I don't even slightly understand how women think or operate?!

Step down from your high horse.

You made some good points, pops. There's still the notion of understanding what we were discussing here that you seemed to miss. It's like experiencing the magic of movies, then going off to film school for college, and never being able to organically experience a movie again. Any dumbass that would make such an arrogant comment doesn't even slightly understand how a conversation would operate.

Not to sound preachy, but what you're doing is a tactic developed by major militaries shortly after WWI. They realized that most soldiers don't actually shoot at the enemy, and aim away, and are willing to risk their own life, but not to take those of others. This is nice and all, but not very useful to the generals. So a new training tactic was developed; "dehumanizing the enemy". They taught the soldiers to not look at the enemy as humans just like them, but evil creatures that had to be conquered and destroyed. There were a series of systematic changes to facilitate this, from oldschool propaganda "the enemy eats babies hearts you know", to much more subtle forms of conditioning, through popular culture, and even through the change of training targets from bulls eyes to human shaped targets.

You are portraying women to all be the same players that you aspire to be. That is false. Very few women play men consciously, and those that do, I say, by all means, unleash the full arsenal of your PUA skills on them. Play them like a fiddle and leave them wondering what just happened. Most women are emotional creatures that are guided by feelings, and don't plan their next move on how to tear off your balls and serve them on a dish. They're weak, just like most men, and indecisive, and guided by much the same drives as men. Most girls are NOT NBs (ninja bitches). What happened to you before your PUA days, when a sort of but not really attractive girl you were sort of involved with started trying to win your love really hard? Same thing that happens to AFCs doing it to an HB. Most women don't manipulate men because they are trying to consciously. They do it because the men let them, and their feelings make them manipulative.

Just because men act like manginas and get hurt in the process, doesn't mean that learning to control your feelings and learning how to push a girl's buttons gives you a green light to destroy innocent girl's psyches. I'm AM NOT a white knight, but I have empathy for people who get hurt, and I HATE hurting girls I'm involved with, even when they wrong me. I move on and leave them to themselves. I've had FBs, I've seen multiple girls at the same time, and through it all, I tried my hardest to make sure no one's feelings were hurt in the process, and everyone got what they wanted. I got mine, they got theirs, everyone was happy. As long as they treat me right, I treat them right. Some girls really do just want a normal relationship with a normal guy. Have some compassion and stop looking at every girl as "game". By all means, use PUA to get a normal girl interested and have a normal relationship, but save the harsh player tactics for the club skanks and girls looking for an ONS, just like you or me.

Also some of the shit people write on here is downright creepy. Stop treating pickup like some kind of a transcendental religion, people. Being able to sleep with multiple women does not make you a god, or teach you about love, or make you a better person. It means you're able to sleep with multiple women. Is it a nice skill? Sure, but don't let the blinding hubris drive you straight off a cliff.

You guys are both wrong. This isn't some "military tactic" or whatever that weird shit was. It's the exact OPPOSITE of "dehumanizing," it's like not I have any anger or negativity towards this, not at all. It is HUMANIZING, which is all de-programming is. We're all humans, then we're taught to believe "boys are like this and girls are like this" but most of it is total bullshit. Seeing people as people is dehumanizing...interesting comment there jacko.

People are people. Every person likes to hunt, trap, chase, conquer as much as the next. It's wired into us.

If you actually talk to girls about sex and relationships, maybe you'll start to hear things that blow your mind wide open.

Honestly, what do you think it is when a girl puts on make-up, wears a pretty dress and a push-up bra to make her tits look nice?

That's her version of Game. She's baiting the trap. Maybe not consciously, but who cares, it's the same thing. When she does that--plays her game--she gets more of what she wants from men.

Those of you saying I'm wrong clearly don't have female friends you can speak with openly about these things, most of them very consciously hunt down hot guys they want to fuck, nice guys they want to show off as boyfriends, etc.

Of course even with nice guy boyfriend, they still fuck hot guys on the side. Seriously just talk to them. Don't judge what you hear or they'll pretend they never said it.

Women have only three categories for men:

1. I don't like him
2. I like him
3. I'd like to fuck him

and that's straight from the horse's mouth. It is EXACTLY how men think about women. Is she weird, nice, or hot? Same exact thing.

There no "organicness" lost by simply being aware of how things operate, it just puts you on the same team.

You have no idea what mothers teach their daughters when daddy's not around.

Maybe when you hear enough girls talk about a guy they're seeing like "he's just my fuckbuddy, but he thinks we're dating...it's kind of cute but kind of sad, but whatever, at least I'm getting laid" then what I've posted here will begin to make more sense to you.

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"jacko"? "or whatever that weird shit"?
Seeing people as people?

Sounds like a sermon. Lots of dogma, but no substance.

Your entire rant is just a pulpit speech about how women are cheating players. You keep repeating yourself over and over again. I'm realizing that this argument is pointless. Game on bros. Let the hatred of a thousand scorned dorks flow through you. I'll stay out of these idiotic debates and focus my time on fine tuning my game.

Your reading it through a lens of misogyny and fear doesn't mean that was my intended message. Far from it.

They are only "cheating players" because stupid, plugged-in men like to pressure them into "exclusivity" and "monogamy" and other silly constructs that restrict human nature. If you could understand that people were born free and are meant to live free as well, maybe you'd STOP PUSHING FOR MONOGAMY, in which case "cheating" and "playing" simply becomes "people living as people and being true to their beautiful, wild natures."

I've never cheated on anyone nor been cheated on in my entire life.

Know why?

Because I'm not dumb enough to think monogamy is a good idea.

It's a myth. Hard pill to swallow? Too bad. Deal with it.

It's not real. It doesn't work the way you think it does and want it to.

Tyler Durden was mostly right with his infamous "Exposing The Secret Society" post from many years back.

Hate to burst your bubble, but fucking a discreet Secret Society guy exists completely outside of whatever socially-approved relationships you OR the woman might be in at the time (unless it's during the honeymoon phase, in which she won't want to fuck anyone else and neither will you).

Girlfriends cheat on their boyfriends. All the time. Wives cheat on their husbands. All the time.

Ask me how I know.

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Whatever floats your boat, bud. All I'm going to say, is that the highest published estimates for prevalence of cheating show it to happen in, AT MOST 40% of relationships. Guess what that means? the other 60%, the majority, have no cheating going on. Getting cheated on is what happens when you shoot out of your league, or if you're still in college.

PS. I read the secret society stuff. Biggest pile of horseshit I read since seeing the Scientology dox a couple years back.

BEAUTIFUL!

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Well it's definitely impossible that anyone would lie on a survey. Especially about things that, if tracked back to them (not possible but the fear's there I'm sure), could ruin their relationship and make them look like a slut.

Do you not understand anything about how this works?

The first time I read his Secret Society thing, I thought he was full of shit of too.

Years down the road and many taken women later, I realized he wasn't full of shit at all. He exaggerated stuff and wanted to make it sound like Fight Club, like some secret gathering, but that's not really how it works. It's just people that "get it" and are super-discreet about it. Girls recognize guys that "get it," and those are the guys they show that side of themselves to. Not all women are like that but the vast majority are. Given the right circumstances and the right guy and the right state of mind, they'll cheat in the drop of a hat. Just like most guys would. Again it comes back to we're all on the same page and really no different, men women blah blah blah--people are people.

It's happening all around you, kid. Open your eyes.

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You must have an impression that I'm in high school. I've been cheated on, I've been cheated with, and I've done what I've done. I also know cheaters. I know all I need to know about it. And knowing all that, I can tell you its not as common as you claim. There are a lot of people that would simply never do it no matter what the temptation. There are uncorrupted people that really are loyal no matter what. Until I was cheated on, I was one of those people, and I stood all kinds of tests and temptation for years.
These estimates were made based on randomized paternity testing, with a few reasonable set parameters. While cheating is very prevalent, it does not occur in the majority of all relationships, as you claim.
And besides, anyone calling himself Tyler Durden is a massive, massive tool, and not someone I'm going to be taking advice on women from.

Did you happen to catch the research showing that 12% of men are raising children who are, biologically, not their children? And don't know it? That's more than ONE IN TEN. Are raising kids they believe are theirs. Who are not. Their wives/girlfriends/baby momma's probably know damn well who the father is, but they tell that guy it's their kid. Kinda fucked up isn't it? But tell me more about how rare cheating is.

In cases where infidelity is even suspected, that number jumps to over 30%.

As to your Disney ideas about loyalty, I've heard it said that nearly everyone with a high sex drive can't remain monogamous for more than about 7 years. If you never cheated, and I know you like to think it's because you're just so awesome and loyal, I'd wager it wasn't in a relationship that lasted longer than that. Was it?

Almost no human is capable of monogamy beyond 3-7 years. No matter how good and loyal and Disney they are, eventually biology wins.

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Actually thats exactly the study I was referring to. I know about the 12% figure.
http://www.australianpaternityfraud.org/statistics.htm
http://www.australianpaternityfraud.org ... Secret.htm

You make a lot of patronizing straw man attacks.
I never said I never cheated, did I?
I never said that cheating isn't prevalent, did I?
What I said, is that there is a large portion of people who do not cheat. You have yet to prove me wrong.
And no, it was not longer than 7 years. I'm only 23, "father".

My take is that, and I'll try to keep this short so I may not cover all points in enough detail in this post, pick up simply brings the real you to the fore a lot quicker. It removes the AFC "in love" "I can never do better than this girl" smokescreen from early interactions with women. So yes, it does desensitize you to some extent, but in a good way.

AFC guy falls "in love" with a girl. They either do or do not have a relationship. If they don't, he eventually gets over her and realises she wasn't all that "perfect" anyway, and he can do equally as good, if not better, with plenty of other women. If they do have a relationship, he eventually loses the initial "in love" smokescreen and usually realises he isn't compatible with the girl. He then either stays in a miserable relationship because he "can't do any better than this girl", or he ends the relationship and realises he has wasted months or years of his life in a relationship with a girl who wasn't ever right for him. He just didn't see it because he was "in love" with the idea of this "perfect" girl.

Pick up removes that early smoke screen. You are sleeping with loads of girls casually, or you are sleeping with one girl but know that you can easily go out and pick up an equally good, if not better, girl quite easy if you get bored of the one you're doing currently. So you judgement isn't clouded by this "in love" idea of the girl being "perfect". As such, you don't waste your time with a girl who isn't right for you. You might still sleep with her because the sex is damn good and she's hot. But you're not getting into a serious relationship which you intend to last for years because you know that really you don't enjoy hanging with her, you just want to fuck her. Or you don't mind her company, but she's a bit clingy and you don't think you'd be able to last in a proper relationship with her, but again, she's fit and is great in the sack so you go with the sex for a bit.

When a girl comes along who isn't clingy, who doesn't make you feel stifled and smothered, who you start to think actually I'd quite like to just hang with her anyway, she's interesting and we get on well, that's when it works out. Ultimately, if a girl is smothering you, that's not because pick up has made your eye wander, it's because she's the smothering type who would have smothered you regardless of how "sensitive" you were. Pick up has just desensitized you enough that you don't fall for the shit at the start and you see her for her true nature from an early stage of the relationship with her.

Of course some men are prone to cheating anyway, but I don't believe that is due to pick up. Plenty of PUAs refuse to cheat when they're in a proper relationship. Plenty of men who have never heard of a pick up artist cheat on wives who they've been married to for 20 years and had 5 kids with. That's just the nature of some people.

But for the normal, general person who dabbles in a bit of pick up to improve his chances with females - which is what most people on this forum are - pick up merely removes the sensitive in your head bull shit about this girl being perfect etc which AFC's get right at the start. It brings the real you to the front a lot quicker, so you don't waste months or years with a girl who you eventually realise isn't right for you but you were too "in love" to notice. It lets you see whether a relationship is compatible or not from the off. It makes you realise that no girl ever is "perfect". It just helps you filter out which "imperfections" you can put up with and which you can't. When you find a girl whose imperfections are not an annoyance to you, then you won't feel smothered.

It is certainly bizarre that monogamy is promoted as a moral directive.

My take on the situation is that it isn't wrong if it works. If you are happy and you are in a monogamous relationship; great. But don't preach to the rest of the world about how awesome it is. It's not. It is flawed. Like many things.

Monogamy is an OPTION, not something that you MUST practice. To me, I would never enter a monogamous relationship. But I have nothing against people who do.

What you must understand is that there is emotional risk with a monogamous relationship. You are emotionally investing in someone to not be sexually active for the time that this agreement is in place. You don't control another human being, despite how solid your game might be. So there is RISK. There is always risk.

Monogamy is a social construct. It is not natural. But for some people it is useful. Ultimately it is up to the individual to decide what type of sexual arrangements he/she is interested in. Choose wisely!

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I think a part of the 'problem' is that for many people monogamy constitutes a great part of their game..its the only way they know how to attract or win over the girl...

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