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Moscow
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An HB i met texted me lastnight and asked if I wanted to hangout, sp I said yes, and picked her up and brought her to my house. Shes texted me before and asked if i was good at cuddling too.

I had everything ready, I had a movie to watch and everything, however the movie ended up not working, I spent a ton of time going back and forth from couch to computer to get a movie to the point where she got bored -_-, I like this girl and I ended up getting intimidated, not being fast enough and not confident enough.

Anyways, emd up watching TV and cuddling for a bit, I sexual kino and put my hand on her ass (shes wesring booty shorts), that goes okay she doesnt mind. Then, something happens and she gets up and we stop cuddling, about 10minutes later she asks if i can drop her off home in 45min. With about 15min left i go for a kiss (I had too, in order to grow some balls with her)

Me: gimme a kiss
Hb: nah
Me: ill kiss you then
Hb: nooooooooo
Me: alright
Hb: haha good try though :)

End up having more fun after i fail kiss her than we had before, I drop her off, on the way i start talking deeping shit, she seemed interested. I said goodbye, dhe said "ill see you soon we'll get drunk together"
I drove away.

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Fucking boring, nothing went right, I couldnt get the balls to do anything cuz i actually like her, it wasnt fun and energetic like i was the first time i met her and how i was on text. I was incongruent, i fucked up. Felt like a chode. She wanted to have fun. I had no sleep that night and was exhausted, no energy.

Is my analysis correct? Do i lose forever?

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Nah bro, she likes you. she was just nervous and shit and so were u. its natural. just keep trying and keep respectin her boundaries and eventually she'll give u what u want. dont act clingly, just play it cool and fun. she'll probably be the loyal type too as she doesn't seem too easy from ur description (which is a good thing). good luck.
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Nah bro, she likes you. she was just nervous and shit and so were u. its natural. just keep trying and keep respectin her boundaries and eventually she'll give u what u want. dont act clingly, just play it cool and fun. she'll probably be the loyal type too as she doesn't seem too easy from ur description (which is a good thing). good luck.
ehhh, we'll see

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"We'll get drunk together"

Sounds to me like an open invitation. Maybe she wants some alcohol in her so she's doesn't look like a "slut".
I wouldn't throw this out the window man. Was this the first time you hung out? That could explain why she didn't cave. Girls worry about that crap. I think I'd take her out, show her a good night, and fuck the shit out of her. I think that's what she wants from you.
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"We'll get drunk together"

Sounds to me like an open invitation. Maybe she wants some alcohol in her so she's doesn't look like a "slut".
I wouldn't throw this out the window man. Was this the first time you hung out? That could explain why she didn't cave. Girls worry about that crap. I think I'd take her out, show her a good night, and fuck the shit out of her. I think that's what she wants from you.
Yeah dude, first time ever, I felt sick when I woke up this morning, but I knew if i don't hangout that day then I would consider myself a chode forever. Nothing about me was good today. Yeah i was thinking she wants to not look slutty. When i was driving her she mentioned relationships, she said

her: "I hate relationships the only good thing is the sex"
me: "you dont need a relatonship for sex" (i then looked at her for a sec as im driving)
me: "girls put up this stupid wall around sexuality"
her: "you just dont like it cuz it affects you"
me: "nah, sex is a human thing, I have a nonjudgemental attitude towards sex"

we then proceeded to talk about feminine and masculine energy which she enjoyed.

what bothers me is how i felt bored the entire time with her, and we legit cuddled for only a few minutes and then she got up idk whatever. However, i found her to be very comfortable inside my house, opening my fridge, eating all my fruit and just laying on the couch.

Also one time she texted me randomly asking if im good at cuddling, i then randomly texted her

me "come rub my neck it hurts"
her: "too bad i suck at that"
me "Kiss it then"
her: "too bad i suck at that too"

this was all before the hangout

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You: "my dicks hard, do you suck at that? Lol"

I don't know what to tell you man. I'm not sure if she's playing hard to get or a game. I would set a boundary if she's up in your home like she owns the place when you've only seen each other a couple of times. That's strange in my opinion. She might just be really comfortable around you. That would be a good thing.
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You: "my dicks hard, do you suck at that? Lol"

I don't know what to tell you man. I'm not sure if she's playing hard to get or a game. I would set a boundary if she's up in your home like she owns the place when you've only seen each other a couple of times. That's strange in my opinion. She might just be really comfortable around you. That would be a good thing.
Lmao clever line,

Dude idk man I really wanted to smash her too, its funny, the moment she denied my kiss I started enjoying teh situation more than before.

Btw how old are you?

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her: "I hate relationships the only good thing is the sex"
lol. i think shes trying to tell u something there dude!

shes the indirect type and ur tryin to use direct game which is why ur invitations to rub ur back or whatever fell flat.

she already told u how she wants it:
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"ill see you soon we'll get drunk together"
she doesn't want to appear like a straight up slut, so u gota just give her what she wants.

personally, i think ur too emotionally invested in this chick to succeed right now and ur inner game is obviously very weak - all this beating urself up shit and being emo isn't really doing urself any favours.

just step back and put it in to perspective and whatever u do, dont try the "my dicks hard" line coz u will fail hard - shes already communicated that she wants u to be indirect - so give her what she wants. simple.
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her: "I hate relationships the only good thing is the sex"
lol. i think shes trying to tell u something there dude!

shes the indirect type and ur tryin to use direct game which is why ur invitations to rub ur back or whatever fell flat.

she already told u how she wants it:
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"ill see you soon we'll get drunk together"
she doesn't want to appear like a straight up slut, so u gota just give her what she wants.

personally, i think ur too emotionally invested in this chick to succeed right now and ur inner game is obviously very weak - all this beating urself up shit and being emo isn't really doing urself any favours.

just step back and put it in to perspective and whatever u do, dont try the "my dicks hard" line coz u will fail hard - shes already communicated that she wants u to be indirect - so give her what she wants. simple.

Inner games fine, I dont really have oneitis, I just fucking love cuddling a making out with girls, and yesterday, I lost, I dont like losing. I guess I should reconnect in a few days, dont worry im not actually going emo over it, just its the first time ive been such a chode in several months. I guess i gotta work on my gauging, knowing how to act with certain girls a bit.

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her: "I hate relationships the only good thing is the sex"
lol. i think shes trying to tell u something there dude!

shes the indirect type and ur tryin to use direct game which is why ur invitations to rub ur back or whatever fell flat.

she already told u how she wants it:
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"ill see you soon we'll get drunk together"
she doesn't want to appear like a straight up slut, so u gota just give her what she wants.

personally, i think ur too emotionally invested in this chick to succeed right now and ur inner game is obviously very weak - all this beating urself up shit and being emo isn't really doing urself any favours.

just step back and put it in to perspective and whatever u do, dont try the "my dicks hard" line coz u will fail hard - shes already communicated that she wants u to be indirect - so give her what she wants. simple.

Inner games fine, I dont really have oneitis, I just fucking love cuddling a making out with girls, and yesterday, I lost, I dont like losing. I guess I should reconnect in a few days, dont worry im not actually going emo over it, just its the first time ive been such a chode in several months. I guess i gotta work on my gauging, knowing how to act with certain girls a bit.
Girls cuddle with the guys that fuck them silly. Remember that. It is the truest statement you will every hear.

You have to be sexual in order to fuck her. If you are not sexual then you will not fuck her. It is best to frame it right from the beginning, touching her right off the bat so she knows that with you it's ok to touch. This is who you are.

Anyway onto the situation.

Look, first off whenever a girl initiates a meetup take it as a green light to go make your moves on her. She WANTS it, trust me. She wanted it that night. You should have set the frame that you touch her right when you met up with her, and then escalated without apology. She was INTERESTED SEXUALLY in you, and you did not offer it. This is where you fucked up. You did not "lose" because you didn't kiss and cuddle, you "lost" because you didn't fuck her silly.

She's giving all the signals "Let's cuddle" "Only good thing is the sex" "Let's get drunk together". Take everything as sexual interest from a girl and kino. ALL THE TIME.

You should have assumed it was on, and then always be prepared for some LMR. Girls want it, but their logical mind kicks into gear and says no. But deep inside they really want it. And if you give it to them the right way, if you pass their LMR let's say, they give it up. It's like the final test that you have to pass.

"Give me a kiss..." Seriously? Just go for the kiss. Obviously not out of the blue. This is where kino escalation helps. Ideally you'd want to get to an IOM (It's On Moment - credit 60 Years of Challenge), where she is reciprocating your caressing. This caressing could either be a hand hold, a kiss, or just any type of caressing that isn't what friends would do. Stroking for instance.

Anyway. She wanted you to man up fuck her. You should have been unapologetic in your INTENT - that you want to fuck her (I don't really believe you just want to cuddle...and if you do, the best cuddling is right after sex anyway). You want affection. Well if you want it so bad know that true affection comes after sex a lot of the time. Deep affection definitely comes after sex.

You did not man up and fuck her. Therefore her last line "We'll get drunk together" wasn't because she had trouble passing her slut defense, but because YOU didn't MAN UP and she's suggesting YOU get drunk so you can let go of your inhibitions and fuck her. She wants it so bad that she wants to get you drunk enough so that you fuck her! Woo! She's attracted!

What you have to do now is regain the frame control. You do this by knowing exactly what you want and that's ALL you care about. You don't care about her, you don't care about anything else, just what you want. And then you stick to that. You stick your ground. Either she comes around or she doesn't. But you must know what you want and be unapologetic about it. Push push push. LMR a lot of the times is just 2 steps forward, and then when she halts you, 1 step back.

Truth is you were afraid to get rejected that night. But rejection is better than regret. You HAVE to push it and get to no, and if you don't get to know all the way through then even better!

Hope this helps.
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Is my analysis correct? Do i lose forever?
Stop being a girl man..


I think this was awesome, despite the misfortunes and your lack of confidence you still took a step, even if it was a small one to going after what you want.

Now, that whole " Give me a kiss" routine is BS. Don't ask for anything just go after it with action. Actions always speak louder than words. If you're making out with a girl in your bed do you ask her " Can I take your pants off now? " .. " Can I put the condom on? " No! You just do that shit. Nice try man; you're going to get there, but next time.. Just DO THAT SHIT ;)

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Look, first off whenever a girl initiates a meetup take it as a green light to go make your moves on her. She WANTS it, trust me. She wanted it that night. You should have set the frame that you touch her right when you met up with her, and then escalated without apology. She was INTERESTED SEXUALLY in you, and you did not offer it. This is where you fucked up. You did not "lose" because you didn't kiss and cuddle, you "lost" because you didn't fuck her silly.
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Now, that whole " Give me a kiss" routine is BS. Don't ask for anything just go after it with action. Actions always speak louder than words. If you're making out with a girl in your bed do you ask her " Can I take your pants off now? " .. " Can I put the condom on? " No! You just do that shit. Nice try man; you're going to get there, but next time.. Just DO THAT SHIT ;)
haha Two fuckin pros right there! lol Take their advice dude. Keep it simple and fuck her brains out! lololol ;)
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I'm drunk as fuck, but I gota recommment.
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Shes texted me before and asked if i was good at cuddling too.
Dude. It's a EUPHEMISM (google it). She wanted to fuck.
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Anyways, emd up watching TV and cuddling for a bit, I sexual kino and put my hand on her ass (shes wesring booty shorts), that goes okay she doesnt mind.
LOL. "Hand on her fucking ass" LOLOLOL She came "wearing booty shorts" LOL WTF DUDE???
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With about 15min left i go for a kiss (I had too, in order to grow some balls with her)
FAIL.
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If your inner game was fine, you wouldn't be doing stupid shit like the above and worrying about stupid shit like:
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I had everything ready, I had a movie to watch and everything, however the movie ended up not working, I spent a ton of time going back and forth from couch to computer to get a movie to the point where she got bored -_-, I like this girl and I ended up getting intimidated, not being fast enough and not confident enough.
Weak, weak, WEAK! LOL

me: (after 20 seconds of trying to sort out movie): fucking movies not workin
her: oh
me: got any other ideas?
her: i duno (tryna play dumb)
me: move towards her and kiss her belly
her: what u doin? (playin dumb again)
me: ur fucking hot! (carries on)
her: stop (token resistance)
me: kiss her inner thigh
her: (smiles) i said stop (still not goin anywhere tho)
me: rubbin her / pullin shorts off
her: stops them coming off
me: kisses her v (teasin her)
her: (likes it)
me moves up and kisses her neck, pressing erection into her pussy, letting her know its on!
me: (generally) rub her / finger her, get her heated, fuck her.
her: loves it!
me: fuck her repeatedly till she cant stand up! lol
OR
her: gets the fuck up and says she wants to go
me: "no probs, i'll drive u" OR "the bus stop is just across there" (if im not feelin charitable)

THIS is where u draw the line dude - i dont fucking want u on a rape charge! lol
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You don't care about her, you don't care about anything else, just what you want. And then you stick to that. You stick your ground.
Personally, I wouldnt take it that far. You need to have some self-control and if u was treating my daughter like that you could end up with some real fucking problems! (like no knee caps!) lol

Just remember: every girl is diff - they aint all sluts and nor do we want them to be. one day you'll meet a chick u want to wifey and (i hope) you'll want her to be half-decent so just remember that.

respect her boundaries.

now i think about it, i dont think she was 100% on it! or she wouldn't have refused the kiss - she seems kinda innocent to me - coz for most sluts a kiss is nothin - they give em out like free candy!

just know not all chicks are the same and theres a fine fucking line between being assertive and being a fucking rapist.

i just wanted to make that clear in case u start gettin some dumb ideas in ur head.

just chill. she likes u. dont take her literally and try to get her heated. if she dont respond then fucking move on - theres a million more just like her (most likely better)

good luck dude. stay safe.
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I'm drunk as fuck, but I gota recommment.
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Shes texted me before and asked if i was good at cuddling too.
Dude. It's a EUPHEMISM (google it). She wanted to fuck.
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Anyways, emd up watching TV and cuddling for a bit, I sexual kino and put my hand on her ass (shes wesring booty shorts), that goes okay she doesnt mind.
LOL. "Hand on her fucking ass" LOLOLOL She came "wearing booty shorts" LOL WTF DUDE???
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With about 15min left i go for a kiss (I had too, in order to grow some balls with her)
FAIL.
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Inner games fine
If your inner game was fine, you wouldn't be doing stupid shit like the above and worrying about stupid shit like:
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I had everything ready, I had a movie to watch and everything, however the movie ended up not working, I spent a ton of time going back and forth from couch to computer to get a movie to the point where she got bored -_-, I like this girl and I ended up getting intimidated, not being fast enough and not confident enough.
Weak, weak, WEAK! LOL

me: (after 20 seconds of trying to sort out movie): fucking movies not workin
her: oh
me: got any other ideas?
her: i duno (tryna play dumb)
me: move towards her and kiss her belly
her: what u doin? (playin dumb again)
me: ur fucking hot! (carries on)
her: stop (token resistance)
me: kiss her inner thigh
her: (smiles) i said stop (still not goin anywhere tho)
me: rubbin her / pullin shorts off
her: stops them coming off
me: kisses her v (teasin her)
her: (likes it)
me moves up and kisses her neck, pressing erection into her pussy, letting her know its on!
me: (generally) rub her / finger her, get her heated, fuck her.
her: loves it!
me: fuck her repeatedly till she cant stand up! lol
OR
her: gets the fuck up and says she wants to go
me: "no probs, i'll drive u" OR "the bus stop is just across there" (if im not feelin charitable)

THIS is where u draw the line dude - i dont fucking want u on a rape charge! lol
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You don't care about her, you don't care about anything else, just what you want. And then you stick to that. You stick your ground.
Personally, I wouldnt take it that far. You need to have some self-control and if u was treating my daughter like that you could end up with some real fucking problems! (like no knee caps!) lol

Just remember: every girl is diff - they aint all sluts and nor do we want them to be. one day you'll meet a chick u want to wifey and (i hope) you'll want her to be half-decent so just remember that.

respect her boundaries.

now i think about it, i dont think she was 100% on it! or she wouldn't have refused the kiss - she seems kinda innocent to me - coz for most sluts a kiss is nothin - they give em out like free candy!

just know not all chicks are the same and theres a fine fucking line between being assertive and being a fucking rapist.

i just wanted to make that clear in case u start gettin some dumb ideas in ur head.

just chill. she likes u. dont take her literally and try to get her heated. if she dont respond then fucking move on - theres a million more just like her (most likely better)

good luck dude. stay safe.
Alright, thank you but how do i now go on rekindling ? Im pissed about it, personally i thought I fucked up completely but either you guys are being nice in an asshole kinda way or im completely wrong that it was all horrible.

No, im not gunna rape the girl lmao, I've had this girl at my house before but with a few buddies and I was being a complete boss, ive had hirls home before. Its just this time my inner chode snapped and starting jizzing inside my head like a fucking bukake killing my game. But yall are giving me good tips and saying its all good in the hood so ill try again, I like her, shes a sweetie, plus shes bisexual and i can score a threesome one day, and she watches porn, so id figure she can fuck like a pornstar.

How do i proceed with reconnectiong? Text her what?

Btw what the fucks so funny about having my hand on her ass and her coming in booty shorts, my boner thought that shit was serious, it was ready to spew its venom when i saw those butt cheeks.

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her: "I hate relationships the only good thing is the sex"
lol. i think shes trying to tell u something there dude!

shes the indirect type and ur tryin to use direct game which is why ur invitations to rub ur back or whatever fell flat.

she already told u how she wants it:
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"ill see you soon we'll get drunk together"
she doesn't want to appear like a straight up slut, so u gota just give her what she wants.

personally, i think ur too emotionally invested in this chick to succeed right now and ur inner game is obviously very weak - all this beating urself up shit and being emo isn't really doing urself any favours.

just step back and put it in to perspective and whatever u do, dont try the "my dicks hard" line coz u will fail hard - shes already communicated that she wants u to be indirect - so give her what she wants. simple.[/

Girls cuddle with the guys that fuck them silly. Remember that. It is the truest statement you will every hear.

You have to be sexual in order to fuck her. If you are not sexual then you will not fuck her. It is best to frame it right from the beginning, touching her right off the bat so she knows that with you it's ok to touch. This is who you are.

Anyway onto the situation.

Look, first off whenever a girl initiates a meetup take it as a green light to go make your moves on her. She WANTS it, trust me. She wanted it that night. You should have set the frame that you touch her right when you met up with her, and then escalated without apology. She was INTERESTED SEXUALLY in you, and you did not offer it. This is where you fucked up. You did not "lose" because you didn't kiss and cuddle, you "lost" because you didn't fuck her silly.

She's giving all the signals "Let's cuddle" "Only good thing is the sex" "Let's get drunk together". Take everything as sexual interest from a girl and kino. ALL THE TIME.

You should have assumed it was on, and then always be prepared for some LMR. Girls want it, but their logical mind kicks into gear and says no. But deep inside they really want it. And if you give it to them the right way, if you pass their LMR let's say, they give it up. It's like the final test that you have to pass.

"Give me a kiss..." Seriously? Just go for the kiss. Obviously not out of the blue. This is where kino escalation helps. Ideally you'd want to get to an IOM (It's On Moment - credit 60 Years of Challenge), where she is reciprocating your caressing. This caressing could either be a hand hold, a kiss, or just any type of caressing that isn't what friends would do. Stroking for instance.

Anyway. She wanted you to man up fuck her. You should have been unapologetic in your INTENT - that you want to fuck her (I don't really believe you just want to cuddle...and if you do, the best cuddling is right after sex anyway). You want affection. Well if you want it so bad know that true affection comes after sex a lot of the time. Deep affection definitely comes after sex.

You did not man up and fuck her. Therefore her last line "We'll get drunk together" wasn't because she had trouble passing her slut defense, but because YOU didn't MAN UP and she's suggesting YOU get drunk so you can let go of your inhibitions and fuck her. She wants it so bad that she wants to get you drunk enough so that you fuck her! Woo! She's attracted!

What you have to do now is regain the frame control. You do this by knowing exactly what you want and that's ALL you care about. You don't care about her, you don't care about anything else, just what you want. And then you stick to that. You stick your ground. Either she comes around or she doesn't. But you must know what you want and be unapologetic about it. Push push push. LMR a lot of the times is just 2 steps forward, and then when she halts you, 1 step back.

Truth is you were afraid to get rejected that night. But rejection is better than regret. You HAVE to push it and get to no, and if you don't get to know all the way through then even better!

Hope this helps.
Thanks bud, so its still on, everyone seems to be saying its still on, obviously yes i want the sex and i prolly was scared of rejection on a deeper level.

Now you said i have to reframe.

Explain how i would do this, id have to text her first, i know she thought i was a pussy yesterday, and ill admit, i was, now that i think about it, my kino was off, not enough of it, only kino was the few minutes of cuddling, and i was scared for some dumb reason to sexualize it, all i did was put my face in her hair kinda and touching her ass for a little bit, my chodieness said "take off the hand from her gorgeous smooth ass motherfucker, this is your mothers couch you pervert"

So help me, pros, on how to reframe.

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