True but I am going to Holland sooooooooo

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+1 Agreed. Just to emphasise his hypocrisy, this article was published in the Daily Mail today:

Map of Most Racist Countries in the World:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... e-you.html


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This is a really interesting topic for me, because I've been told quite a bit by different people of both genders that I'm objectively good looking. However, I never really had much success with women, or certainly the sucess that a good looking guy should have. After joining the PUA community, I now realise that I come from a total AFC background and I'm doing my level best to change that.

A couple of things I've learned from pick-up is that looks are not the be-all and end-all; I'm living proof of this. I'm aware that I would be classed as good looking- I'm tall (6' 2") I try to keep a good diet, I don't drink/smoke and I do a lot of running to stay lean. I also take take good care of my skin and teeth and always try to dress as well as I can. In fact, I get quite a lot of compliments from women on my dress sense. However, I have to agree with the comments above: if you don't have the personality to match the good looks women will quickly lose interest. Actually, in my opinion, an average looking guy or even a below average looking guy with an awesome personality will do better with women than a good looking AFC. I've seen guys in real life who I would class as ugly but having great personalities being able to pull women who I would class as being out of their league. This is just an observation on my part, but I've seen it time and time again.

Another factor which was mentioned above, and which I agree with, is that when a women realises that a hot guy doesn't have the personality to match the looks, then it turns into a huge disappointment and they simply lose interest very quickly. So, while it may be easier for good looking guys to open an interaction and to get IOIs, the deal isn't closed simply based on looks.

As I said above, I am doing my best to improve my game in order to make the most of my looks, but I really wish I knew this stuff when I was a teenager.

I agree Daniel Craig doesn't have an attractive face in the classic sense like Brad Pitt for example, but the dude is total alpha. Actually, he's probabbly one of the best examples of an alpha male around today. Just watch the way he walks, his posture and the way he speaks in real life and in interviews. Plus, he has a decent body and this will count for a lot with women.

I think my point wasn't made in my post from the responses I've read... I don't have a problem with attraction... my looks help... also I have a very alpha attitude.. what I think it is that when you combine both of coarse they are attracted but I can get into comfort stage because it seems like they get discourage that I'm out of their league... and if they have a chance that they think ill just fuck them and leave... because right after I get overwealmed with ioi's and they go out of their way to qualify themsellves to me and I get them to jump through hoops and many other factors I try and lock it down to hang out to get to know them better they go cold... and its not a disinterested cold... they still act interested but coy like they are discouraged... and its driving me nuts because its the same senerio over and over again.... some that I work with ill try to set something up and they pull away... so ill ignore them for a little while and they will come looking for attention and start giving ioiks again.. and the cycle continues..

Very interesting topic with some very interesting points. HunterFoxe I believe said that having looks can buy you more time, and I think that's true. But I think a lot of guys seriously over estimate the importance of looks; as I'm sure we'll agree having good game is far more important than being good looking.

My personal expericence, the reason I started to take PUA seriously, is that, like a lot of the posters on this thread, I get told I'm very very good looking fairly frequently. This made me lazy in my game. I developed a very good AFC game, but as you guys can all attest to, a even mediocre PUA beats a top end AFC virtually every time. Every time I went out I was closing, but I was getting a lot of HB4-6s because they wern't a challenge for me, in reality I felt I should be getting HB7s+ but wasn't.

Although having said all this, I think it's a lot easier to be a good looking man than a good looking woman. All you need to do really is get yourself in relatvley decent shape, dress fashonibly, and make sure you have a cool haircut. Also sort out your teeth and skin if they cause problems with you. I personally have very bad skin, and am prone to bad acne breakouts (even though I'm in my 20's), I recommened asking your doctor to perscribe you oxytetracycline, works wonders for me. And honestly the difference in levels of success for me is like night and day from having bad skin and clear skin.

To reiterate, I agree that being good looking will buy you more time with women, and in all likeleyhood it probably makes things like escalation and kino etc a bit easier as well. But I can honestly from experience that looks are not the be all end all with women; they are no where near as important to women as they are to men.

I'd also recommened reading the article within Neil Strauss' "The 30 day challenge" ithat discusses attraction if you can get a hold of it, some real valid points in that too.

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I found some articals on auto rejection mechanism and wanted some people to see if it apply.
http://www.girlschase.com/content/secre ... -rejection

I actually think it's a bit harder for good looking guys if their game isn't at least mediocre. If you're a good looking, well dressed guy then girls assume your game is good and you have less room for error.

I'm not great looking but I'm definitely "above average" and I have a unique style. I found that when I started game and went out looking better it was more difficult to open and build comfort. not that I used to get anywhere, but opening was easier before I improved my look!

Why? My old socially awkward nerd look was congruent with my actions and mannerisms. Once I started dressing like a rockstar and approaching girls, my game was only marginally better, but it didn't fit my appearance. Even though I felt more confident in the clothes, girls were less responsive! It took me a while and a lot of practice to work out exactly why.

So I think if you are good looking, but you have no game, in some respects (opening especially) it's more difficult because girls expect your game to be of a higher standard based purely on your looks.

I've slowly been noticing a different trend too. In the last 3-4 months I've become way more confident, started dressing even better and my game is far better. However, when I was in that middle stage, semi-confident and a "just above average" appearance more girls would open me. Which is probably similar to the same thing us guys get, it's easier to approach 7s and 8s than 10s.

Women are attracted to what you are and not so much what you look like. Therefore; good looks maybe spark an interest, but it will rarely if ever get you laid. You still have to know how to handle yourself. As a goodlooking guy myself; I know I take a lot more risk than the average guy, because I believe that I can get away with more because of my looks. But thats just my belief so it works; no matter what you look like you can have the same belief and it can work for you too.

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Hey i just saw this post, but i think it is very interesting topic.

So how do guys think good looking guy should game girls. girls also think im good looking. But I feel like lots of neg and game stuff trying to be alpha ruin my result with social group girl. i think it makes people think im arrogant and egoistic. I think being nice and independent is best for me as my main target are asian fob which are pretty conservative. Lastly, i dont like to game in club with random ppl.

Can someone add more input in good looking game?