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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:17 am 
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Ok so I've told a few friends about this whole PUA stuff & how it works, but the bottom line is, that many people don't believe in it or they are just down-right skeptical about it all. My friends say that regardless, if you plan on picking up women, you must be a good-looking guy to start with (& they mean physically). They think that behavior is still import, but most of all, you need to have good looks. Also, they say that you "PUA Gurus" are just out to make money off of this hot niche of "How To Attract Women" & you are taking advantage of the poor ugly guys who can't get laid. My friends say that the "Gurus" know in the back of their mind that these ugly nerds are just desperate to getting laid & that they are willing to pay for something that is never going to happen because they "aren't good-looking enough".

So the question is obvious here; what do you guys think about this? What proof can you provide to prove them wrong or what should I tell them on your behalf? Thanks...


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We all have those skeptical friends who think learning how to be ladies men is weird, so I personally know where you are coming from. Just remember you are here for you, not them.

They are right about Gurus, but the idea isn't as negative as one might believe. Yes, they do make money by teaching men how to pick up women but they don't get into the business to scam. Think of it this way; You're a shoemaker and that's your job. You're really good at it and you love making shoes, and people will pay you to do it. Why stop?

As for the good looking part, again they are right.

but only if they are trying to pick up gay guys.

Women really don't care about looks. Yeah it's been said over and over because it's true. Lil wayne is an ugly motherF**ker but I bet any girl will fuck him because he's famous. Now I'm not saying that you have to be famous, what I'm saying is that there are qualities women look for in guys, such as strength (Physical, Confidence, etc.) Knowledge (Not book-smarts, I mean Experience, a fulfilling life), Etc. That's really all there is to it when it comes to attracting women.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:19 am 
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here's the second part of the deal, and for me this was something, after realising it over a few years, was a major game changer: You're probably better looking than you think you are. I always used to worry about my weight. I thought I had a big nose and ugly face. Why? Because I never had a girlfriend until I was 21. No girls showed any interest (that I recognised) during school or college so I thought of myself as ugly. As such, I thought no girl would be interested in me and.. of course they weren't because of my attitude!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:41 am 
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I think the way that you view yourself has a major impact on how good looking other people think you are. If you believe that you're ugly then you will give off that vibe and other people, especially women, will pick up on it. The trick is to think that you're "hot stuff" and give that impression to everyone you meet. With out coming across as being too cocky.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:49 am 
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When it comes to looks debate on this forum all the time I see people coming up with examples of how ugly celebrities can get hot women. Of course because they are famous and rich, it's dead simple.

But most of the guys posting here are not celebrity status. They are not even rich to start with.

And what is this women don't care about looks ? Of course they do. The better looking you are, the easier you can get women (with the same amount of game). Of course when talking about looks you need to look at the big picture (genetics, aesthetics, grooming etc.).

So if there are 2 guys with the same personality, the better looking guy will get more women and better looking women.

However your looks is not an excuse not to do something.


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Just go on youtube dude; there is plently of guys on youtube picking up women on camera; I personally prefer to stay underground for business purposes; but this shit is definitely real.

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Well I appreciate everyone's input this far, but I have to say from personal experience that I see ugly ass guys with hot chicks all the time. So I know that it can be done as people are doing it all the time. Also, I don't think it's because these guys are rich either. I think that they just convinced these girls into believing that they are attractive based off of their attractive behavior.


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Ok so I've told a few friends about this whole PUA stuff & how it works, but the bottom line is, that many people don't believe in it or they are just down-right skeptical about it all. My friends say that regardless, if you plan on picking up women, you must be a good-looking guy to start with (& they mean physically). They think that behavior is still import, but most of all, you need to have good looks. Also, they say that you "PUA Gurus" are just out to make money off of this hot niche of "How To Attract Women" & you are taking advantage of the poor ugly guys who can't get laid. My friends say that the "Gurus" know in the back of their mind that these ugly nerds are just desperate to getting laid & that they are willing to pay for something that is never going to happen because they "aren't good-looking enough".

So the question is obvious here; what do you guys think about this? What proof can you provide to prove them wrong or what should I tell them on your behalf? Thanks...
This industry is littered with pseudo PUAs who think they can teach guys how to get girls.

If some dude who claims to be a PUA says "looks don't matter", ask him a question. Would he be with some 500lb old, lady if she used the 'perfect opener' on him??? When he goes out in public, does he look at the ugly girls or the hot girls?

Woman and men are more alike than you think. Both sexes value "looks". Looks aren't everything and you can always find exceptions where it SEEMS like a woman is with an ugly guy, but there is often much more behind the story.

The good news is that you DON'T have to be a model. In fact, that often works against you when trying to find a long-term relationship with a woman. Just like men don't want to constantly be jealous or worried about their partner...a woman is going to look at "model" looks and think the same.

A large part of our training program is based on maximizing your attractiveness. With the right help, most people can achieve a level of attractiveness that will appeal to almost anyone. In most cases, the problem isn't genetics. Almost everything is fixable which is why we cover everything from clothing...accessories...fitness...posture...body language...hair...and even things like a proper diet and sleep regimen.

One of our most difficult clients was a handicapped individual who wore over-sized Hawaiian shirts and beat up old tennis shoes. It took weeks of shopping for new clothes and coming up with the right strategy, but he ended up with 3 girls numbers in one night (one was a hot bartender who I just ran into and remembers his name 5 years later).

The other secret to improving his "looks" was taking him to the right place. He would have felt nervous, anxious, and out-of-place at a dance club or ultra lounge. However, we asked him what he liked to do for fun and he said Karaoke...so that's where we went.

We had him go up and sing a song like he usually does and all of a sudden his "attractiveness" grew. He displayed a comfort and confidence on stage that radiated attraction. Anybody watching him would now add adjectives such as fun, charismatic, and talented to describe him. (This is basically the same psychological phenomena that rock stars use, which is why many ugly lead singers get girls.)

We then had him go up to girls and ask them to sing a duet with him. They gladly accepted because they saw how good he was and how much fun he was having.

The point is this...Looks do matter, but don't overlook ALL the aspects that make up your "looks". Most PUA's are not equipped with the necessary fashion skills to maximize other people's "looks". They are even less equipped to understand the neurology of why and when looks matter.

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Looks matter, but to a certain point. It's important to remember that:

1. Looks are subjective.

2. On a societal standard, it's much more important to not be ugly than to be good looking.

Everything else is controlled by you. Your appearance, the way you talk, what you do, etc.

I wish I still had a link to it, but there is a meta-analysis that showed that 21% of women find physical attractiveness to be the most attractive thing. 79% said something different, with confidence being in first place at 36%.


Good-looking men just have more room to mess up. If you are good looking and do something wrong, you might be given a benefit of the doubt.

Being good-looking might also help you get laid more, but in the end, that shouldn't matter.

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