has a boyfriend it is a lot probably that she wouldn't)
You: You know something, we should go there, are you free this week?
--> or something related to this, as you can see i didn't put too much interest on the date itself but on the place, also she become in second place. At this point the place is more important than her.

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ok sounds good... but what do you mean by "fav sound"? are we talking about music?
and a cool place with an amazing sound ....that would be a bar i guess..or maybe disco skating?

Yep, i mean the favourite music.
I would prefer disco, it has more energy and she wouldn't be focused all the time on what you are doing

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