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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 12:55 pm 
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Saturday night.

For the first hour or so we went on the streets. An oriental looking girl walked past and Jackal always says these are the hardest to stop so told me to go. I ran back to stop her, gave her a compliment and made a couple of assumptions/statements about her to get some information back about her rather than just asking questions. She didn't speak good English but I carried on speaking to her anyway, it was going well but for some reason I rejected myself and left it by telling her to have a good evening (something I find myself doing on occasions so something to work on is to stay in set until they leave).

A few girls later Jackal said I should pretend to be blind and he'll walk me up to someone to speak to. I couldn't stop smiling at first as I thought the idea was hilarious, anyway, my eyes closed holding onto Jackal he stopped a girl and just told her i was blind. I shook her hand, made her twirl (no reason why), spoke for a minute or so before she left - it was a strange experience. Jackal then told me to run back to close her, I did, went back and said i'm not really blind but we should grab a drink sometime and got her number - something i need to practice is to arrange the date there and then - i.e what are you doing wednesday, OK, meet you at blah blah, at blah blah... Rather than arranging over text. After i got back to Jackal he explained its good to do it blind as you've got no external influences, as in you don't know if she's attractive so it's just raw conversation and he said it would slow down your speech - which i noticed it did.

We got back to paradise forum where a girl was outside on her own, I told her that her friends were rude for leaving her, but it was OK, I'm her new friend now and better than her old friends. We spoke for a while (turned out she saw me do the blind set on the street so we joked about that), Jackal came out later and joined the conversation, I got her number and said I would text her and we were going to hang out later. Whenever Jackals told me to go for a kiss I always mess it up because it seems forced, i didn't get a kiss this time. Jackal told me i need to hold her neck and pull her to me rather than leer in as much.

We went to the next bar, we've been working on AMOGing each other in a jokey way to get used to it, whilst Jackal was getting a drink i saw a girl take her shoe off to show her true height to a lad she was chatting to. I told her to put them back on because her feet smelt then offered her my hand, she took it so i pulled her towards me. Spoke for a minute then asked her what the craziest thing she's done this night whilst staring at her lips, she said my friends are here (which wasn't an answer) so I kept her hand and pulled her out the way of her friends, this time grabbed her head and kissed her. (Something i've heard RSD say, they may not want to kiss you because her friends are about, so find the solution, take her out the view of her friends...). Kissed for a while, we were leaving so Jackal told me to bring her with us, she came to a certain extent, then I picked her up and carried her down the stairs - but she wouldn't come the rest of the way. She went back to the bar. Jackal said i should go back, tell her to cut the shit, ditch her friends, its now or never - I did, she didn't come though but said i'd call her later (She did call me later, at 4.30am, when i was back home... Nice one, i'm asleep!!)

There was a hen do going off in a bar so I had a little fun with them, they gave me a dare card to jump on someones back and ride them, so i pointed to one of the hen do girls and did it to her, if only there was a hen do at the start of every night to get you going and in the mood as they always seem to be fun. Something to take from it I guess is the fact that i should be the one that looks like i'm having a hen do, and people want to join me when i talk to them.

Jackal was talking to 2 girls, said i should join them, whilst talking to one I altered my body language so she had to turn away from her friend to talk to me (again something i've seen RSD say, making them turn their back away from friends is practically isolation) so we were having 2 separate conversations rather than a 4 way conversation. We were chatting for quite a while then Jackal said, come on, we're going outside. Me and him went outside then he said we should go back, #close then chat for a couple minutes more then leave - we did.

Things I learnt - try not to let external factors influence the conversation, get into the "hen do" mood as soon as you can so people want you to talk to them and finally to hold the neck when going for a kiss..


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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 5:30 pm 
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Thursday

Two set in the smoking area. Pulled up a chair and said ‘You guys seem cool, who are you?’ They were apparently lesbians and the hotter one was leaving the country soon as part of her degree. I couldn’t decide whether they were making it up or not and so didn’t escalate, which didn’t help the situation. I guess I need to just go for it anyway. Regardless, I got the number.

Two set- they were seated at a table in the bar. I teased the one about her degree and ended up getting her number when her friend went to the toilet. I escalated a bit towards the end but this is still a major sticking point for me. I should escalate quicker to screen and to not waste any time.

Approached a hot asian girl going to sit down with her friend. ‘We’re lesbians. We’re on a date.’ More (fake) lesbians: great! Jackal told me to approach again as her friend left to go to the bar. She was from Vietnam and didn’t have the greatest English. After some kind of awkward chat I went for the number and received the ‘I don’t have a number in England yet’ line. I reapproached twice later and tried again but to no avail. It was good to approach the same set so many times as it made me realise that nothing bad will happen in terms of people saying that you are harassing girls.

A new bar and another two set (asian)- No claims of lesbianism here, although the hot one was apparently going back to China the next day. I found this set much more social than the last one, way easier to talk to. When the friend tried to get them both to leave I said that she was mine and she’s staying. This actually worked and is something I intend to do again.

Two set- Jackal opened them on the street and I came in to wing. They were both Eastern European and very hot. The one I was talking to seemed about a foot taller than me but because I was confident and just made her laugh this didn’t bother me at all. I bottled the k-close though which is something I need to work on. We could have bounced them to a bar but I needed to get home so that was out too.

Jackal and I did a blind set at the end of the night which was an interesting experience. It felt very chilled not reacting to other people’s body language, as if you could say anything with complete confidence. It’s a great feeling knowing that however the person looks it doesn’t influence you at all.


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 5:22 pm 
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Thursday

Notable sets-
Three set seated- I opened one of them as her two friends had disappeared to the toilet. When they came back the one tried to dominate the conversation but I managed to regain control of the interaction and deal with some shit tests about drinking a soft drink. This is becoming a lot easier to do now and doesn’t make me feel in the least bit defensive. Got the number close on the initial one I opened. Should have tried to isolate the one in order to make the number more solid.

Two set at the bar- Isolated the one as Jackal came in to wing. To start with it was a bit awkward as she was trying to use her card to pay for drinks as I was talking to her. Part way through her friend came into the set and I got the first girl to introduce me. I think the second girl was more into it so perhaps I should have tried to isolate her. Didn’t number close but found out where they were seated in order to go back later.

Two set outside- Was a funny set in which a lot happened. Two guys asked for a lighter trying to amog but I just ignored them and they wandered off. Went for the number close and got the boyfriend line so I decided to isolate the other one and go for her number. She was reluctant as I’d ‘chosen’ her friend over her and gave me shit for it. I was dealing with the shit test pretty well until her (guy) friend came into set and the set broke down. Maybe if I had done some kino on the first girl she would mentioned the boyfriend earlier so I could have switched with less resistance.

Friday

Three set seated- All three were high energy so I had to push to lead the conversation. This part of my game is improving and I feel a lot more comfortable not asking chode questions and just talking shit. Similar to the night before I didn’t isolate and didn’t do any kino. Got the number but I don’t feel it was that strong. Jackal said that I should go back and isolate the one but I became really nervous and tried to justify it to myself in that I didn’t want to ‘fuck it up’ as I had the number. Next time, listen to Jackal.

Stopped two girls walking past the bar. The set hooked and I attempted to get them to have a drink. I grabbed the one girl’s hand but didn’t lead strongly enough and they resisted. It felt good to try moving a set to the bar as I haven’t done this before. Next time, lead strongly and assume they will follow.


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:14 pm 
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Thursday

First time out with Jackal after a week or two absence from the scene. Fun and a good laugh as always, ran some really good sets in the Pitcher with a couple of number closes. Need to work on ball busting, extraction and getting compliance. Tried some direct approaches in the street – some definitely went better than others – but learnt a lot, body language really is the key here, especially when approaching. Need to do some more observing of Jackal/practising of these. Plan for the week is to really focus on people’s body language/do some reading about it and try some approaches in the street/cafes, so I can be ready to go again with Jackal next week.


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 9:58 pm 
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Saturday evening:
First time back in Birmingham for a couple of weeks due to busyness.

We were just chatting in the smoking area when Jackal said to approach a group, ignore the group and just directly talk to the girl and ignore anything the group says - it's been something he's been working on recently as a way to avoid distractions. I went over and told her she was pretty and wanted to find out if she was a cool person or one of those bitchy pretty girls. She wanted to stay with her friends initially but i insisted and made it a smaller step by saying we can just stand here - to which she accepted and came with me to a few feet within her friends. I tried angling myself so that her back was to her friends but i couldn't get it, i should of in hindsight just spun her round. I ignored her friends for quite a while but stupidly one said "hey nice to meet you" and offered me his hand, i shook it and then we started talking and the girl sat back down - jackal said that next time i should just say, 2 minutes, we're just talking. We were all in a group talking now, later on i told the girl we should go inside whilst i grab a cuppa, she eventually said yes and we went inside, i didn't want a drink - just to isolate.

A group of 6 or so girls were all sat round the table and i opened them all with an opinion (not something i usually do, and i'm not sure why i did but hey) got the attention a little, then i just started talking to one rather than the group... Randomly after a few mins she cut me off and said "yeah nice talking to you, have a good night" and turned her back on me - quite cold/sharp - made me realize i can do the same when other people are interupting (i.e the guy from the other set previous).

2 girls sat down in the corner with hoola girl type lays round their necks - said they looked to much like party girls to be sat shy in the corner and just sat down with them, joked around with them a little, they played me they fooooool!!!! Pretended one was a german translator for the other and that they were travelling england, turns out ones an actor and the other a psychologist - they were good! Anyway they were asking why all of us were not with each other and talking to different girls and if it makes my self esteem good when getting numbers. I told her she was stupid, why would that make me feel good, i'm just meeting people and having fun - the i am enough attitude - she kinda changed her tune a little and we got talking about psychology - she said little zero had intense body language whilst talking to her friend and that i was always very relaxed/chilled out - maybe i need to turn up the heat every now and then so i'm not always relaxed!.

Got talking to some middle aged women at another bar, this was just a fun and jokey set, one was dancing sat down so i grabbed her and dragged her off and started dancing with her - she wasn't mega up for it but was fun non the less.

Couple more girls me and zero were talking to - they were bad, as in couldn't take a joke, no sense of humour etc etc - Jackal said just to bust their balls constantly which was fun because they were a little pretentious and taking everything literal!! I ejected after a while by just saying - i hate you (with a smile), and walked off.

3 girls sat down, last set of the night, Jackal told me to go over. I pulled up a chair, sat on it the wrong way and said "i'm sitting here because i'm rock n roll" joked with them a little, zero and simon joined where we split the convo into 3 individual ones, got pretty sexual, mine went to the toilet so i followed and tried to fuck her in the bathroom - apparently she's not that type of girl!! Got a number, said i'd text her later and we'd go back to hers - she agreed. (she wasn't attractive but just for the practice) Text her later to follow through, and i could of gone back to hers but declined nicely.

Me and zero did some street stuff at the end of the night, only one worth mentioning was a 2 set, i stopped a girl on the street by picking her up, putting her feet on mine and doing a slow waltz type thing with her. Zero spoke to the other whilst i spoke to the irish girl. We spoke for a good while, generally taking the piss out of her - really we should of bounced them to a bar or a cab soonish - but didn't even think at the time. Worth thinking about next time though.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:20 pm 
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Saturday.

3 guys, 1 girl - I went up to the girl (ignoring the guys) and just said in a mundane voice that I thought she looked nice, she took the compliment but said one of the guys was her bf, I said I wasn't trying to pull her, just I wanted to let her know she looked nice. The bf went a bit OTT crazy at me, I said it was compliment to both him and her but he went a little skitzo "f off or i'll knock you out etc" I just put my hands up and said it's OK, i'm leaving. For my whole life this is probably the worst reaction I've had off a guy whilst trying to talk to a girl so goes to show that your inner fears of what might happen are all irrational.

4 or so girls dancing in a circle in the smoking area - I joined in the circle with them and started dancing telling them they were rubbish, we all got talking in a group conversation then I just started talking to one girl after a few minutes, we were joking round, started speaking in an ozzy accent to each other, just having a laugh with each other. She said she had to get back to her friends because her friend was back from Canada, I got her number and said we should meet up later, she agreed... However her phone was dead so she got a pen off someone and wrote my number in her pad as well so she could text me off someone elses phone (i should of got one of the groups phone numbers in hindsight and text them to meet them, rather than relying on her). Before we left i went for a kiss on the cheek but turned my face to get a cheeky kiss on the lips - her friends laughed.

Street stop - walking to the next bar Jackal told me to stop a girl that just walked passed, i went back, stopped her with a genuine compliment and made an assumption about her to get the conversation going - my friend came back and said "is this guy bothering you for change" she laughed a little - maybe awkwardness, we spoke for a few minutes, i tried to get her to join us in the bar but she said she had a bus to catch - I persisted saying she could get the next but she wouldn't, I used it as an excuse to get her number so we could go for a drink some other time. Again I forgot, I should of arranged the date there and then with her rather than wait over text - i forgot, something to remember for next time.

2 girls sat down - I sat down saying that I was going to steal their seats off them for all my friends, these girls were up for a laugh and quite high energy, I tried getting them to come up stairs with me and go up to one of the other guys who were in set and say "so how do you know my boyfriend" to the girls, but they wouldn't do it. Slowly throughout the next 15 mins or so 1 then 2 then 3 of the other guys came, the girls got a little overwhelmed with the situation i think. I didn't go for a number, not sure why though. Jackal said i should catch up with them and continue talking, walking down the street with them, they weren't interested though.

2 girls - me and zero went up to them, zero put his drink on their table and started talking and I just pulled up a chair and spoke to the other - to split the convo into 2 separate ones. A few other guys came in as well, I took one girls hand and pulled her away from her friend onto some seats, she came. We went back 10 minutes later where I said she was coming back to mine that night, she said i was a little forward, i just agreed with her... She then said, she was just going to the toilet... to which i said, now who's the forward one, insisting she took me to the toilet. Turns out they just left.

6 girls ish, seated - a few of the guys were already speaking to some of the girls, Jackal pointed to a girl i should chat to, she was leaning against a post so I just said she looked like she was trying to be sophisticated. We were speaking for a while but then my friend came up to me, went a little crazy, demanding we left right now, he wanted to go home... I was a little confused but just said 2 minutes, we'll leave in a minute... He got more ajatated and walked off, came back, went a little more crazy then left. I was confused, girl was weirded out a little (turns out Jackal sent him in haha!!) I left then came back and spoke to the girl again, then all of a sudden a girl came in and said to her friend "do you want this guy to stop bothering you" I told her to leave in a serious but tongue in cheek manor, the girl said she was alright (yet again Jackal had sent her in, bombarding me to crash it out! But it carried on well). I said we should move somewhere else, she didn't want to so I just picked her up and walked down the bar with her. We chatted some more, then we moved further to the door and sat down - i tried to bounce her to another bar, she said she couldn't for blah blah, i persisted, she was coming round to the idea but decided not. I got her number and a quick kiss before we left.

I was happy with the isolation I did that night - baby steps at a time, regards to the numbers I need to remember to arrange a date with them there and then rather than wait to text them.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:46 pm 
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Two set outside of spoons- They gave me a funny look as I sat down so I apologised and said that I’d been researching penguins in the north pole for four months and was a bit rusty with the old social skills (this make them laugh). I focussed in on one of the girls, did a little bit of kino and then got the ‘I have a boyfriend,’ line when going for the number. I pushed a bit but still didn’t get the number.

Two set- It was the older ones birthday and they were part of a larger group who were inside. I started making fun of the hotter one who was a teacher when one of their (male) friends joined the set. He took over the conversation a bit although I stood my ground and didn’t let him push me out of set. Went for the number and it turns out her boyfriend was sat inside. I left and then went back to try again. As I asked the AMOG answered for the girl and I left but perhaps should have waited for her response.

DJH90 and I opened a seated two set. This was hard work as the girls were very unresponsive but as I had got my conversation flowing I just carried on talking until she opened up a bit. It was a good lesson in persisting as eventually you hit on something they want to talk about or they just see that you’re not some weirdo.

Two set outside- got the number close with the intention of meeting her and her friends up later at a club. I opened them by asking where Jackal was (it was the first thing that came to mind). She was out for her birthday and I had some fun guessing her age, 56 was my first attempt.

Two set- They appeared to have lost their friends who had gone to get drinks. Jackal came in to wing and the set went well. Their friends entered (5) and I got chatting to another of them and got her number. Turned out they were all medics on a night out. Got into quite a deep conversation with a friend of the group although she lived in Scotland so logistics for day twos were less than ideal! As they left to go to their respective clubs I should have gone with them but bailed instead. Definitely something not to repeat! Overall it was good to get back into bar game as had been out in clubs for a few nights which I find very different.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:27 am 
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Hi guys back again. I mean business again lol.

Yesterday was a hard day. I need to man up and stop being a pussy to get pusssy. I worked early did a bike race and get ready to go out.

I drive down to Birmingham and got down about 20:15. I went to meet Jackal and did three warm up sets asking for directions was about to text him then he called. Straightto Spoons. He was in a three set and explained how not eject out of set and stay in set and push and plow through. Using my phone as a timer.

on my warm ups high pitched voivce and rapid speaking same old same old. But as I rememeberd more and got more comfortable in set it came baclk to me.

On the way to the first bar he opened a single set and left me to it. He left me to it and then told me to rengage and number close. I did denial.

Cant rememebr bar names first bar was a five set. These were nice I talked fluff.

Second set I opened with what's with the black sash for? Theyre on a hen party more talking fluff. Then she turned her back on me. I went back to Jackal and to the 5 dset. He told me to rengage. I did and went for the number close. Denied. Back to five set and I was told to ask why against the womens advice. I listened to Jackal and did and just got a further deniel.

We left and saw Kahnal if thats how its spelt we chatted while Jackal did a two set. I learnt some inner game stuff and realised I'm using J as a crutch. I need to fly solo. I then went to join him and got negged on my name straight away I laughed it off though not all of us are bad...

Second bar AA is crippling me. I'll get better at it hopefully and push through it I do in sports easaily I make myself when I fall off or over.

I opened some sets in the second bar. I did admit AA is my biggest fear and I need to work on my sexual escalation not be an average Joe asking the same boring questions over and over. I need to learn routines. I hit on a married chick. Reganged and went for the number close I got told I'm sweet but no. We chatted to AFC guys who couldnt believe what I did. He told a story about a male escort which I said I was so broke in the summer that I considered this. It wasn't a lie. Jackal opened a big set on a hen party he was good he left me to it I ejected I froze up. In my mind it was going through my head he's a tough act to follow so confident in what he does. How can I do this? Practise and practise simply. I will get better I need to push harder. Make myself do it. We all want to lay hot girls who doesn't? Be more aggressive and man up. Back to the AFC guys they didnt open one set despite thinking I was cool for doing it. Jackal told me not to waste my time on these as if they dont want to help themselves then they won't do it at all. My first solo set was here was Hayley from Bisceter. She gave me a lighter, we chatted and then went inside to her friends. Jackal told me after to open another set in the bar on returning inside shegrabbed and introduced me to her friends a bit ofd success but not with a girl I'd bang. I chatted to her mates and her male friend he was a cool guy liked the same as me. Rugby and Rock Climbing. Jackal ejected me and she followed me. And wanted to come with us. I froze and couldnt say no. I need to do this and practise in the mirror. He sent me to a three set and we chatted and smoked all nicey nice again. Hayley got the message. We talked about my mixed signals and turning my back on people. I'm not sure I threw her many I just chatted but hey ho at leasst I'm attractive to some.

On the way to Chameleon wI opened a three set. I said stop and didnt stop. Jackal opened on the escalator. I joined him I said one said looked like Lucy Lui but the one I aimed it for said her mate did lol.

Outside Chameleon he opened a blonde single set and held his frame and made her come to him. It worked he asked her name she replied whatever you want it to be. Lol she was into him. Big time the bouncers wouldn't let us in and then the 3 set from the escalator walked straight in.

On the way to his car to go to Actors and Queens we discussed a set from way back from mine that I let trhough my fingers and why. My own self doubt. I didn't take any condoms and he guessed why I didn't think I'd need any.

We practised tonality and me stopping sets but on him. Perform the command I'm wanting not carry on walking with the set.

J then told me my sleeves are too long on my coat I don't think they are but I used it as an opener. They all said it wasn't and J said that nice people won't want to hurt my feelings. Well I think it's smart so I'm not altering it J ;). One girl complimented my colour choice and I need some brow leather gloves to go with my coat to match my shoes and belt. Her mate said you've asked me this and we know what you want and it isn't working. I met a guy The Tom Walker and chatted to him and his gf. I learned more about value in the bar it took ages to get served. The barman served all his friends first who wouldn't? He said he'd had no tips all night so I told him to remember my face as I'll be coming in more and tipped him. I opened some IOI sets and was nicey nice again.

My lessons learned:
be more aggressive, relax open my coat, don't be so shy, don't be like everyone else (I'm awesome and should project this) and the notes I made on my phone after, the D, T and P words.

I learned a lot I just need to push myself and social boundaries harder and longer. There are a lot of positives from the night mainly I proved to myself being up at four for work and racing that I dont need to slack off and sit at home or go to the same places. It was a hard enjoyable night cn't wait for the next one.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:23 pm 
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First time out with people who use PUA techniques.
Haven’t approached in years. Been doing only social circle game.

During the afternoon the thought of approaching gets me very anxious. Spend the whole day feeling severe AA and I’m hours away from even starting.
I push myself and head to Birmingham City Centre to meet Jackal. At this time I’m thinking about testing the waters and I’m not sure if I’ll be able to approach.

Jackal arrives and is very friendly. Bring up my AA and he just goes into a single set right in front of me. Everything seemed so simple. The fact he approached right there like it was nothing took a huge weight off my shoulders.

I won’t post all sets as I don’t remember them all. I’ll number the ones that stuck with me.

1- My first approach. I just go indirect to a 2 set and it hooks. My legs are shaking but my voice and upper body seem to be working OK. I finish the opener, change to conversation and all goes well with Jackal distracting the friend until I ask what they’re doing there. My target is a married HB7.5, her friend a HB4 with a fiancée and they’re at the bar getting the drinks for them. I speak a few seconds more and eject. Jackal points I should still have gone for the number. That would have been good practice for me and I keep that in mind.
2- Jackal opens a 2 set and I wing. Conversation goes well again and I am comfortable with it. Thinking about how to escalate with my HB7 and can’t find a way that will look natural. Jackal mentions the number and I go for it. Got the number and start ejecting thinking the number was the cue for us to leave. Jackal tells me I should have gone for an instant date. Mistake on my part and ended up with a number that was a flake like he said.
3- I’m letting a few sets go by as I’m not attracted. Jackal wants me to use them for practice. He sees a 4 set. Approaching one in a group of 4 makes me nervous. I go for it just to try to redeem myself from the missed approaches.
The set hooks! I get the HB8 target interested and manage to include 2 friends in the conversation. Jackal isolates the other one. Jackal invites them to come with us and hang out by the bar. I support it but know my target isn’t ready and I needed more time. She looks at the friends waiting for their reaction but the friends aren’t very keen. She is doesn’t push to change their minds and I try to convince her. Error, should have tried to convince the friends, not her! Ask for number and get a no. Expecting it as I saw she was concerned about her friends being there.
4- Jackal opens a set with a HB8.5, I wing and talk to a HB3. Conversation goes well. We switch girls at some point. I compliment the HB8.5 on the dress sense and say it’s similar to mine. I match better with her than with her friend. Friend is not happy as I previously had told her I liked the way she dressed. Damn! Attraction isn’t there with the HB8.5. Still try the number as Jackal said but get blown off.
5- Jackal leaves me with a friend. After a while seeing no hot girls I just approach a 2 set. HB4 and HB6. My wing doesn’t seem interested in the set and leaves me to it. I keep the conversation going but they don’t say anything. They spot my target is the HB6 as I don’t hide it but HB6 is a single mum with no job. She’s clearly liking the conversation but doubts my intentions. Experience tells me that going AFC and lowering my value saying I was really into her would be the way to go. Unfortunately this would be wrong as I wasn’t interested. Keep talking for practice and when I’m bored I ask for the number. She says she can’t and mentions the baby which leaves her little time to go out alone. I feel sorry for the girl and just move on.


Surprises:
Had more trouble with low value sets than hot sets. The low value ones always seemed to wonder what my intentions were. They were really suspicious of me talking to them. HB 7 and above sets would actually believe I was into them.
Having someone with me opening sets helped massively with the AA
The thought of reengaging after being blown off paralyses me. Feel like I would be creating a bad experience for the girl.

Good points:
Unbelievable that I managed to approach!
Conversation came easily to me
Was aware of girl’s reactions and knew who was into the interaction and who wasn’t.

To improve:
To stop sets I have to stand in their way and not to the side.
Remember my posture at all times. Back straight!
Keep eye contact.
Got to find ways to escalate the conversation and kino.


Overall a great experience. Indirect game suits me better than direct game as it leads to conversations which I enjoy.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:53 pm 
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Spend the day thinking about the fact I’ll be approaching tonight. Went to bed late yesterday and haven’t slept that much.. Feeling anxious about going out and opening sets again. Doing this 2 days in a row is putting some stress on my nervous system.
Seems a bit unreal that yesterday I was talking to groups I had just met. Didn’t get any solid number or dates but it was fun to be in set. Also made me realize how much I have to learn. Jackal was great and helped me a lot.

It’s raining when I leave. This makes me think we’ll probably have to go to bars. Not comfortable with seated sets and think if I should leave it to another day. Decide to man up and go to Birmingham.

Meet Jackal and we start walking towards Broad Street. I’m very quiet as I’m thinking about bars and seated sets.
A tall skinny girl is walking towards us. Can’t see her well but she looks very hot and above my league. I go direct thinking I will get blown off but compared to seated sets this will be painless. She stops and has a good reaction when I say she’s cute. With her hoody I can’t see her face well but seems a HB6. I’m still happy as it’s the first direct that worked for me. I keep the conversation going and pull her to a bus stop as it’s raining. Get her number, talk a bit more and leave. She was happy I was talking to her and I didn’t have courage to escalate kino or spice up the conversation. Also, I should have gone for an instant date which I didn’t remember to do at the time. Good practice set. Made me realize how much more I still have to improve on.

Meet Jackal in a Pub and he gets me to just talk to the people at the bar. Just general conversation with employees and people waiting for drinks. Takes me a bit to get into it but Jackal is great encouraging me. He always finds a way to push you while making you feel comfortable.
He opens a 3 set of older women. I join in and sit with them. Learned a lot about conversation skills. This was probably the best learning experience of the night. Seeing the conversation flowing and how he directed it to a flirty conversation was great. Exactly what I haven’t been able to do on my previous interactions. I can usually create fun interactions but fail on escalating and creating a real connection with the group. It was good to see how he created a conversation that was engaging and interesting. I’m usually just fun and rely too much on making them laugh. Seeing Jackal showed me that being interesting has a lot more to it.

Opened one more set on the street. Went direct but while speaking I started wondering if she was too young. Stopped half way through my sentence and started thinking what her age was. She passed with a surprised expression wondering what I was trying to do. Should have stopped her and gone to friendly conversation mode. This would have given me time to reevaluate things.

For the rest of the night it was more about being sociable with people. Talked to some people who were taking pictures, joined a group picture with people I didn’t know, etc. A very interesting night and I did enjoy myself. Learned a lot today and realized I have to add a lot more dimensions to my conversation skills.

On the way back home streets were empty as it started raining. Had small talks with a couple of people on the way but no HB sets in sight. Everyone was in a rush to hide from the rain so streets were empty.


Start to understand better how much more I can learn. Still have a long way to go.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:19 am 
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Wednesday night.

Been doing Day/night game for a while with Jackal, which has improved my confidence and game.


Met up with Jackal only for a couple of minutes before he introduced me to another PUA for some late evening approaches. Taking it in turns we went for it, only to get rejected about 7 times in a row (but it didn't stop me). By this time it was late and there was hardly a person about around Birmingham. people seem really defensive but i guess it was the time of night.

Over all I've concluded I can approach any girl with no hesitations. Next mission to keep a conversation going for more than 5 minutes and to open to groups. :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:05 pm 
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First weekend night gaming. Excited about it. Not sure how I’ll open sets in bars but ready to have a go at it. My hearing is fine but for some reason I always have trouble hearing people properly in loud bars. Curious to see how it will go.

There were a lot of sets so I’ll just mention the ones which stuck with me.

Meet Jackal and we head to bars. He advises me on posture and taking space while walking. Jackal calls me and points a single HB6 set that was walking behind me. I ask her for a lighter. Her lighter doesn’t work and I tell her it’s fine as I have one, just wanted to say she looked cute. The girl starts walking away really fast… Shocked by her reaction.

We arrive at the first bar and Jackal leaves me in the smoking area with instructions to just be sociable and relax talking to someone. I’m a bit edgy after the last set. Talk to a guy there and when Jackal is back we join his friends in the smoking area. Jackal opens a set of a guy and an HB9 and I just chat with his friends. A bit after that he tells me to just chill out and get a drink. I’m quite nervous and still haven’t opened a single set. Talking to his friends is good as it gives me an opportunity to calm down while looking sociable to people around.
Decide I have to open and go for a HB7 and HB9 set indirect. My delivery is not the best and I stutter a bit. HB7 engages but HB9 just looks down. I call her on it and she joins the conversation. Start gaining some momentum and kino while comparing their nails. They are interested but not giving me anything to work with. I keep at it until I am out of things to say. Eject before they notice I’m completely blank. Got to keep myself together.

Join Jackal on a 2 set. Glad he is in set as opening seated sets is leaving me nervous. Start talking to an HB7.5 from Jackal’s set and am just happy I can sit there and enjoy the conversation. Going well until an HB7 comes to take them away. They have to go meet some friends. Jackal tells me to reengage. I go and engage my HB7.5 and the HB7 who took her away. Conversation with HB7 goes really well and I get too comfortable with it. Don’t engage my HB7.5 thinking the HB7 will ruin it again. A guy joins in and I include him in the conversation. Their friends call them to know if they are ready to leave. I go for a number close on HB7 and fail. Jackal tells me to reengage and get the number. Try again but other people from the group say she has a boyfriend and she just turns her back on me.

Jackal points at a 2 set HB3 and HB5. I go for a situational opener and response is good. I join in and things go well. Even get a girl taking pictures with me. Jackal joins and suggests going somewhere else. I’m having fun and this is good practice. We stay with them and use them to engage other people at the new bar. It’s fun and I’m just enjoying it. Lots of flirting going on and I tried thumb wrestling for the first time just to practice. Jackal tells me to number close and leave. Got the number. They weren’t hot but it was great practice and definitely had a good time talking to them.

As we’re walking we see a 2 set HB8 and HB6 walking. We tease one for being too tall and the set engages. HB8 is 8 years older than me. I am shocked as she looks my age. Conversation is good and I escalate. She has a partner. I still push it in a fun way. She is enjoying it but no go. We start walking and she can’t give me her arm as she’s afraid someone will see us. Flirty conversation and we are having fun but no number. Fair play to her.

We went to another bar and my first 2 sets get ruined by friends.
Jackal mentions amogs when one of his sets is interrupted by some guys and I actually start realizing that’s happening a lot with the sets. Friends and strangers getting in the way is something I was seeing as out of my control. After this talk realized these are the amogs I had read about.

Jackal left and I stayed with Dolphin. Social part is working and I get to chat to a lot of people. Making loads of friends, just not able to get in on any conversation with attractive girls.
Spot an HB10 alone. I go for it. She’s receptive and we have a great chat with kino. I touch her hair, she touches mine. We’re flirting but she mentions a boyfriend. He went to the toilet, that’s why she has 2 drinks. She’s got a wedding ring on her finger. She’s actually married but is just used to calling him boyfriend? I go for number close but no go. Meet her and her husband later in the smoking area. We talk, flirt and conversation is going very well. The husband is trying to look cool and I think she’s trying to make him jealous. A HB4 from the set I was in before HB10 arrived asks me for a light. I stop HB10 to pay attention to HB4 and go get HB4 a light. HB10 doesn’t seem happy with the sudden lack of attention and leaves.

Go to another bar with dance floors. Guys are being very aggressive on the dancefloor. Too loud to have a conversation and any hot girl is getting hit on every 5min. Go for a 4 set (3 HB’s and one guy) in the smoking area. Get in by talking to the guy as the girls are very defensive. Not surprising as they have guys trying to grab them all the time. It goes well and I am in with the girls. At some point a girl seems keen to go inside and I feel I should leave and reengage later. Reengage a bit after on the dancefloor and number close an HB8. Unfortunately got a flake.


Positive:
Had some fun interactions.
Managed to get in sets
Social talk was easy

To improve:
Can’t progress when the target is in a group. Got to learn to isolate the girl so I can escalate.
Not comfortable opening seated sets.
Posture and eye contact still need improvement.


Overall a fun night. Got a lot to work on. Jackal opens hot sets easily and I have to pay more attention to how he does it.
A bit frustrating that after so many sets I still haven’t got a day 2 with a 7. I’m missing something.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:56 pm 
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Being a Saturday night I am hoping for a good night. Drank a bit last night which was a mistake. Feeling a bit hangover.

Jackal tells me to tell a seated HB that she is beautiful. She’s eating outside and I go for it. See she’s an HB5 but still deliver the line. She engages. Sit with her and find out she’s with her boyfriend and his friends. Just had to come out as she can’t eat inside. Fun conversation and I number close her. Not calling her but it was fun.

Jackal opens an HB8 set. I talk to a couple of guys just so I’m not standing there and after a couple of minutes go to the toilet. When I’m back there’s another guy there. I approach from the opposite side to engage the guy so he’s not looking at Jackal and the HB. Starts well until two more guys join. Here I’m having trouble. Can engage 2 but can’t get the attention of the first amog.
After this set Jackal tells me that it’s best if I ask him a question rather than try to make interesting conversation. He’s right. A question would be better to force him to engage me.
A great thing I noticed was the eye contact from this girl. I spoke briefly to her and she stood close to me with her body touching mine with constant eye contact. That was really hot. I now see the tension eye contact can create with physical proximity. Jackal had mentioned it several times. This girl was ace at it and made me see how it can be so powerful. This girl will be on my mind for a while.

HB7.5 smoking outside. Compliment her on her fashion sense and it started well. She was on a company Christmas do and conversation goes well. Jackal goes to another bar as this one is too packed inside and I stay in set looking to join him later.
Some of her work colleagues start arriving and I just introduce myself. They are acting as they think I know her. She seems to be a bit uncomfortable talking to me when her work colleagues engage us. The group is getting bigger and it’s getting hard to talk to her alone. I go for the number close but she has a boyfriend. They have only been together for a few weeks. I insist but no go. By now her work colleagues are joining us and I know she definitely wouldn’t give me the number with people from her work standing there.

Inside a bar Jackal sends me to a set. It’s a work do and I engage an HB7.5. Work colleagues not very friendly but I manage to talk to her. A guy from the party arrives and stands between us. I engage him and he’s cool. He just arrived so he doesn’t know what’s happening. I can see she’s a bit more edgy as her work colleagues are now with us. Every time I talk to her someone gets in the way talking about something else. Start running out of conversation. Talk to the guy to regroup and engage her a bit more. Can see she isn’t comfortable talking to me with everyone from work looking and pushing it is only making her feel uncomfortable so I eject. Jackal sends me in to get the number. Bar is packed. To get to her I have to move 2 girls that on a previous engagement just turned and walked away. I chicken out. Jackal tells me to go back. I go and move them to get to the girl. She has a boyfriend and passes the test by telling me his name, everyone from her work do is looking at us and I know it’s game over.

Jackal sends me to an 8 set. Typical group of hot girls with massive egos. I get loads of shit tests and some start insisting that I pay shots to the 2 birthday girls in the group. I say I barely know them and they come back asking why I am speaking to them then. I just say I’m a sociable person. One of the girls seems to warm up to me and I engage her. Keep getting interrupted by others saying I have to buy shots, etc. Not easy to engage a girl when you have at least 3 or 4 nagging you all the time… Eventually my target gets a bit distant and I know it’s not going to happen with so many people cockblocking. Jackal sends me in again. Get a grilling from her friends and the girl now turns her back to me.

Smoking area, open an HB7 on a work do. People from work just sit there looking at us talking. Conversation is going well but this is a waste of time. No girl wants her work colleagues to see her meeting a random guy at the bar. Still go for the number and I get rejected in front of all her work colleagues.

I’ll mention here a set of girls just because of an amog situation. I am going to attempt a number close on a set Jackal had opened when a guy comes saying he just needs something. We pay attention to him, he just comes to the group and starts grabbing one of the girls. They start running. I go to see if I can catch them when they stop. The amog starts running after them down the street… Jackal reminds me I shouldn’t let other people into the set. Got to pay more attention to amogs.

Last bar I go to get drinks and join Jackal on an open set. He’s talking to an HB9 and asks me to sit by HB3. I position myself so she has to look away from her friend to leave Jackal and his HB isolated. It’s good practice at engaging someone in a conversation and keeping their attention on you while ignoring their friends. We talk till Jackal leaves. I stay for a few more minutes and go home. I’m tired.



Positives:
Can really understand the importance of eye contact due to Jackal’s HB8
Stayed away from drinks as a way to relax
More aware of amogs

To improve:
Got to use eye contact and physical proximity
Reengagement of big groups that had blown me off already got me some harsh reactions which made me afraid of opening towards the end of the night.
Have to get more topics on my conversation that will help create a better emotional connection.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:35 pm 
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Monday and we’ll be gaming on the streets. It’s 4 of us so we separate into groups of 2.

A few sets pass and I leave them as I need a hot set. Too many numbers on my mobile from women I’ll never call. Need something that will help my confidence and motivate me. My wing is a great guy and I’m enjoying the conversation.

3 set with HB9, HB8.5 and HB6. I go indirect and it hooks. Manage to transition to conversation. My wing comes to ask if I’m bothering them. I like that line.
I introduce him and he just says hi. Start talking to my target, a HB8.5 which was very friendly. I realize my wing isn’t saying anything to the other 2 so I engage them in the conversation as if they decide to leave my target will also go.
I start to wonder how I can engage my target without her friends leaving. I try to bring my wing in by telling a story on how we just met recently but he just smiles. I can’t keep a group conversation forever and try to focus on the obstacles hoping they’ll find me cool and will give me some time to talk to HB8.5. Trying to juggle too many things and eventually when I’m paying attention to her friends my HB8.5 says they have to go. Can’t make them stay and that’s the end of the set. After showing interest on HB8.5 it was a bad move to worry about her friends. Should have stayed with HB8.5 and hope her friends would give her time.

Have a talk with my wing about the set while looking for other targets. We’re both happy with it. Ask him to join all conversations from now onwards in order to help me isolate.

Second set is a HB6 and an HB9. Go indirect and get into a conversation. My wing joins and is now talking a bit which helps make things feel more natural. I ask them to come with us to the bar for a chat and they agree. Hadn’t thought of logistics so start walking to a bar that is quite far when I had a bar with music close to us. Realized that when HB6 asks. Change of direction to the closest bar.
I’m by HB9 but HB6 seems to be into me. HB9 notices it too and pretends to text as a way to slow down and appear on the other side of HB6 leaving me with HB6. My wing is not engaging in the conversation much so I’m trying to keep them both entertained. Need my wing to join the conversation and keep HB6 distracted so I can engage HB9. Go to the bar to get a drink. My wing comes with me and I tell him to go back to the girls so they’re not alone. When I come back I position myself between the two HB’s so they can’t switch positions like they did before. Conversation goes well but I can’t isolate HB9 as HB6 gets in the conversation. My wing is now joining in a bit but talks to both of them and does not get HB6 out of the way. Bar is closing and I get both their numbers. Don’t feel like it’s a solid number for HB9 due to HB6 having seemed so interested.

This set went well and we were both feeling great after it. Me and my wing worked a lot better on this set. Enjoyed gaming with him and he’s a top notch guy. Very supportive.
Meet Jackal later and he says we should have walked them to transport/home. He’s right. Could have used that as an excuse to finally get some time alone with HB9.

After this I did a single HB5 set going direct but was blown off by on the first time and on the reengagement.

Positives:
Good confidence boost due to good interactions with hot girls
Felt relaxing to have a few long interactions

To improve:
I’m too dependent on a wing to isolate
Have to escalate with my target
Logistics - have to know where I’m taking them
Still have to remember eye contact and posture


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:04 am 
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16/12/13

Discedied to go out a bit earlier to do some solo, which wasn't going so well just can't push my self like when I have some one with me, its a right pain in the ass. I've missed so many hot girls which I know I could talk to. Over thinking is what seems to be stopping me, I know I can do It. Well until my wings show push my self to do one.

Its groups (2 or more) I can't do, don't know because my should I care what there friends think, that's my plan for when my wings show start approchjmg groups.




Well my wings turn up and i was still hopless. We started walking broad street, we both couldnt approach at the start and then bame! Jose gose up to a 3 set. I join him about 2 minties later i start good by asking " is he bothering yous guys?" After that i was usless.

After leaving the set, walking in to the german market jose hits another 2 set and again i join him in mid flow and went on a instant date.yet i was still hopless !! I couldnt making conversation (over thinking) i swear i was so shitting my self of over i was sweating.

After leaving the girls and jose making a number close on both we meet up with jackal. By this time i was pissed off with my self. Then i saw this hot girl on her own (perfect) got a number close and even a date on wednesday but think it was a flake (text her in a minute).

Over fucking thinking about it just do. Well i have 2nd date tomorrow lets see if that goes.


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