Omg this is most likely exactly my problem. I train them like puppy dogs to be loyal (insecurities much?), then they smother me so I push them away for a gasp of air. I start to enjoy time to myself but at the back of my mind I'm thinking she's probably out being unfaithfull. Usually she is. :/

I think I sabotage good relationships to see if I can rebuild it after it's ruined. It is like a sport. Someone should do a thesis on the psychological implications of becoming a pickup artist.

Ok so maybe I am normal after all but I seem to like a challange. When I mess it up, I do it good and proper. Maybe I am addicted the challenge.

I don't think ruined is the right word for it. Corrupted more like. I asked myself this question some time ago and I came up with mixed answers. Figures. I never had much interest in women before(probably because of the fact that my ability to interact with other people was nonexistent, and probably because I was a big introvert, and still am, a bit) and I don't have much now. Is it a problem? Depends on how you see it. I don't think it is.
Once you learn about female psychology, and how their brain works, everytime you interact with a female, you already know everything, and it feels as though you're somehow cheating.
Having had little interest in women before, coupled with the key to the gates of heaven, you can hopefully see my point.
Until I'll find personality in a woman, the same car, different color analogy that rests in the back of my mind, will continue to develop.
After all, knowledge comes with a price.
As an alpha once said: "Truth or happiness. Never both."

This is all a little melodramatic, isn't it?

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I agree to an extent. Nobody would rather go back to the life they had before. Not after learning this much about themselves, women, and people in general. I don't think any de-converted atheist ex christian wishes to go back to the way they had it before and believe in a zombie fairy. Sure, reality blows, but that's the price you pay for knowing the truth, and in the end, most with any fortitude of character find it an acceptable price to pay. Just because I learned that Santa isn't real, and felt sad about it, doesn't mean I'd rather go back to an infantile state of believing in santa.

I think PUA gives us all trust and closeness issues because we realize just how women work, through our experiences with so many of them.
We learn that by and large, women are unfaithful and not particularly loyal, and that we can replace them as necessary. We learn to protect ourselves from being hurt by staying distant, and not letting ourselves get too involved/fall in love.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."- Friedrich Nietzsche

After realizing just how flaky women are, and how much they cheat, there is only one way to become involved with them and not lose your mind, and that is to become the monster you were once out to fight on your white horse and in your shining armor. So we become the flakes, the cheaters, and the douchebags. Its a sad, vicious cycle, and there's nothing you can do to end it, except leave the game entirely.

As for ShotguntheHotone, we are being maybe a little overly dramatic, but these are important things to realize, imo. There's truth to it.

If you had posted this earlier I wouldn´t have felt the need to post a reply myself. You nailed this bro. Respect.

cheating, flaking, being faithfull etc too judgemental words and not very usefull concepts...I think many people would you enjoy this life and the game more if you manage to avoid these words...

1. you trained yourself to seduce women with easy and efficiency... great!...if some of the women goes for the other guys later on...theres no need for judging her and other women or even avoid loving her/them and share joy and enthusiasm...yeah i train my pet and i know it's just a pet nevermind that doenst prevent me from having a great time with my pet feed it love it caress it adore it......yeah i know the pet would be fine with another owner but still i do love it and extract a great pleasure from it...heck when i see a dog on the street i always pet him sharing a little love with it...

2. another great thing this is pointing to is that perhaps there are greater and more important and more fullfilling things in life then making love to women...

3. Another thing i think many puas are perhaps greatly missing out on is having or raising kids...sex with preservatives or without ejaculating into women is unnatural and defeats its purpose...its actualy not a real sex... perhaps this is why its so unfullfilling to many...

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Honesty with yourself is probably one of the most important things in life. You need to call things the way they are, even if it means admitting weakness or fault in yourself. Rationalization is the enemy of truth because fundamentally, its about trying to skew reality to fit in to what you're comfortable with.
I'm no no casanova, and I won't say I seduce the caliber of women which I find to be desirable "easily" or "efficiently". It's still an effort. I have been called a judgmental person, and that I am. I judge myself, and I judge others. If a woman can act committed to me, and then just as simply move on to others, I will judge her. I also judge myself for being distant and undedicated. I would hate to one day be with a girl that deserves all that and more, and to not give it to her because of my closeness issues.
This is a huge part of what is wrong with us. Women aren't pets, nor is it healthy to look at them as such. Just the same, men aren't purses to be used and discarded. A dog might be fine with another owner, but guess what, its a dog. It's subhuman. We are gods in its eyes. It's property that can be bought or sold. When people start looking at a woman the way they look at a dog, it worries me. Just the same, no man with his balls in hand should ever commit to a woman that uses him as a purse or a trophy to parade around. It's okay to stay distant, and it can be excusable to keep options, and if you must, you can even meet others discreetly(as horrible as this sounds) if you see that you're with someone who is less than dedicated, and jump ship, but I think once we start looking at others as pets or objects, that's when the red flags go up and its time for a change.

in reply to the original poster:

no, i disagree. I have become a more attractive person towards women and honestly i find myself more attractive as well. Two months ago I was seeing three women at the same time and pua was more of a biological sex thing.

when i met the fourth one I was surely in the "i dont even care"-mindset, but over a few months time I've challenged myself into putting the other three in the "friends-zone" and going exclusive with that one. I can finally read a woman and tell that she is really crazy about me and it makes me feel great. At the same time I still feel like im in charge of things. And in the event that things would go wrong I still have a large pua-parachute.

when i was a teenager i often felt alone, I'll never have that feeling anymore.

pua hasnt ruined me, it made me into the god i am today (and i still have so much to learn )

Dat narcissism.

Even being new to the community I have learned so many things about the way women are that I can never go back. My eyes have been irrevocably opened. In some ways I love women more now that I have a truer understanding of their nature. Evaluating all my past relationships through this new frame has given me a deeper understanding of not only where I went wrong, but where I went right as well. I still believe in love. Not only that I believe I have increased my ability to love, become more in touch with myself and my own feelings, and become an all around better person. Its all about being the kind of person you want to become. You never get all the way there.

'Knowledge is power, use it well"

REPPED... BEAUTIFUL OBSERVATIONS....

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Not remotely.

Anyone who sees it in the light you mentioned, doesn't even slightly understand how women think or operate.

What makes you think you're any more than a notch on HER belt?

Any more than her shiniest new boyfriend or husband, to show off to her friends and family like "look at this valuable thing I've caught!"

Women are Master Pick Up Ninja Wizards, beginning from the moment they realize that men do all kinds of stupid shit for them simply because they have vaginas.

All Game is, is learning how to play on an even field. Without it (and apparently many of you who do practice are included here), you're kicking around a tin can on a soccer field against the World Cup Champions and you'll never even realize it.

Case In Point: Some men think it's a good idea to be in a monogamous relationship or get married (puke). Trapping men into a relationship with zero benefits is like the pinnacle of validation for a female's Hunting skills (i.e., what a good manipulator she is).

And no, it in absolutely no way detracts from my ability to give or receive love. It detracts from that disgusting state of being in which you fall head over heels for someone you don't even know and compromise yourself just for a little hit of validation. That's not love, not even close. You've just been told that's what the feeling is called.

Once you get to a place where you actually understand women, they understand you, and you're on the same team, I promise you will not feel this way about how "Game ruined you" or whatever. You'll be thanking your lucky stars for avoiding the shitty-life trap that 95% of men fall into.

CTM

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BOY THAT WAS HUGE...After reading this post i felt like my IQ increased by a few points...

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