You might see girls being hit on all the time, but I don't. Maybe I don't pay enough attention. All I see is chumps asking girls stupid bullshit hoping she'll notice them.

Ironically... I've been to the places you're talking about (Scandanavia, Asia, Eastern Europe). I can also say that everything you and your buddy Roosh say about other countries is bullshit. The grass is not greener on the other side. Stop making excuses for your dismal game.

Actually, it's because women from those countries are desperate enough to want to leave and know they can if they find a moronic American.

If someone is offering you something it's because they want something BETTER in return.
Do you think no ones ever been to a club before?

Posting pictures of ONE particular club at ONE particular part of the world, when doing the same in another country isn't going to convince anybody.

Do you realise that Roosh is a businessman?

Do you realise that in order for him to sell his books about going abroad he needs to convince you that WHERE YOU ARE SUCKS.

If you didn't, well now you know...

Way to answer a civil post with not only dodging the points made and not addressing anything, but also taking another drive-by, baseless insult.

Don't bother posting unless you have something to contribute.

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Wait, he was in Croatia? Croatia is my homeland, we have a solid base of PUA here and it works as well as in every other country, of course some adjustments were necessary but as far as i see it that same adjustments were made by all other PUA across the world. I think i actually saw his report on one of our portals(our news are suckers for what foreigners say about us, lame rely) and as far as i remember he said that a reason he did not get any is because all the girls he was hitting on had boyfriends. Seriously, boyfriends, that is like the oldest civilized way to say fuck of in the world, and Croatian girls are no different then other girls in that regard. I call bullshit on this Sleazy guy.

I've made my points. You ignored them. I have nothing more to contribute. You are a lost cause. Good luck with your Roosh books.

This thread has turned into the some of the most retarded shit ever but seriously dude... You are making excuses. And you know what... if you don't like something about where you live... fucking MOVE! Did that thought ever run through your thick skull? You are turning other peoples excuses into your own. There are women everywhere. It doesn't matter what city you are in... Are there hotter women in LA than there are in Chicago? I guess that's up to you to decide. But if you want to be around hotter women... Bitching on a forum about how unattractive the women from your area are isn't really going to do you much good, now is it? Again, if you don't like something about your life, change it. It's your life. They are your excuses. So shut the fuck up about it and take action.

Also, You post one picture of a club that has more guys that it does girls... THAT IS ONE CLUB! Forget moving to a different city... Go to a different club down the street! It's pretty fucking simple! You really are just making excuses for your dismal game. Either change it or give up... You are beyond a hard case at this point. You are just narrow minded and ignorant. If you want to learn pick up, you have to have an open mind. You refuse to listen to anything someone suggests. Good luck to you bro.... Seriously, unless you change your thought process, that's all you've got going for you.

I'm glad you brought this up; I was actually meaning to mention it but it totally slipped my mind.

I haven't bought any of Roosh's books, and don't plan to. There's no need. I have no plans to travel to half of those places, especially not to be a sex tourist.

I get results already. Although I'm not this big pimp, living some rockstar life, I do okay. But I'll tell you, **it takes effort**

You see, in this country, dating/banging a "cute" girl is a BIG DEAL.

Why?

Because she can do herself up to be an 8.5+

You'll be at a cocktail party with her, and onlookers, friends, and family, will say to each other "How the fuck did THAT happen?!"

If you're not the best looking guy out there, some of the particularly shitty ones might even venture the dickish: "She's way out of his league!"

In my pre-game days, I had a friend tell me this smoking hot girl was on her way to another part of the bar and just stopped dead in her tracks and stared at me. Basically that she eye-fucked me then and there.

I asked for more info on it and he said, "Dude, I was as shocked as you were." I asked him what he meant by that. He just kind of had this laughing expression on his face, like, "Come on man, I thought you knew." Needless to say, that guy isn't my friend anymore.

But I'm digressing.

I don't want it to come across AT ALL that I'm saying you CAN'T HAVE success with women in the US. Of course you can. It's perfectly possible, even likely.

But given all of the above, do I give Roosh the time of day, that he *may* be onto something here, and that things with girls could be better with meeting/attracting women in other countries?

You bet!

You see, it's really starting to come together, and I really think I'm understanding why this guy is so hated, particularly by the guys who've had no-not much success with women, and those who've had *some* success:

- People hate finding out that they've been duped.

- They hate the idea that they've been putting in way too much effort to get the results they've gotten, like a sucker, essentially.

- People will fight tooth-and-nail against the idea that they've been banging their head against the wall, when they just could have changed 1-2 things (the environment may be one, may not be) and could have had such better luck.

Chris Rock put it best (paraphrased):

"There ain't a white person in THIS ROOM that would trade places with me. AND I'M RICH! Someone in here, there's a white, one-legged busboy, saying 'Naw man, I ain't switchin'. I'm gonna ride this white thing out, and see where it takes me.' That's how good it is to be white."

You've got the same animal here.

I changed my environment. I was in a shitty city. It was renowned throughout the region as having "one of the worst dating markets / not the place for singles / better to move here with a family you've already started, etc."

Sure people warned: "The grass is never greener!" "Geographical cures don't work! You'll have the same problems anywhere!"

I'm now in a major metro area in the US and am having a great time.

One of the last girls I dated back in that shitty town was *barely* a 7, I mean BARELY.

I met her, guess where, during a workday, in the office kitchen! (didn't work directly with, never saw her). I started chatting her up and one thing led to another, (yeah, so much for zmbcm1's claim that no girls ever get approached during the day.

We dated for a while, and in the end I did lose out to an orbiter. This girl had OVER A DOZEN! And for a SEVEN!

In a last-ditch attempt to keep her interest, because it was slipping, I sent her flowers on valentines day, and found out later that I was ONE OF THREE GUYS WHO SENT HER FLOWERS.

Like I said. Girls have options. Even the Sevens.

And to address that straw-man, "everybody has options / the McDonalds fatties, etc. etc." argument, um, no...

These were guys who were playing it to the hilt.

One orbiter owned a 2,000 square ft., 3 bedroom house, and a garage with EIGHT race cars, at 26 years old.

There were lawyers.

There were financial managers and marketing directors of fortune 500 companies.

There were some pretty big dudes mixed in there too. And there were certainly lots of "ladies' men", which I guess feeds into the stereotype that "men are pigs, they just want to sleep around!" "Well, if you only consider these top-dog (on a superficial level) guys who have plenty of options, that's what you're gonna be getting, because they have the options to be womanizers." ( < I say)

If a 7, who's almost 30, and fading-fast looks has over a dozen orbiters and 3 guys buying her flowers on valentines day, you've got to figure that something is very, very wrong here.

I changed my environment, and haven't seen any shit like that since.

Just sayin'

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I was actually typing up my post that addresses everything you and EagleEyes, and the other guy were saying, while you were typing up your dismissive, insulting dribble., but thanks for playing anyway.

You guys are so off-the-mark it's not even funny. Read above.

Issue fixed.

Can I have my views about what all went on / what might be going on elsewhere? I certainly hope so.

But I never made any of the claims, which I address in the above post.

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All I see are a bunch of complaints with no action to fix them...

You complain about not being able to pull more than average women. What do you expect if you are nothing more than an average guy? Build a better life for yourself. Get better women. It's pretty simple.

Rule #76: Don't make excuses, Play like a champion.

I'm going say something and I'm going to say it once...that's all you're getting from me in this thread. I don't need to convince anyone.
Do you know Roosh has never been to another major American state other than Washington DC?

Florida? No. New York? No. California? No.

He has never been there, and yet he ridicules American women ON THE WHOLE. How ignorant can that drone be?

The problem with many American men is that they put PUSSY above all else.

If you travel to a foreign country SOLELY to get laid, this is going to come across to the women one way or another.

Did you know that Roosh is hardly successful with women in the places he travels?

WHY should any woman on earth spread her legs for a random man? Do you think women in Eastern Europe drop their panties for any man as long as he is an American?

Roosh only ever found it easy in Poland (because of his appearance), and even then he doesn't find it easy anymore.

Every woman wants to be with BETTER MEN. It's as simple as that....and it will always be that way.

The one that is most desirable is never the hunter, they are always the hunted...which one are you going to be?

Roosh goes to places where he doesn't know anybody, doesn't speak the language, or know the culture...how desperate must a man be. What decent woman is going to be attracted to that?

There are pictures of Roosh with women floating around the Internet...and just about all of them are ugly. He has a website promoting travel...most average people who travel take a camera, but he doesn't, he posts no pictures what so ever.

I'm not saying he doesn't travel, what I'm saying is he goes for average women.

Read this: puahate com/showthread.php?t=38195

HELLO! Puahate Trolls.

I have already reported each one of you to the moderators but still no actions on their part and no reply from the mods.

But that is because internet marketing administrators with moderator positions in puahate.com also have moderator position in this forum as well as in hundreds of other forums.


Just use an I.P. tracer.

INTERNETZ ARE SERIOUS BUZINEZZ.

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Now now everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if it is contrary to our own, as long as they are civil about it. Internet is a free place, everyone can freely say what they want for as long as they do not insult somebody.

Paranoid schizophrenia. You have it. Time to hop on the meds.

Unless you were living in Chernobyl, this story sounds suspect.
Either this barely 7 was a supermodel and you were trying to convince yourself that she was nothing special, or these so called orbiters were pea-cocking tools, and you fell for their act as much as she did.

First of all you realize that 2000 sq. ft houses are below the average floor space for an American home (2700 sq ft), right? Did you see this guy's race cars? Any Enzos? MP4Cs? A 1990 Toyota supra isn't a race car.

A median layer's salary is 110K/year. That's not very much (your average silicon valley engineer with an MS makes that much), and that's a median, meaning chances are, the guys chasing a "barely 7 almost 30 year old" were probably shy of that number.
Marketers make pocket change, doesn't matter who they work for.
Financial directors, real financial directors (I don't know what these so called orbiters were directing, maybe a McDonalds branch?), don't chase women. They pick women. Not just barely 7s either.

You sent flowers to a girl that wasn't even your girlfriend, and then you got frustrated that she left you for a boy with a couple old sports cars? Well fuck me silly and call me Bill. Who woulda thought.
You know why? Not because your environment is different. Its because your mindset is different. You (I hope) pulled your head out of your ass and stopped putting the pussy on a pedestal (valentines flowers). I'm glad you're doing better. Just realize that your mindset, your perceptions are a lot more important than your location. If you went back to your old town without your old defeatist attitude I'm sure you'd do just as well.

Yeah.

This thread certainly contains one of the more eloquent debates in the PUA Lounge. The arguments from the different p.o.v.s are well thought of and the concepts are crystal clear; these are so well explained, it leaves no room for doubt.

Carry on people.

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