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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:57 pm 
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Neither do I, of course, but I know such a man. We became friends in my senior year in college when I started to become aware of game and the successful habits of guys who get laid. Almost daily he would have an anecdote about talking to random girls and how easy it was to get phone numbers. Many of the dates he ended going on resulted in getting some type of action. Sometimes I wondered if he exaggerated his success, but looking back I believe he actually underplayed it to not hurt my feelings. He knew I wasn’t getting any play and probably hid the strong interest girls were showing him while I got none.

Fast forward twelve years. I was back at home for a month after my trip to Europe. I hung out with him and another college friend in Baltimore. All three of us majored in the sciences with intentions to become doctors, but we all dropped that in favor for eventually starting our own businesses. One would open a restaurant, the other would start a consulting firm, and I would write.

We went out to a nearby bar that had about two guys for every girl. I immediately noticed my friend getting extended eye contact from women. I would maybe get a glance while he would get a double take. One girl walked by us, stared at him, and slowed down, possibly to give him a chance to approach.

We walked to another bar where it was more of the same thing. I might as well have been invisible. Then I saw a girl grab his arm and stare at him like a lost puppy dog. It was both pathetic and amazing at the same time. He didn’t say anything and she walked away, continuing to stare from a distance. She seemed to be displaying signs of love while even more girls stared. For him this was normal, another night of receiving more female attention than an average guy receives in an entire year.

All the game you learn and all the effort you put yourself through to make yourself an attractive man still can’t compete with my friend. He just has to show up, smile, make small talk, and seal the deal.
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This is in response to some of the deluded puas in this thread:

scepical-about-game-helping-with-legit- ... ml#p785698

scepical-about-game-helping-with-legit- ... ml#p785830

scepical-about-game-helping-with-legit- ... ml#p785991

The fact is anyone who has been out in the real world will understand how important Looks, Money, and Status are. Anyone who denies this is either deluded or a scammer. Note that the "or" in the previous sentence was not an "exclusive or".

This is not cynicism. This is merely stating that the sky is blue.

I am not bitter. I am only a realist.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:48 pm 
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Duh. Obviously looks, status, and money help. The idea of PUA is not to discount that, but to demonstrate that you can still get hot women without those three. Obviously, you have to have something going for you to get an attractive woman. If you are a total dead beat loser, why would any woman want you?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:25 pm 
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Duh. Obviously looks, status, and money help. The idea of PUA is not to discount that, but to demonstrate that you can still get hot women without those three. Obviously, you have to have something going for you to get an attractive woman. If you are a total dead beat loser, why would any woman want you?
You arent that bad. A lot of guys on here and everyone on RSD nation will explain to you that looks aren't even a bonus and that money and status are irrelevant as well.

A lot of guys also have the illusion they are good looking so they ignore this and keep being delusional about their chances to score with legit hotties, they land a cute girl they will picture in their head as a ten for every dozen of chubby club rat and ugly POF dates and sink further into their fantaisy world. Good for them but please stop the ridiculous bragging and marketting about PUA's banging hotties left and right even the gurus have been exposed to date ugly women. Imagine theses faces on a PUA DVD cover:

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So much for the guys who claim fivesomes with playmate of the year caliber girls. Keep believing in the pipe dream boys.


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(1) I assume you are probably pretty young, as you get older you will find who people date has less and less to do with looks than you may think so judging guys game by the looks of who they have an LTR with is stupid.
(2) The reason they say looks etc. don't matter is not because a good looking guy doesn't have an advantage, but because you can still get hot girls without looks and so that you stop worrying about your looks because they are what they are and you can still learn to improve game without improving looks (though you should try to improve looks also via gym etc.)

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:59 pm 
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(1) I assume you are probably pretty young, as you get older you will find who people date has less and less to do with looks than you may think so judging guys game by the looks of who they have an LTR with is stupid.
(2) The reason they say looks etc. don't matter is not because a good looking guy doesn't have an advantage, but because you can still get hot girls without looks and so that you stop worrying about your looks because they are what they are and you can still learn to improve game without improving looks (though you should try to improve looks also via gym etc.)
1) Why not for the LTR's. However the first girl I have posted(the fatty with the accordeon) was Jeffy Allen's okcupid date who turned out to be a feminist writer who wrote an article on how it went. It's hilarious, Jeffy got rejected but was awesome, he would have all my admiration if he was a self-admitted sex addict with low-standards who doesnt pretend he gets hotties on the reg. I'd never go on a date with such a warpig and I don't market myself as top-level seducer with a harem of 9's and 10's. This wasnt for a LTR or any of that shit this was a okcupid date. Also a lot of those guys have been seen mass-approaching ugly chicks. If there's a way to smash elite pussy this is not the direction I recommend looking at.

2) Yes you have the possibility to improve but this game isnt for everyone. Why lift for chicks if you are ugly and small anyways? You need model-tier looks if you don't have any status on the field. Imagine how different your cold approaches would be if you looked like this at 6"2:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:48 pm 
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To answer (1) yea that is funny. Either way, sometimes it's fun to get it in with a fatty! However, like i said, looks aren't everything for an LTR even for guys. As for 2, of course my game would be different depending how I looked; but that is part of PUA man, adapting your game to what you have and for what you do not have. The goal of PUA is not to be the best pick up artist in the world, but to be the "most improved" so to speak. And most improved can be a really huge fucking improvement for many people, even without good looks.

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To answer (1) yea that is funny. Either way, sometimes it's fun to get it in with a fatty! However, like i said, looks aren't everything for an LTR even for guys. As for 2, of course my game would be different depending how I looked; but that is part of PUA man, adapting your game to what you have and for what you do not have. The goal of PUA is not to be the best pick up artist in the world, but to be the "most improved" so to speak. And most improved can be a really huge fucking improvement for many people, even without good looks.
You seem honest. How can you cope with the amount of bragging and delusion among the seduction community?

Yet I have to disagree with you on the goal of PUA. It clearly is all about validation. Yes dating new women CAN BE sometimes interesting and a very good learning experience but there are many other way to meet interesting new people in fun circumstances. If it was all about the sex we would only rely on escort girls. It's mostly about the power trip and feeling good about your ability to seduce.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:37 pm 
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All the game you learn and all the effort you put yourself through to make yourself an attractive man still can’t compete with my friend. He just has to show up, smile, make small talk, and seal the deal.
Please take this with all the good humor intended.... Well fuck you're prettyboy Boy friend then!


At least I still get to feel good when I look down to piss

The truth is I could give a damn about that because your boy doesn't have time to service all that vag in a room in a night and neither do I the math all works itself out.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:21 am 
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its a weird feeling being good looking & getting blown out by an average as fuk girl....


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This thread is delusional.

Average looking guys with small cocks get laid too. In fact, majority of the males on this planet are ordinary looking and make the most number of babies worldwide. The OP is harping on the exception rather than the rule.

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Check out items 17 and 18 and other not so famous rockers that groupies have rated as to their bedroom skills and cock sizes.

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Another thing is that, before those HB10 hotties got to Beverly Hills or to NYC and started to work for a modeling agency, many of them got banged first by ordinary looking men without status or money.

Moreover, posting that OKCupid 'proof' that goodlooks get more pussy than the average looks is a scam. Why? These PUAHate guys created a fake profile of a goodlooking model. So what does that prove?

Simple. They can create fake profiles of girls too to respond positively to the goodlooking dude.

The reality out there is that more ordinary looking guys get laid than goodlooking dudes. If the goodlooking dudes are the only guys that are getting laid, then most of the people that you should see on the street should be goodlooking women and men.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:09 pm 
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Average looking guys with small cocks get laid too. In fact, majority of the males on this planet are ordinary looking and make the most number of babies worldwide. The OP is harping on the exception rather than the rule.
Yeah also we all have seen an ugly guy with a super hot woman...

Some information that PUAs omit, is that most relationships do not start through a cold approach.
Also all these "Alpha" personality traits that seem so attractive to women can't be displayed during a cold approach. These attractive personality traits are displayed through a lot of time.
When women say that personality is much more important than looks, is not that they are lying is that they are not taking into account the cold approach.

It is really absurd to believe that one answer, one neg or some weird "alpha" thing that you can do in 2 minutes of starting an interaction with any girl at any time will immediately start a train of thoughts in the girl like this: "Oh he did not kiss my ass as any other guy, that naturally can only mean that there are millions of other women wanting to sleep with him, he must be the tribe leader, ohhh and I remembered that evolutionary humans are not close to primates or dolphins, but we come from Lions where all the females from the group fuck only with the leader, dammed I'm so wet now that I can't wait for this guy to fuck me... of course he has only a limited time to make his move because after 5 minutes I'm not going to be wet anymore and if that happens he will enter forever and ever into the Friend-zone"


In cold approach I would say that if your goal is to start some kind of sexual relationship with the girl, then timing(meaning that you meet the girl in the moment that she was willing to meet someone) and looks determine 90% of your end result. The other 10% is about logistics and acting like a normal person.

If your end result is wanting to impress other guys, get tons of phone numbers, etc. Then yeah game determines 100% of your results.


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Yeah also we all have seen an ugly guy with a super hot woman...

Some information that PUAs omit, is that most relationships do not start through a cold approach.
Also all these "Alpha" personality traits that seem so attractive to women can't be displayed during a cold approach. These attractive personality traits are displayed through a lot of time.
When women say that personality is much more important than looks, is not that they are lying is that they are not taking into account the cold approach.

It is really absurd to believe that one answer, one neg or some weird "alpha" thing that you can do in 2 minutes of starting an interaction with any girl at any time will immediately start a train of thoughts in the girl like this: "Oh he did not kiss my ass as any other guy, that naturally can only mean that there are millions of other women wanting to sleep with him, he must be the tribe leader, ohhh and I remembered that evolutionary humans are not close to primates or dolphins, but we come from Lions where all the females from the group fuck only with the leader, dammed I'm so wet now that I can't wait for this guy to fuck me... of course he has only a limited time to make his move because after 5 minutes I'm not going to be wet anymore and if that happens he will enter forever and ever into the Friend-zone"


In cold approach I would say that if your goal is to start some kind of sexual relationship with the girl, then timing(meaning that you meet the girl in the moment that she was willing to meet someone) and looks determine 90% of your end result. The other 10% is about logistics and acting like a normal person.

If your end result is wanting to impress other guys, get tons of phone numbers, etc. Then yeah game determines 100% of your results.
The cold approach is the crudest sarging method around. However, you can't get good without learning the basics. The cold approach is a prerequisite to get sharper at reading and projecting body language. Most men suck at the nonverbal communication aspects and the cold approach usually fixes this.

By the 100th approach, any aspiring PUA should be sharp enough to recognize the nonverbal signs of rejection as well as the nonverbal signs of acceptance, or display the nonverbal signs of dominance and masculinity.

What you're pointing out isn't really a problem with propinquity plus the cold approach.

In this approach, for example in mall game, you build propinquity with the hired guns for around 3 weeks. After propinquity building, you now have massive social proof that enables you to make cold approaches (only approach girls who show glances of interests and/or eye fuck you back) and get a higher success rate.

You can demonstrate alpha traits during propinquity building as well as nonverbal alpha traits during the cold approach. Some PUAs sustain the crude street game cold approach for quite a long time and for whatever reason, we don't know for sure. But many of us here have grown past that.

Lurk around and you'll realize that there are a lot of noncommercial PUAs on this forum that have more sophisticated sarging methods than a few commercial PUAs' crude street game.

Learn to crawl before you walk. Learn to walk before you run. Learn to run before you sprint. That's the way it is. If people don't want to put in the effort and the hard work, there's really nothing the noncommercial PUAs around here can do for the newbies.

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Yes you are right with the propinquity unfortunately not everybody lives in an environment where these is possible. And actually I think that most people who enter to study pick up, start it because of the frustration of not being able to meet anybody and end up being just friends with the first girl that enters in their environment.

Their problem with women is not social anxiety, shyness, lack of social skills, ugliness, etc. Their problem is that at the workplace, classroom, extra curricular activities that they do, there are no available girls...

They probably go out to bars and clubs alone or with their group of guy friends, they can go out and walk in the streets and even if in those places there are lots girls in their proximity, they'll be seen if at all more of as an intruder than as a person that can become part of her group. Unless you are super "good looking" and here is where the discussion of this thread started.
PUAs want to sell you that the regular guy just with some skills, a couple of lines and techniques are able to break through this barrier of being an intruder and be able to get any girl at any time.

Having said that I want to also say that if anybody adds a little bit of PUA skills to propinquity, then yes anybody can get amazing results.


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