Dear Zip,

I took your Spiderman advice to heart. Here's how it turned out.

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Dedicate the moves at 7:00 to you.

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Roads,

Spiderman has some hot black socks on. You have to admit, ground beef is incredible.

Your Adamant Friend,
Zip

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Dude, will you specifically quote what I said earlier. I say a lot of things, so I'm not sure exactly what comment you're talking about. Get back to me so I can help you out, bro.

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Good morning sweety!!

My bad for earlier darling, i was going to quote but ya... anyways i wasnt getting what you said there? Is it a good thing or a bad thing!? Did i mention a good point so eveyone can learn from because that would be awsome.

And ofcourse you should never bite the hand that feeds you, that would just be wrong but you can always be playful

Persistence is remaining stubbornly resolute despite resistance. The thing I don't like about persistence is that it suggests bull-heading though a girl's bitch shield rather than making her want to take it down. Einstein said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. I think it's better to keep your strong frame in tact but be malleable in your technique so that you can go with the flow.
I think that some girls are bold enough to chase guys. Not all of them. If that were the case, they'd be prowling around bars, being as awkward as most guys are. Girls like the chase, most just won't make the first move.

Now, if you do happen upon a girl who is all about going after what she wants... you're partially right... you need to relax into the situation... but I'll guarantee you better give her a run for her money or she'll lose interest.
Because we don't want to seem needy. All you guys do is complain about clingy psycho girls. We hear you.

I can't speak for everyone, but I grew up in the south. My mother told me never call a boy first, or I'll seem like a hussy.
Weekday: It's going to be nice, easy, casual. We're not going to get wasted and end up sleeping together, and he knows it. He wants to just relax and enjoy my company. Either that or he's too ashamed to take me out on the weekend. This automatically goes into my head because I'll take out my "pity dates" on Tuesday nights.

Weekend: He wants fun. Maybe we'll have a nice, proper steak dinner... then we'll get a little shitty and tell each other a bit too much. He definitely wants to kiss me at some point. He also might station his friends to pass judgement on my approval rating.

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You're absolutely right. The bizarre phenomenon of girls "calling" guys over their friends is not only a dominance ploy over their own social group, but it also gives the girl a project or a goal for the night. Girls are always about projects (Making over a desperate looking girl, rearranging all the furniture one afternoon, etc.)

The wonderful thing about this is... it's not your problem. If a girl is going to call you, you have to of course be caring enough to save her face/feelings, but you also have to ensure she knows she doesn't have a chance. You like her friend, she needs to change her battle plan. You can help her change it by introducing her to another "project."

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Playful is fine, but one must always be aware of the impression one gives off. As a PUA, you are not only delving into the study of women... but you're delving more so into the study of you.

All I'm saying is that you have to be careful with your wingwomen/pivots/pawns/female coaches. They aren't there for you to neg or practice on, unless they have given you an invitation to play. This is a comment in general that is important to learn. Even if you're pawning a girl, she deserves respect. Leave everyone better than you found them, and you know you've got some real skill.

All this is a good thing. I'm here to help you in whatever way I can, so anything I say here is in the hopes of making you a better you.

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zip sweet hearth i got all the respect for you i told you that a few times already but i guess i did come off in a wrong way :/ and i should work on that! I appreicate what you pointed out. I do sometimes cross the line and im trying to learn when to stop in the mean while lets change to subject here lol

I gota ask you. I have another problem, yep im full of them but im working on it lol.

okay well i want to know how to start building sexual tention with a girl that you are hanging out for the first time! how do you start by going to do it? Do you do it by body language? or talk about it? im confused here! i can do eveything else, make then laugh,dhv, cocky funny, deisualify, neg etc.. but i have trouble going furture!! how do you show a girl that your inerested in her sexualy with out just saying it but doing it in the right way? Is there a routine for it?

thank you so much, your the best!!

Good man. Okay: A lot of guys have your problem. They're great at opening, dhv, C&F, Negging, etc. However, do you run into the problem where you try to kiss her at the end of the night and it's weird? What the fuck is going on? You're being incongruent.

first of all, if you're great at all that stuff, you need to start backing away from the routines. They're great training wheels, but that's what they are.

1.) You haven't been properly using Kino the entire time. If you immediately initiate contact when you first start talking to her (start with the forearm) it shows the utmost confidence. Girls dig confidence (not assholes.)

You escalate the kino through banter/storytelling/the rest of A into C1-3... whatever method you're using.

2.) Use double entendre, use wit, use sexual undertone. Yes, body language is important. Phase shift your syntax to remind her that you are a sexual being and she should look at you that way. This can only be done after she's comfortable with you, so you don't come across as skeevy.

If you WANT a routine... go for a variation of Style's evolutionary phase shift. I use the perfume phase shift, which can be found in my reverse field report in the FR section.

Hope this helps. Be congruent! Be kick ass! Kino escalation and double entendre!

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M_style, hey man. Just a little note Zip has given me permission to add . . .

You will also have to calibrate with the girl. Depending on your own personality, and hers. If you have a more indirect personality, start with the sexual frame in a more subtle way. If you have a more direct personality, you could make the sexual undertones stronger, quicker. But, if this is the case, you also have to calibrate yourself by watching her own reactions/responses to what you are saying. If you go overboard, you could blow her out with her thinking you're skeevy. However, if you pay attention to her signals, and continue to push the envelope w/o breaking the barrier, you'll achieve just what you're looking for.

And, by no means disregard what Zip has already said.

awsomeness , come to tink of it, i dont do much kino i alwasy forget until its time to leave :/..Or i dont do as much. But as far as me kissing a girl, well i would be awkward to do that afront of her freinds the first time i see her lol, i rather do it in a one on one date with her you know. i want to build the sexual tention and leave her wanting more the next time i meet her. i will look more into the perfume shit tosee becuase i am still learning about this phase so i rather do some rutines until i come up with mine.

Here is a funny story, there were 2 girls that i know give up easy and it was me and m freind whom one of them likes. so we all go out, infact the girls picked us up and right there i knew it was on as long as i played the cards right. But my damn fridns always goes with he mentality of " no i dont want her blah, blah.." so eveything ends up on my shoulders and we end up with nothing. it came to a point where the girl was saying let me see your abs blah blah and then she grabed my boxers to see the stuff lol but i didnt let her.. btw this was on a rainy night! so we sit in the car again and my friend just laied ack in the car without saying anything the whole time..so i told them lets go home w.e..now we are almost home the girls are like lets drop me off then they have something to do with my freind i was like wtf..i didnt care i said no bigge..and still my freind end up going home without doing anything. i just hate it when your wing man doesnt help you out. but the problem he whole time was that we were at a view and eveyone was quite, i knew what was going on on the grils mind but i didnt know how to interdue the topic of sex without being a perverd.

appreicate it G

Wow... 26 pages. You guys are great... keep 'um coming. Maybe if we ever hit 50 pages, I should throw a party or something

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Umm, yeah . . . it's called AFC man . . .

Sorry Zip, I'll let you answer the rest of that . . . I just had to put that in there babe.

Okay. This is a thing that all girls do... we check up on old boyfriends. It's psychopathic, but it's this innate quality that we "compete" with our ex boyfriends. Whoever has the best life after the breakup wins. Seriously. Most every girl does this. I even do it, and it's totally embarrassing.

She's probably getting attracted to you because of the DHV on that profile. Yes, there are ways that you can effectively kill attraction. Tripp, I'd go so far as to say it's called being a douche. You don't want to do that. You're better than that. You need to man up and be honest with her, whatever your intentions.

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