Last month I have spent viewing forums, Reading books and watching videos in terms of "Game". I'm 25 and only been with two girls yeah I know right....... Few months ago a female friend and I were getting close until the interest dropped majorly I guess you could say I stopped being a man and made all the wrong moves.

After the study and one month from the disagreement with my friend I decided to provide some new material at this time she is quite dull to my texts but at least is now replying now then she did. I noticed she had deleted me on SPAM so I re-added her to get a reply and add straight away.

My issues is I'm still too new to the entire "Game", She is seeing someone else but not a full blown a relationship (F-Buddys). I've come back with the attitude "I am the prize here not her" in doing so I've noticed when I give her little attention she tries harder for mine.

I made a small text conversation via the phone, Mirrored her reply time and made sure their were no smileys read somewhere that it is bad to do that when not dating. I met her via online gaming (WoW). She ended up quitting because she gets bored fast but I'm assuming because I was always around and annoying her.

We had a longer conversation via SPAM text, Do the same rules apply to online text as they do to texting via phone? She calls me hun sometimes which I assume I need to neg so I call her kiddo and I guess I'm seen as the big brother how do I move from this area?

I've been very careful to make sure that I do not make the same mistakes and when talking to her via text Should I put the emphasis on all about her and less about myself?

Thanks guys for the input. I can put the SPAM conversation if it helps so people can analyze what I am doing wrong. Both of us are a bit nerdy so don't judge us lol trying to get that aspect out of my life at the moment.

Had to make a second section for this to be posted.

[1:35:06 PM] Jess: meow
[1:39:07 PM] sando139: Oh hey I remember you that short girl yeh?
[1:39:50 PM] Jess: -growls- I may be short but I'm still feisty.
[1:41:10 PM] sando139: Yeah you pack the punch of a pillow!
[1:41:42 PM] Jess: I'd take you on.
[1:41:52 PM] sando139: Bring it bitch!
[1:42:04 PM] Jess: -gets the claws out-
[1:42:30 PM] sando139: -Gets vampire teeth out-
[1:43:49 PM] Jess: -laughs- Oh please. You don't have vamp teeth.
[1:44:11 PM] sando139: You would be surprized actually.
[1:44:40 PM] Jess: Maybe not. XD
[1:45:07 PM] sando139: Always had a obsession with vampires
[1:45:34 PM] Jess: That panda hat -_-
[1:45:43 PM] Jess: I miss WoW
[1:46:03 PM] sando139: I know right, How fucking awersome is it! Speaking WoW new patch came out today downloading it now missing all the fun!
[1:46:18 PM] Jess: Fuck you.
[1:46:25 PM] Jess: Don't make me come back.
[1:46:29 PM] Jess: I'll do it!
[1:47:16 PM] sando139: Come back if you want, Just be warned I'm well known now around the server. Ran a comp last month I gave some gaming mouses out to the players =)
[1:49:33 PM] Jess: What was the comp?
[1:49:49 PM] sando139: Pet battle I'm so fucking in to it now!
[1:50:15 PM] Jess: Laughs. Ah the memories.
[1:50:40 PM] sando139: I think I got one called Pika somewhere in my storage pets lol.
[1:51:01 PM] Jess: Better be a fucking good one
[1:51:12 PM] sando139: I don't think so rofl.
[1:52:38 PM] Jess: Asshole.
[1:52:58 PM] Jess: Fuck now I wanna play again.
[1:53:22 PM] sando139: Naaaa dittoms you hurt my feelings! Not!
[1:53:35 PM] Jess: Omg the kids broke my naga
[1:53:47 PM] Jess: It's the saddest story ever.
[1:54:06 PM] sando139: Well if your a good girl I know what to get you for your bday now thanks =)
[1:54:23 PM] Jess: The mouse wheel doesn't work anymore. I wasn't going to bother getting another one if I didn't go back to wow.
[1:54:47 PM] sando139: A play a bit more then WoW these days =x
[1:55:03 PM] Jess: Me too!
[1:55:27 PM] Jess: Oh oh.. I got some guitar hero controllers finally. I have 3 now XD
[1:56:52 PM] Jess: I also got some new games. I have 8 guitar hero games now.
[1:58:57 PM] sando139: Sorry SPAM decided to update, Was playing that on the weekend.
[1:59:27 PM] Jess: Also into minecraft.
[1:59:42 PM] sando139: Still not played that, Have to show me one time.
[2:00:00 PM] Jess: Eh it's a basic game.
[2:00:16 PM] sando139: Yeah you told Tim now his obsessed with it rofl.
[2:00:28 PM] Jess: Oh really?? Lmao.
[2:00:52 PM] sando139: Yeah his misses asked him to go out and he goes I'm playing minecraft fuck off off =x
[2:01:34 PM] sando139: Speaking of WoW, All the new gear is released be done gearing in a week. Also recruiting a mage rofl. Brb need to talk to my officer
[2:01:51 PM] Jess: Oh is that so..
[2:02:06 PM] Jess: Seems I might need a replacement mouse sooner than I thought.
[2:02:23 PM] sando139: I have a spare one.
[2:02:34 PM] sando139: http://vortacity.enjin.com/
[2:03:41 PM] sando139: Check the chat room out haha.
[2:05:13 PM] Jess: Lol.
[2:06:27 PM] sando139: Spent some time on the website.
[2:08:24 PM] Jess: Looks good.
[2:09:03 PM] sando139: Thanks, Recruitment page could use some work.
[2:09:33 PM] sando139: Multi tasking SPAM, Looking for new skateboard wheels.
[2:10:14 PM] Jess: Want me to leave you to it?
[2:10:30 PM] sando139: Phone brb.
[2:23:53 PM] sando139: Still on phone ><
[2:24:00 PM] Jess: ..
[2:37:44 PM] sando139: GOD 3 people ring me in like 30 mins what is this!
[2:50:35 PM] sando139: You're more then welcome to register on site and talk in the chat if you wish.
[2:50:59 PM] Jess: Nah it's okay. I'll leave that for the guildies.
[2:51:21 PM] sando139: Well if you ever come back, Two of them are not guildies lol
[2:54:19 PM] Jess: Thanks hun.
[2:59:08 PM] sando139: How is your job searching going find anything you like?
[3:21:52 PM] Jess: Nope nothing.
[4:21:51 PM] sando139: Their has to be something you like Jess, What would be your dream job?
[4:38:10 PM] sando139: I will most likely be gone by the time you see this, Maybe have a think on it and let me know next time we talk. I gotta scoot so I'll catch you around kiddo!

Her saying fuck you and calling you asshole afterwards doesn't sound too good.

Hmm, this is kind of tricky. You mentioned things went bad, could you elaborate more as to what occurred between you two? May help determining your position and how you should proceed.

Basically every beta male mistake their is to make clingy / jealous / insecure etc, I've stopped texting her and decided not to contact her via game. She may be coming to my birthday next week on Friday so not sure what to do shes not seen me in a while and I've changed my look to be more me.

Currently she is very cold and dull to me, It was stated that I'm too "full on" I want to get this image of me gone and be seen as a fun loveable alpha male. Problem on the game is she always sees me about so I've toned my game time down.

I also know shes into some very kinky sexual things, I'm seeking a woman with that spark and fire in the bedroom. I see myself and who I want to be so on Friday I want her to see that bad boy that other side. Basically we are not talking that much anymore and her interest level is so low.

I told her I would contact her on Monday or Tuesday to clarify plans, I'm thinking I might do it on Wednesday make the plan and get of the phone. Any tips? I believe I need to back off and vanish a little bit be a mystery again. As I said shes moved in with some other guy and I believe they are sex buddies she has stated that she found it strange confusing because the guy wanted a relationship with her and she did not how attracted she is to him I'm unsure of.

She was seeing this guy when we went out last, The less attention I gave her the entire night the more she tried to pull my attention to the point she walked up to me and stuck her tongue down my throat and in that regard I looked at her and walked away from her after the kiss.

Bit of an update, Shes coming to my party this Friday. She did ask if my other mate was going however not worried about him one bit he is extremely socially awkward and makes so many mistakes it is not funny.

How should I proceed with the night?

Gonna give you some advice bro. Seems like she's not attracted to you and you goofed by acting beta. If she's asking about your friends then you're in the friend zone.

I realized the beta goofed bit, That friend is my brother in law. I plan to go all out on Friday show the real alpha side even if I have to game in front of her. She has not seen me in a month in that time I've changed my style and look to work more with how I feel.

Gone out and spoken to girls and had a few chasing me currently, I'm 100% not concerned about my mate his already making mistakes and his young has no friends, no job and talks a lot of crap via FB. Shes barely talking to me currently so I will attempt to get out of the FZ.

I think the best thing you can do is disregard her and flirt with other chicks in front of her. Seems shallow but it'll work.

Thought that might be the case, Last I heard she maybe coming. Don't want to force her hand so not really contacting her.

Go fuck 10 other women.....

Looking at the conversation it makes sense she is kind of "meh" on you. You started out with some good banter, but then you kind of went on and on about WoW. You had lots of opportunities to sexualise the conversation or make her laugh. Eventually you started asking about her and I'm sure she was quite bored.

For example, talking about the vampire thing, it's a good chance to be sexual. For example,

[1:41:42 PM] Jess: I'd take you on.
[1:41:52 PM] sando139: Bring it bitch!
[1:42:04 PM] Jess: -gets the claws out-
[1:42:30 PM] sando139: -Gets vampire teeth out-
[1:43:49 PM] Jess: -laughs- Oh please. You don't have vamp teeth.
You: No, true, but I do have a bit of fetish. There's something peculiar about biting a girl's neck.

The rest is pretty boring, kind of like two friends would write. If she's not making smileys all the time and LOLs and such, then you aren't doing it right. The formula is make joke out of everything she writes, don't answer questions directly, and try to find ways to insinuate sex into everything you write. The same goes for in person conversations.

Even if you've messed up in the past, if when you speak to her in the future you communicate like that, she'll like you.

I deal with girls like this a lot.

Guess what? They're just like any other woman. Just have slightly more wit and you can converse with them about more topics. Like the guy above me said. Sexualize the conversation more. Don't let her be the focus of you life. If you were recently in the friend zone, a month isn't really going to change her perception of you unless you really HAVE changed. Speaking from experience, you should probably let go of her for a bit. Fuck ten other women. Keep her as a backup plan. Don't treat her so much as a friend. More like a Fuck buddy.

Hey guys sorry for reading the posts sooner, Everyone has been a big help. Basically she didn't come to my party we had a fight a extremely big one and interest is now 0 with that being said its time to move on. I didn't let that ruin my night however I used the time to improve my communication skills and a bit of dirty play which I've never had the confidence to do.

Problem with online gaming is I'm too in the girls face theirs no mystery and currently working from home does not help, I've decided to get back out there and maybe join the air force or army. Prefect my physical and mental self. Question has anyone failed with a girl come back months later and had a better shot?

I'm thinking of leaving this one from 6 months to a year. The more I read and the more I do the better and more confident I feel with myself. I was watching this girl for a good hour I was also watching this guy try to pick her up he seemed very push and extremely needy I was shocked to watch and I asked myself was that me a month ago?

He tried very hard in the end I walked up behind her and whispered in her ear something fun and exciting and winked at her. She looked at me smiled then ran to her friend. I was like meh shes gone so I jumped up on the d floor and started dancing by myself next thing I know shes all over me and dancing with me it was a power I had never felt before and what surprised me was their was other girls watching me.

Hey guys,

Hope your all well, Still trying to determine a good time for a reappear still hard to get her out of my head shes like a toxin. I've been testing the waters with other chicks and taking myself WAY outside of my comfort zone still a little shy to an extent but getting there.

I'm looking at increasing myself physically and improving looks and wealth to an extent, My friend has quit the game so I see this as a good time to vanish for a bit and get some breathing space last I heard she was moving house with whom I'm not to sure.

Any suggestions on what books I should be reading? Confidence would be a start.