Three main reasons why most "puas" suck and never really get good:

1) They believe that the women is higher value and must prove their own value by showing it and lowering hers. This is why guys DHV, Neg, and all kinds of other stupid shit.

2) They believe that verbal game is super important.

3) They put more focus on "running solid game" than actually closing the deal and fucking her.

Lets break this down.

1) I have already written a post on why focusing on value is a bad idea so I'm not going to rehash that. To put it simply, its much more efficient to focus on sexual attraction than value based attraction. Turn a woman on and you will automatically have value to her.

I have also written multiple post on how to turn a woman on. Check them out!

2) 80% of a typical guys effort is focused onto verbal game yet it really only matters like 20%, maybe even less. Besides the fact that you should be letting her do most of the talking, the things that actually matter are:

- Eye contact
- Posture
- Body Language
- Voice tone
- Your attitude (Dominance/Masculine Polarity/Swag)
- Physically leading
- Non verbal sexual escalation
- Your looks (Style/Hair/Physical Traits)

Verbals truly don't matter that much.

3) Most guys WAY over game because their think seduction is way more complicated than it is. After 5 - 10 minutes pretty much all women either like you or they dont. If they dont you need to move on and if they do you need to stop "gaming" and CLOSE.

Many times a chick will be thinking "jeeze, I wish he would invite me home already. Why does he keep trying so hard?" While at the same time the guy is still DHVing and trying to impress her and to "attract" her. Their more focused on "running game" than they are on the actual women.

Have the killer instinct and always be trying to close. You don't need much "game."

This post was short and brief so if you have questions post below.

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I agree especially with the negs and DHV part.
However in daygame, game is slower, and trying to close too early might put the girl's ASD guard up and make things difficult. I went on 2 dates with 2 girls last week. They were both interested from the getgo. The first one was showing guarded interest. Met her at a random daytime social event. Started the date light, escalated slowly for 3 hours, F closed. She's a cheerleader.
Next girl 2 days later: uglier, much more interested when I met her (was a friend of a friend at a bar), was kinoing ME the night we met, etc. Either way we did a lot of flirting, kino. I didn't k-close that night because I was new in the social group, didn't want to come off as too aggressive in front of everyone. She came over to my place for coffee (drove 1 hour), I try to meet her with a kiss, she turns the cheek. That pretty much blew me out, though I maintained a dominant frame the ENTIRE time (I actually took some phenibut beforehand for the first time, just for shits and giggles. I swear you could have dropped a piano on me and I wouldn't care). Went for another, I dare say pretty smooth k close an hour later, shut down again. And this is by an uglier, more interested girl than the one just 2 days before. I actually think I just came on too aggressive from the start, and it put her guard up, and ultimately got in the way of scoring.
Though I will say, in retrospect, I was much much more gamey with the second girl, because she had something of an attitude compared to the cheerleader (irony). I notice my general attitude mirroring girls when I'm with them. When I'm with a nice girl, I tend to be friendly and nice and warm. When I'm with a girl that likes to shit test me and be witty, I stay one step ahead and sometimes overdo the negs (though a lot of times its just me letting my arrogance come out, nothing fabricated).

I agree with all the points except for 1). Game IS about demonstrating sufficiently high value to the woman; higher value than her threshold. I agree though with the rest of what you said; a lot of game is eye contact, confidence, kino, etc. and that people overgame like crazy. But, eye contact, posture, etc. are all DHV.

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with the point about attraction is either there or isnt in 10 minutes, does that apply to game with people you know well. Eg people in your circle of friends who you see often?

You missed out No 4 : They don't approach.

Guys would get laid more if they just forget about the whole concept of "value."

Think about it this way, if you want sex then sex is your product that your selling. If you want her to buy (fuck you) you want her to be interested in your product. The best way to do that isn't to show her how cool you but rather its more efficient to make her horny. When shes horny she going to want to fuck. Then BINGO, your goals are the same.

Also, if you have high self esteem I'm sure you value your product (your sex). Therefore its not just enough to want her to buy, you must she of shes worthy of your product.

Trying to show your value is akin to saying "I hope she likes me." My way is akin to saying "I wonder if I will like her."

One way is simply more efficient than the other. Forget about value.

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Totally agree with all these points.

I think point one and two are actually related. Guys focus on DHV'ing *ahum boasting ahum* and negs *ahum teasing ahum*, precisely because they think that words are so damn important. But they forget that sex is not a logical proposition that someone can be convinced into. Imagine a gay guy coming up to you, impressing you with awesome DHV stories, toying with your self esteem through playful negs, AMOGing away all your friends. You're gonna give your delicate hindflower up to him? I didn't think so. The large part of attraction is not created through words, but through physique and through physical acts. You can go up to a woman in a bar, take her home, and fuck her without saying a word.

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That's strongly dependent on the setting. Bar, yes it can work. Daygame? No chance. You have to talk and build comfort before most girls will let you escalate physically. Also, attraction doesn't always happen within 5 minutes. Most of my girlfriends I actually wasn't attracted to when I started talking to them (though they were pretty good looking, they just didn't have the features I look for (tall blonde fetishist here) ). I became attracted to them usually after talking to them for an hour and finding their personality attractive. A good conversation can do wonders for attraction, imo.

I think this should be #1

My day game is pretty sexual so yes it works there too. I fluff talk about whatever but the real "magic" is in my sexual eye contact, me holding her hand, standing close to her, and speaking in a sexual tone.

Also, men and woman's attraction works differently.

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I don't buy the "i'm the prize component" as something different than DHV'ing/negging The i'm the prize attitude most likely is successful because it manifests itself as confidence which is DHV and at the same time acts as somewhat of a neg. Women get turned on from a lot more than just thinking about sexual things. Why not use some of the other tools available versus relying entirely on caveman style game? Don't get me wrong, I agree guys overgame like crazy and are clueless when to just physically escalate and take the game to that next level, but to say it's all you need might work on some girls in some situations, but it's drastically oversimplifying it and not as efficient as a combination of DHV -> sexual escalation.

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EPIC facepalm.

ooh man, OP you are mentally retarded and probably a puahating troll or 1 of aaron sleazys alternate troll account.

You are trying to capitalize money out of the anti - pua market niche by using a hodge podge of esoterics based on inaccurate and often false information. This is dangerous and misleading and will only harm people.

PUA's do not believe women have higher, (well some do anyway).

ohh my God, ohh my God , ohh my God! These stupid puahate.com trolls are trolling this forum. shit.

I hate this stupid scammers.

1. Demonstrating higher value than that of a woman or by lowering the woman's perception of value is largely due to the fact that women want a QUALITY man.
Women want a man that is better than themselves. They want a BIGGER, BETTER DEAL.

2. Women have a system for identifying worthy genes because women are programmed to want/desire worthy genes and this means a man with GREAT VALUE.

3. Women have an innate mechanism to filter out the winners from the loserz because WOMEN want winners.

4. WE DO NOT WANT LOSERS! warpmindless you fucking fail of a puahating aspergery keyboardjockey.
women do not want losers.

5. Women want the best male candidate. We do not want Inferior human beings. Please understand the basic driving force behind sexual evolution.

Women are instinctively, naturally attracted to men with superior genes, That is their basic design.

Please stop scamming people, please, please stop scamming you lousy freaking scammer bastard.

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A lot of the pu tactics were design to circumvent and exploit the loopholes to getting a girl to have sex.
But still tactics aren't a substitute to self - improvement.




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ohh my God, ooh my God these puahating asspies should be wipe out and their genes weeded out of existence.

Ohh wait, women are already doing these things. These puahating creeps deserve it. The puahaters will fail to procreate then they have no offspring.

This will reduced the number of mentally retarded puahaters on the planet and thus contribute to the continued evolutionary enhancement of intelligence.

I guess, it is all about the survival of the most superior.

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Tsk. Tsk. Bad advice.

This is not what always happens on field. It's very theoretical to say the least. Women want to fuck high quality men and won't give you the runaround but would almost always settle for someone within their quality range.

If a man's value is too high (too handsome, too rich, too intelligent, too athletic, too many girls liking him, and so on), then most girls are not going to hook up with him although given the chance, the right moment and enough amount of girlie confidence, they'll settle for at least a one night stand.

This is the situation when a girl tries to qualify herself to a man. If men do not accept this qualification from a woman, then the f-close fails. Women want a BIGGER, BETTER DEAL but they are afraid of (subtle) rejections coming from high quality men so most of them would rather settle for the loser who will sexually escalate with them rather than the winner who doesn't show any interest in banging their pussies.

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@hellbound

what you are referring to are highly insecured ugly girls. Some girls may just be psychologically damage and feels inferior so SOME of them will settle for something at least of equal value BUT these are "EXCEPTIONS" and exceptions do not prove the rule.

And I also said there are ways to circumvent and exploit loopholes. These aren't all encompassing black and white truths but rather speaks of the "TENDENCY" of women to do such acts.

Please look in the dictionary and study the definition of "tendency"

/ˈtendənsē/
Noun

An inclination toward a particular characteristic or type of behavior: "her tendency to socialize"; "criminal tendencies".

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and the general tendency for women is to want/desire men of greater Value/Quality.

exceptions exist but they aren't the rule.

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