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skills360
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:48 pm 
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Almost forgot, the best material and best posters do not have infields: Mark Manson, 60 yoc, teevester, chase amante, sleazy , in10se, Razorjack, gunwitch etc...
WO.ot? sleazetard?


@skills360, You have presented me with a dilemna,

A dilemna can not be solved, unless I think outside the box, re-position my thought patterns and shift my perspective. Instead of thinking it as a dilemna, I have to think
of it as a conflict.

In a dilemna --- all must win.
In a conflict ---- only 1 or a few must win.

SET A: The PUAs' - Mark Manson, 60 yoc, teevester, Chase Amante, in10se, Razorjack, gunwitch etc..
I especially love Chase Amante, he is one of the most brilliant writers I've encountered.
60 yoc is an online buddy from several years ago. The rest are also good in their own rights.

But you mixed

SET B: The Anti - PUA. -- Aaaron Sleazy

How can I destroy an ANTI - PUA internet marketing scammer like aaron sleazy without destroying my pua friends?

Etymology of "legit".

Legit - as in legal, lawful. Short for legitimate.

Legitimate - conforming to the recognized principles or accepted rules and standards.

The accepted rules and standard to be proven legitimate is through systematic evaluation
of your credibility.

Credibility - means to prove that you are trustworthy. To be credible means to have been objectively verified of your experty.

This anti-pua that you've mentioned has not provided any quantifiable veracity to be objectively judge as trustworthy and reliable or what they consider as "CREDIBLE."

All this aaron sleazetard does is make derogatory attacks on pua's based on invalid, illogical and fallacious statements. All he provides are emotionally charged hate speech. Making false accusations,defamations, libel and slander against the PUA's.

Unfair and deceptive practices like e.g. Indirectly disparaging of business competitors.

Charging for SPAM consultation and advice. Yet, hypocritically, Aaoron sleazy states PUA's are scammers because we charge our students dollars for "common sense advice which has been around for ages."


and What does he do? Makes money out of SPAM consultation, dispensing common sense advice which has been around for ages to angry FAILED pua's who have been scammed by frauds.

what in gods abomination is this?

and you dare mentioned his name.

Is your definition of a pua so pitifully mediocre as to relegate the term PUA's simply as keyboard jockeys, then I pity the fools who bought your pua products.

Keyboard Jockeys aren't legit PUA's.
Scammers aren't legit PUA's.

Your misplaced anger and fanatical worshiping of an ANTI - PUA is based on your distorted definition of PUA's.

what does this anti - pua internet marketing scammer accuses us of? (referring to the sleazetard guy)

a. PUA's are scammers because in america, getting sex from an american girl is the easiest thing to do because american girls are slutty.

Again, strawman. Not all of us are in fucking america.

b. PUA's are scammers because all they do is pick - up drunken party girl/bar sluts.

Another strawman, Not of all of us go to bars and clubs you fucking knit - wit.

c - d - e - f- g and so on so fourth and endless fallacies.

I wish he would have his internet marketing contract cancelled. No good, lousy scammer.

Do not pollute the forum with his anti - pua ideas, it is sickening.


DISCLAIMER: Peace and love to the PUA's Mark Manson, 60 yoc, teevester, Chase Amante, in10se, Razorjack, gunwitch etc..
I totally support your pua products and have bought your pua products at amazon and will continue to buy and support your pua products in the future. No bad intentions. Any harm or damage is purely coincidental.

except for the anti - pua internet marketer Aaaoron sleazy.

I have a dilemma i don't know if to fap to Pokemon or mickey mouse cartoons... I will fap to both and let you know my jizzz results... Thanks again!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:29 pm 
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Almost forgot, the best material and best posters do not have infields: Mark Manson, 60 yoc, teevester, chase amante, sleazy , in10se, Razorjack, gunwitch etc...
WO.ot? sleazetard?


@skills360, You have presented me with a dilemna,

A dilemna can not be solved, unless I think outside the box, re-position my thought patterns and shift my perspective. Instead of thinking it as a dilemna, I have to think
of it as a conflict.

In a dilemna --- all must win.
In a conflict ---- only 1 or a few must win.

SET A: The PUAs' - Mark Manson, 60 yoc, teevester, Chase Amante, in10se, Razorjack, gunwitch etc..
I especially love Chase Amante, he is one of the most brilliant writers I've encountered.
60 yoc is an online buddy from several years ago. The rest are also good in their own rights.

But you mixed

SET B: The Anti - PUA. -- Aaaron Sleazy

How can I destroy an ANTI - PUA internet marketing scammer like aaron sleazy without destroying my pua friends?

Etymology of "legit".

Legit - as in legal, lawful. Short for legitimate.

Legitimate - conforming to the recognized principles or accepted rules and standards.

The accepted rules and standard to be proven legitimate is through systematic evaluation
of your credibility.

Credibility - means to prove that you are trustworthy. To be credible means to have been objectively verified of your experty.

This anti-pua that you've mentioned has not provided any quantifiable veracity to be objectively judge as trustworthy and reliable or what they consider as "CREDIBLE."

All this aaron sleazetard does is make derogatory attacks on pua's based on invalid, illogical and fallacious statements. All he provides are emotionally charged hate speech. Making false accusations,defamations, libel and slander against the PUA's.

Unfair and deceptive practices like e.g. Indirectly disparaging of business competitors.

Charging for SPAM consultation and advice. Yet, hypocritically, Aaoron sleazy states PUA's are scammers because we charge our students dollars for "common sense advice which has been around for ages."


and What does he do? Makes money out of SPAM consultation, dispensing common sense advice which has been around for ages to angry FAILED pua's who have been scammed by frauds.

what in gods abomination is this?

and you dare mentioned his name.

Is your definition of a pua so pitifully mediocre as to relegate the term PUA's simply as keyboard jockeys, then I pity the fools who bought your pua products.

Keyboard Jockeys aren't legit PUA's.
Scammers aren't legit PUA's.

Your misplaced anger and fanatical worshiping of an ANTI - PUA is based on your distorted definition of PUA's.

what does this anti - pua internet marketing scammer accuses us of? (referring to the sleazetard guy)

a. PUA's are scammers because in america, getting sex from an american girl is the easiest thing to do because american girls are slutty.

Again, strawman. Not all of us are in fucking america.

b. PUA's are scammers because all they do is pick - up drunken party girl/bar sluts.

Another strawman, Not of all of us go to bars and clubs you fucking knit - wit.

c - d - e - f- g and so on so fourth and endless fallacies.

I wish he would have his internet marketing contract cancelled. No good, lousy scammer.

Do not pollute the forum with his anti - pua ideas, it is sickening.


DISCLAIMER: Peace and love to the PUA's Mark Manson, 60 yoc, teevester, Chase Amante, in10se, Razorjack, gunwitch etc..
I totally support your pua products and have bought your pua products at amazon and will continue to buy and support your pua products in the future. No bad intentions. Any harm or damage is purely coincidental.

except for the anti - pua internet marketer Aaaoron sleazy.

You were told to keep this on topic.... Why can you not listen to direction?

The topic of this is the ethics of posting infield video and whether this is an obligation.... Is it disrespectful and a violation of a woman's privacy?

NOW.... Can you follow direction or shall we move forward into further discipline?

There is a lot wrong with your post and your perception is astounding...

So what are your thoughts on the ethics of a woman being put on video without her knowing? Do you not find this to be a violation of the trust that you attempt to build when entering the interaction?

Peace and Love,

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the_real_valkyrie
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:36 pm 
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1st question; Do you feel it is an obligation to post infield? [/B]

1st answer: "Posting legit in-field sex video evidence is our responsibility."

There is a difference between obligation and responsibility.

Responsibility ---- is the "free choice" to do something you SHOULD do, usually just because it's the right thing to do, or morally right.
In responsibility you have the Option to choose.
It is up to you to be responsible or to grab the liability to answer to certain duties.

e.g. Stay as immature boy who makes excuses or be mature and take responsibility to answer to the challenges presented upon you.


Obligation ---- is doing something because you have to. Your locked in and have no choice in the matter, you have to do it.

e.g. marital obligations, work obligation.

I answered your 1st question.

Posting legit in-field sex video evidence is our "RESPONSIBILITY" but not our "Obligation". I do not feel that it is an obligation because I made a choice to do it and not because I was force or binded to do so.

That is the difference between obligation and responsibility.

Here is the problem.

We have a responsibility to provide this proof for our students.
But we also have the responsibility to respect, protect women and their privacy.

Some guy has absolve his responsibility of providing legit in-field video evidence by denouncing his "Guru status". A preacher evading responsibility by denying being a pick - artist. (I can not mentioned the name because she/he will permabanned me)
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You realize that I'm not a guru right?
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gu·ru
n. pl. gu·rus

1. a. A teacher and guide in spiritual and philosophical matters.
b. trusted counselor and adviser; a mentor.
2. a. A recognized leader in a field: the guru of high finance.
b. An acknowledged and influential advocate, as of a movement or idea.
3. a. One who coaches people to meet their goals for improved performance, growth or career enhancement.
b. Hinduism & Tibetan Buddhism, A personal spiritual teacher.

By denying your guru status, you've abandoned the given "trust", recognition and influence they have imparted to you by your followers or if you want to call it in another term "subscribers" eerhm *cough *cough youtube.

I understand that you are an ethical seducer. I understand that you are a Nice Guy.

The rights of the woman goes above and beyond the rights of the PUA students to see the full body and face of a woman. (This is a subjective personal opinion because I am nice guy too) <<<--- subjective answer to your 2nd question.

I am Nice guy too, of course. That is what we do. We put women on a pedestal and being a Loser Nice Guy that I am, I do not like disrespecting women unless

it is disrespecting them to be respectful. That is what Nice Guys do, I did not say that is what PUA's do.

and that is why posting legit in-field sex video evidence is a responsibility and not an obligation because you have the freedom and OPTION to blur the

woman's face and body to almost unrecognizable levels. <<<--- Objective answer to your 2nd question.

and here is another Caveat

ca·ve·at
noun \ˈka-vē-ˌät, -ˌat; ˈkä-vē-ˌät;
a modifying or cautionary detail to be considered when evaluating, interpreting, or doing something.

To accept that posting legit in-field video evidence as a disrecpectful violation of a woman's privacy during interaction is implying that seduction or any interaction requires "trust".
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Do you not find this to be a violation of the trust that you attempt to build when entering the interaction? [/B]

The question should have been; " Do I build trust or even use trust in an interaction or in some seduction instances?

what if I use some other methods, some other ways. or some other style or form of interaction, How can the trust be violated when there was never any trust to begin with?


You made a discreet assumption that trust is required for any given human interaction.
You have conditioned yourself to believe in a limiting belief that trust or rapport or comfort or whatever you'd like to call it is, required for any human interaction especially seduction.

To answer your question is to get trick to enter into your mindset, into your mindframe, mental paradigm. into your perception or reality or whatever PUA linggo you'd like to call it. It is a risk I am willing to take.

This akin to the awkward chumpy belief of Nice Guys that giving flowers will make her fall in love. It is the same as the retarded belief of Nice Guys that being Nice will create attraction. (sometimes it does but most of the time, it is just affection). Affection is different from attraction.

Being stuck with a mindset that you "NEED trust" in any interaction is a very dangerous self- limiting belief to give to guys.

Example: A Virgin is going to be discourage from escalating because he will think that he failed because he failed to provide trust and what happens, he will

stop and it becomes a self - sabotaging behavior and he will go home alone and ever more a perma-virgin.

so what happens next is the creation of another butthurt anti-pua troll.

You are giving them an EXCUSE not to do anything because some wannabe guru/keyboard jockey taught them that they needed "trust".


You also implied that pick - up is moral and ethical to begin with. lmao. hahaha.
We do not do pick - up women to go to heaven.

If you want to go to heaven, this is not the life - style for you.

Posting a legit in-field sex video evidence is a responsibility but not an obligation.

Everything I said is in within topic and remains pertinent to the discussion.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:57 pm 
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I asked you to stay on topic is this that complicated?

Really? REALLY?

This is an ethical discussion not a discussion regarding responsibilities as a PUA....and as I said I've never referred to myself as PUA to begin with. I fail to see how it is a responsibility I don't even understand how you could possibly assume such an asinine concept.... Seriously how? That is like saying if you go to jail you're obligated to stab someone....

I do not teach pick up do I?

I teach courtship.... How to understand attraction, how to read it, how to read body language, how to become self-confident, how to have a conversation, however I do not teach guys to become pick up artists I help them become pick up artist by giving them some assets along the way. I have never claimed to be amazing with women... I do alright compared to most guys especially on the forum but I'm by no means some guy that sleighs women... I don't even see how this is brought into the spotlight.

Blurring the face and body is still a violation of their privacy it's still something they are not aware of.

Part of my courtship process is to build trust the "system" or whatever the fuck you want to call it is to build trust... For me to film them without their knowledge is a violation of the "trust" I build with women I appreciate enough to approach. So yes this is a violation of my personal integrity... Do you not understand that? As soon as you begin to not uphold your own personal integrity your self-esteem dwindles...

I've conditioned myself to have a limiting belief that trust is required in every interaction? WTF? NO I understand a woman doesn't need to trust you to escalate the courtship process however... it's a hell of a lot easier... learning more about women is to get more efficient not to get less efficient... you want to get a larger percentage of women then you do what works for you... I'm not a 10 on a looks scale but I have other value to offer women which is trust and the conversation we are having... It is against my method for going after women... even if it isn't yours.

I've stated that there are 3 basic ways to get laid: Attraction, Rapport/building a connection, and Sexual Tension/Escalation.

You don't need to build trust but it is an asset in the long run when it comes to human interaction.

Note: It is dangerous to tell a newb to escalate before he builds trust as well by the way as he can end up in jail for sexual harassment in the United States quite easily... Most guys on the forum aren't good with women because they are socially retarded, for you to tell them to escalate relentlessly could be a jail sentence waiting to happen.

I teach guys those main 3 assets that work in every aspect of their life(well the sexual side of things is straight geared toward women). So... yeah it violates my style immensely for me to film a woman without her knowledge with or without the blur.... In fact most of my conversations get quite sexual and thus I build trust that our conversation will be discreet... not published all over the fucking net.

Heaven has nothing to do with ethics.... Ethics are a part of good and bad... Nothing more the meanings we assign things (which I understand I did).... Churches use heaven as a means to guide behavior but ethics are not nor will they ever be limited to churches.

Please in all your dictionary definitions look up the definition of ethics.

No everything was not within the pertinent discussion... It's simple concept... Is it right or wrong to put video up?

Yes your responsibility I suppose (in some twisted off topic way) but as I said I'm not a PUA guru... I'm not a wannabe I don't want to be a guru, I don't care to be recognized as some man that can fuck 100s of women.... It's not about that for me... I teach skills and assets...

Peace and Love,

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I think no need to post. It all can be fake/rehearsed etc. anyway.

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My reply is on the off - topic section because she will permabanned my ass for being off topic in this thread.


Here: reply-to-trust-topic-vt165451.html

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For the naive like the PUAHate marketers (Tiffany/Valkyrie/Murdoc),
Dude User: MurdocisGod has been my enemy for 8 - 9 years. My vendetta against XXXXXXX(censored) started because of him.
He is an internet marketing administrator and a co - administrator at XXXXXXX(censored) and has key moderator position in several dozen forums.

My feud with him started when he permanently banned me after saying that David de Angelo is an internet marketing scammer 8 years ago.

His alternate account at sosuave is murdocniccals with a moderator account called san jose california.

Do not associate with those rascals.

I am a non - commercial pua. I am poor and broke as fuck.

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