Sure. Side affairs could work in some instances. But it still isn't what I am saying. I am saying it should be agreed upon from the beginning if you intend to have sexual relations or know that you might possibly be interested in hooking up with others from the start. I know many people who have done this and it has done incredible things for their lives. I am not advocating: "Promise someone exclusivity and then see other people". That is a lie. I do believe that to be immoral. But I am simply stating that there is nothing wrong with other arrangements aside from monogamy, hence why monogamy should not be promoted as a moral directive. In my experience and observation of others, I have never seen another arrangement to fail like monogamy does.

You are entitled to your personal opinion but I am not trying to persuade you to change your personal preference. I am saying that a consensual custom sexual relationship between adults is fine. If there is children involved then so long as the home environment is loving and comforting I don't see any issue with that.

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DO watch out, people like him can be some manipulative people. Since he sees those other than myself know he is a troll and a lunatic, he will try to make peace with you to save his petty reputation. Yet watch, whenever I post a thread on here, that guy will fuck it up with his nonsense.

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Polygamous matriarchal societies do not work.

Imagine trying to start up a society, where life expectancy was short, there was a lack of technology and people had to essentially work like dogs to survive and keep the society running and growing, with real threats of death, disease, hunger were a true reality.

Now imagine this society, but with all the women as they are today, having sex with who they want to, based on their irrational emotional triggers, having kids from different fathers, and seeking irresponsible men who can satisfy their testosterone seeking desire. It just wouldn't work, women's sexuality has always been placed under strong control, because societies in the past have learnt from previous mistakes. Polygamous societies build distrust and men aren't going to work all their life to support a wife who can leave them on the basis of being "unsatisfied" and kids that might not even be their own.

Game is good in one way, in the way that it allows men to realise that being a self contained nice guy is a way of being doomed, and depending on the pick up artist type, there is potential there, for men to realise that they have to develop inner game. Then there are others out there who don't really get what they should be doing, and henceforth they attempt to get laid with whatever moves, essentially becoming completely dependent on outside validation from women.

@SE23 you could use some imagination excercises ...

1.do you think poligamous patriarchal societies would work?

2.How you define whats 'working' and whats not working...

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I agree that it can work *in principle*. There's nothing to say that it can't. However, I would argue that this would not work for most people, and especially for men to agree to let their wives sleep around. Men are territorial by nature, and if they are invested in a woman, they will generally not be ok with her messing around with others. I'm sure there are exceptions, but none of the guys I know (including ones that sleep around discreetly on the side), and guys that just sleep around, would commit seriously to a girl if they knew she would see others.

Polygamous patriarchal societies have worked for thousands of years. Until recently, most kings/rulers had multiple wives. I'm not saying its fair, by any means, but multi-wife polygamy has worked quite well for many different civilizations.
Matriarchies generally don't work, because of human nature. Socially, we are much closer in our biological nature to chimpanzees than bonobos. The two are diametric opposites. Chimpanzees are gratuitously violent, territorial, and male dominated, while bonobos are matriarchial, peaceful, and "free loving". It's in our genes. There have been female rulers, but societies remain patriarchal even through their rule. Women are good rulers in times of peace and abundance, because of their nurturing nature, but that concept is very new. Most of history has been dominated by war and hardship, and that's what men are built for.

I define "working" to mean the ability to maintain stability and order. A society that works is one that is able to maintain order and internal peace.

thnx Mate, btw i am interested to know how you define:

1. Stability
2. Order
3. Internal peace

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At the end of the day these are subjective definitions. Vaguely speaking, the three apply when a civilization enjoys general obedience of the laws, functional laws and justice system, functional trade, and regime/state/nation stability for more than a generation.
A better way of explaining this would be to point out where there is no stability, order, or internal peace. Take Somalia as exhibit A.
The Roman Empire had stability, order, and internal peace for the majority of the time before ~100AD

You have me wondering if I want to go down this road? Thanks for sharing!
Knowledge is key!

PUA isn't a book of black magic. You'll come to the same conclusions with experience, whether you follow a particular PUA style or not. By not going down this road (just gaining experience, really) you'll simply keep on being hurt because of a bad understanding of women.

To get back on the topic..
Has game ruined me? Apsolutely not! Why? I'll explain..

Like most of us i've got my beating heart ripped out by a girl a few girls ago, I was lost, ruined, no way out.
Suddenly i was introduced to this community, by accident. So i started reading, trying, researching etc etc
It all made sense but i couldn't be genuine while i played like the books said, i thought that there is something bigger behind it all.. I just wasn't happy as I wanted to be. The answer to all my problems was natural game..
I just stopped reading books and everything, told myself u can do it, and started going out more, pushing my comfort zone, spent a lot of nights thinking, analysing... During that time, i've learned so much about myself and month after month the results started increasing, slowly but noticeble.. Now after 2 years of hard work, i can say that i'm truly successful with women, it all became so easy. During this period, i started to genuinely love not only women but life itself, i started enyoing fully. I became happier than ever. All the girls I like, i develop feelings for them if they show me just how good they are for me, i enjoy the time spent with them.. and if it starts going downhill, i don't get fucked up, i walk out like a man and continue living like one. With experience you learn to control your emotions, not fully, but you can control them, recently i broke up with a girl i really loved, so i walked out and continued living my life, unaffected by the outcome, genuinely happy, ofcourse she popped into my head everyday but i would just smile, after 8 days i was doing some work she calls me up saying she loves me and can't live without me.. the point is even though i loved her i didn't get fucked up even a bit becouse we broke up..

So why am I not ruined, becouse i took the longer path and discovered myself and let it shine to the world. Sure it was hard, i had some painful nights, but who cares..it was worth it.
Now I live freely, unatached to outcomes, happy and fulfilled.

My advice is.. Guys drop the shitass canned material, find ur true self and let it shine trough, give your gift to the world, it will bring you true connections with people, happines, joy and lots of women .. your mind will be free, relaxed in every given situation.. Natural game is king!

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I would argue to say that it would work for a lot more people if they let it. This way they don't have to fight biology. ie. Urges to be sexual with anyone else. It is best to work with biology/psychology as much as possible as willpower is limited in even the toughest individual. I and plenty of other men think it is fine if a woman I am seeing on a regular basis sees other people if that is what SHE NEEDS! She is not mine to own. She is her own person and if I truly care about her I will give her the freedom to do what she needs to do.

Ironically, when people are allowed to do such things often they don't. Why? Because people want what they can't have. So if you are allowed to hook up with other people it is not a rebellious act anymore. The same principle as to why a lot of diets have adopted a cheat day where you can eat whatever you want for 1 day of the week. Because people can, they don't view it the same as if it is 'bad' or 'wrong'. So even in some poly relationships the people are monogamous by default a large proportion of the time because they only venture when they truly feel they need to.

I'm not saying it is for everyone. But monogamy is certainly not for everyone. Even on a personal level I know tons of people who loathe it. I am not arguing people who practice monogamy should be condemned. But they certainly shouldn't be idolised. My original point is that monogamy SHOULD NOT be promoted as a moral directive.

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Now we have entered into a semantic argument. Even saying 'general obedience' is unquantifiable. I don't think we are going to better our understanding by going down this path. Not to mention that there is no real evidence to suggest that monogamy is the variable that matters when it comes to 'stability', 'order' or 'internal peace'.

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Perhaps not, but as cultures evolved completely independently, they almost all converged on a few traits which they share, despite all their differences monogamy being one of them. When a trait tends to be acquired by completely unrelated societies, and becomes so pervasive, there is reason to believe that this is because it was one that helped those societies survive and prosper.
Other people are not property, yes, however humans are evolved to be territorial beings, and they like to mark what's * theirs *. Some do this more than others. Both women and men are very prone to mark their partner as * theirs * and refuse to share with others. In principle, I don't have a problem with this, as long as both partners agree to this mutually.

I really think you belong on some discussion forum about pointless crap rather than a PUA forum. You don't seem to go out often Z, seriously, you are wasting everyone's time.

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