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 Post subject: Re: Showing Interest
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 7:50 pm 
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Once you start receiving IOIs, you can then start to show interest in your target. The most common mistake that most guys make is showing too much interest WAY too early in the interaction... Don't be easy.

-Be conscious of your body language and other forms of non-verbal communication. If you are attracted to a woman, you will start to feel itchy. Don't fuck with your hat or scratch the back of your head or readjust your cloths... Whatever your nervous "tick" may be, fucking stop it.

-Don't show beautiful women interest because they are beautiful. Treat every woman the same. Have standards for yourself and don't be afraid to look for them. She has to believe that you are attract to her for reasons other than her looks in order for her to sleep with you.

-Again, don't be to easy. Make it kind of challenging for her. Don't start throwing compliments at her right away once you receive a few IOIs. Make her work for you. Make her feel as if she is winning you over but hasn't won yet. Make her EARN your interest. We want her chasing US. If you are more difficult to please, your approval means more.

-Don't start putting her through the "job interview" to show interest in her. Hold off the personal questions until you get later into comfort phase. Also avoid deep topics of conversation... This is a very quick way to creep her out.
What is your take on direct openers. If you start direct, then you've necessarily shown interest from the very start.
My favorite night game opener is "Hey, you're cute. What's your name?"
It's as direct as it gets, and it seems to generate more interest than if I try to start nonchalant conversations.


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 8:20 pm 
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When telling stories, you don't have to have a segway into a new topic. Most people don't care about relation to topic as long as they are entertained.

-Using routines will usually wind up in you getting caught and the girl will try and put you in check. Go out and develop your own stories and unique experiences. You can easily "over elaborate" these stories and make them seem more interesting. Make sure you have stories of your own that she can easily relate to her own life and will allow her to see who you are.

-A "routine" might give you one interesting story... Then the story becomes interesting. If you have several different stories, YOU are interesting. Be interesting. It is exactly the same as a comedian... You can crack one funny joke, or you can have a series of funny jokes that connect and all lead to one "big picture" message.

-Have several conversation topics open. This is how people who have been friends for a long time will talk to each other naturally. Don't stay on one topic for too long. It's boring. It doesn't matter about the story or routine, what matters is keeping the interaction in your control and making it playful and interesting.

-Go straight into each story you tell.... No warning means no chance of rejecting. Simply say "So check this out...."

-Lead the interaction. Don't piggy back off of other peoples threads. Have interesting stories of your own to tell. Learn how to be entertained by yourself. Act like "music" No matter what... No matter who is listening... You keep bumpin out and you are happy to do it.


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 Post subject: Re: Showing Interest
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 8:27 pm 
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Once you start receiving IOIs, you can then start to show interest in your target. The most common mistake that most guys make is showing too much interest WAY too early in the interaction... Don't be easy.

-Be conscious of your body language and other forms of non-verbal communication. If you are attracted to a woman, you will start to feel itchy. Don't fuck with your hat or scratch the back of your head or readjust your cloths... Whatever your nervous "tick" may be, fucking stop it.

-Don't show beautiful women interest because they are beautiful. Treat every woman the same. Have standards for yourself and don't be afraid to look for them. She has to believe that you are attract to her for reasons other than her looks in order for her to sleep with you.

-Again, don't be to easy. Make it kind of challenging for her. Don't start throwing compliments at her right away once you receive a few IOIs. Make her work for you. Make her feel as if she is winning you over but hasn't won yet. Make her EARN your interest. We want her chasing US. If you are more difficult to please, your approval means more.

-Don't start putting her through the "job interview" to show interest in her. Hold off the personal questions until you get later into comfort phase. Also avoid deep topics of conversation... This is a very quick way to creep her out.
What is your take on direct openers. If you start direct, then you've necessarily shown interest from the very start.
My favorite night game opener is "Hey, you're cute. What's your name?"
It's as direct as it gets, and it seems to generate more interest than if I try to start nonchalant conversations.

It's SPAM your intent. Girls don't go out to get hit on... they go out to blow off steam and have fun with "their girls." It's making the attraction way too logical...

Direct openers, yeah, you are putting her on the spot and making her choose whether or not she wants anything to do with you... But you are putting yourself up to her judgement without her even really knowing anything about you aside from what she sees. I won't really use direct openers unless I'm completely OWNING the room and I've got the attention of almost every girl in the place. Then I already know they are attracted to me... It makes them feel like "OWWWW HES TALKING TO ME?!?!" and then they melt lol

I don't show my cards until I know I have a winning hand. It's much more effective to just be social and have fun.


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 Post subject: Re: Showing Interest
PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 7:19 am 
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It's SPAM your intent. Girls don't go out to get hit on... they go out to blow off steam and have fun with "their girls." It's making the attraction way too logical...

Direct openers, yeah, you are putting her on the spot and making her choose whether or not she wants anything to do with you... But you are putting yourself up to her judgement without her even really knowing anything about you aside from what she sees. I won't really use direct openers unless I'm completely OWNING the room and I've got the attention of almost every girl in the place. Then I already know they are attracted to me... It makes them feel like "OWWWW HES TALKING TO ME?!?!" and then they melt lol

I don't show my cards until I know I have a winning hand. It's much more effective to just be social and have fun.

Disagreed, Girls go out to get laid too. Girls go out to meet guys, they go out to get attention. They don't just go out to blow off steam with "their girls" this is something that a lot of guys get told by girls when they aren't interested.

If they just want to blow off steam why not buy a bottle of vodka and dance around with her girls at home? BECAUSE THEY WANT CHANCES even if they are weak.

You think a girl wearing a skimpy outfit, high heels, and Peacocking jewelery is doing it to blow off steam? Women are way more sexual then men... they want to fuck. They want to go out and get laid, they just want it to be ok to fuck some stranger and not get judged.

Direct openers are the most powerful opener of all, but I feel they are best after initial attraction and approach cues are sent to you. They also aren't for beginner but those with good solid inner game.

I do agree that it is fun to be social and have fun but talking to sexy chicks is fun for me... don't know about you. I'm a firm believer that a man with confidence is unafraid to go after what he wants and admit it... however you not needing her approval while stating your intentions makes you that much more attractive not needing anything back from her... at least with a lot of us who simply own a high value with that aura and attitude.... you come in so high value that even after stating your intentions she still has to qualify for you... you also force iois.

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 Post subject: Re: Showing Interest
PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 8:32 am 
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It's SPAM your intent. Girls don't go out to get hit on... they go out to blow off steam and have fun with "their girls." It's making the attraction way too logical...

Direct openers, yeah, you are putting her on the spot and making her choose whether or not she wants anything to do with you... But you are putting yourself up to her judgement without her even really knowing anything about you aside from what she sees. I won't really use direct openers unless I'm completely OWNING the room and I've got the attention of almost every girl in the place. Then I already know they are attracted to me... It makes them feel like "OWWWW HES TALKING TO ME?!?!" and then they melt lol

I don't show my cards until I know I have a winning hand. It's much more effective to just be social and have fun.

Disagreed, Girls go out to get laid too. Girls go out to meet guys, they go out to get attention. They don't just go out to blow off steam with "their girls" this is something that a lot of guys get told by girls when they aren't interested.

If they just want to blow off steam why not buy a bottle of vodka and dance around with her girls at home? BECAUSE THEY WANT CHANCES even if they are weak.

You think a girl wearing a skimpy outfit, high heels, and Peacocking jewelery is doing it to blow off steam? Women are way more sexual then men... they want to fuck. They want to go out and get laid, they just want it to be ok to fuck some stranger and not get judged.

Direct openers are the most powerful opener of all, but I feel they are best after initial attraction and approach cues are sent to you. They also aren't for beginner but those with good solid inner game.

I do agree that it is fun to be social and have fun but talking to sexy chicks is fun for me... don't know about you. I'm a firm believer that a man with confidence is unafraid to go after what he wants and admit it... however you not needing her approval while stating your intentions makes you that much more attractive not needing anything back from her... at least with a lot of us who simply own a high value with that aura and attitude.... you come in so high value that even after stating your intentions she still has to qualify for you... you also force iois.

Peace and Love,

Vic
I agree that girls that dress up for attention are out to get laid.
Generally the only girls that go out to bars just to be with their girls are ones with boyfriends, in which case it doesn't matter what opener you use. They won't want their friends seeing them cheat. They also dress more conservatively.
I personally think that there's a time and place for both direct and indirect game. I like direct openers with strangers, be it daygame or nightgame. When I meet someone new through a friend, or in one of my social circles, I prefer indirect, so I can test the waters and see if I'm getting IOIs from a girl before I proceed, since getting blown out by a friend of a friend has more fallout than getting blown out by a stranger on the street. An HB in a bar that blows off a direct opener (Almost never happened to me. Sure I might not close it, but it always starts a conversation), is someone who has no bearing on my life, and I can move on unaffected. On the flipside, when I use indirect game on strangers, I get blown off a lot more. A guy approaching a group of girls at a bar, whether direct, or indirect, is going to be interpreted as looking to get laid, regardless of what he frames himself as (unless he's just framing himself as a gay guy looking for "girlfriends"). If he goes indirect, like 95% of other guys, it shows a lack of confidence and fails to set him apart. If he goes direct, and does it with style (instead of being a crass drunk), it automatically sets him apart from most other guys that are going to approach the girl in the night scene.
Just my two cents.


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