Nowadays the majority of my sarging is done alone. But sometimes I do go out with different groups of guys to sarge chicks and wondered what other guys' experience has been.

I have 2 main groups of friends; one group of good looking dudes all as handsome as me with equally solid game and we "group" approach gangs of hot girls with decent success. In this scenario, we often use the girls' herd mentality to get the close, i.e. when girls see their friends hooking up with hot guys, they don't want to be left out.

My other group of friends is shy, nerdy, not too confident and not great with girls but oddly more fun to hang out with (if we forget about gaming women for a second) because the conversations are more weird and interesting with them. I've noticed we initially attract fewer groups of hotties, BUT when we do get the girls interested, I get all the attention because I am by far the most confident in that group (and looks don't do me any harm either ) so I've found that although we have fewer opportunities and fewer interactions with women, my success rate closing these women is noticeably higher than in the first scenario.

However I get a similar amount of success in both scenarios because although my percentage closing rate is lower with the player gang, our approach rate and seem to get more opportunities to seduce hot girls.

Thoughts?

as handsome as you huh

the thread title did seem a bit misleading

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Stop trolling and go back to your race thread.

I have the same exact situation. I hang out with the shy reserved guys for fun, and I wing for them to try to get them laid, but when I'm looking to score I like to be out with the better looking friends, since somehow the your appeal as a group of good looking guys is greater than the sum of you individually (aka. "cheerleader effect").

^^Somebody ban this troll

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LMFAO

Hey Hunter_Foxe. I am of Russian descent. Would you suppose I have better odds with Norwegian women or Swedish women? Don't you find dark brunettes to be all that much more stuck up than light brunettes? Bitches, man.

On a serious note... I don't have two distinctive group of friends to compare results, but I'm not surprised you have more success with the second group. But only because you stand out in the group. Similar to the supply and demand laws of economics, you're making guys of your kind seem in short supply, and thus all that much more appealing (i.e. a higher price). Another way to look at it is this way: girls need to filter out among an abundance of men that appear to be similar.

Here's an interesting problem: suppose a girl has been going to the same gym for one year. There are no amateurs at that gym. Only well built jocks with an abundance of confidence. One day, a scrawny looking nerd walks into the gym. What are the odds he catches the girl's attention? Would she be interested in at least getting to know him? And what if you were to take that same scrawny nerd and put him around a table of 5 other scrawny nerds in a Starbucks, as they discuss C++? Would she even take a second gander at him? The irony is that although we can imagine how intimidated he would be at the gym, I bet that his odds of scoring the girl are drastically higher in an environment that makes him stand out, as opposed to a familiar environment full of his kind. My two cents.

I think the idea is this. If all of you really are handsome, you should all be able to stand out even by yourselves, and you'll look even more appealing in a group by generating social proof all over. If you are good friends, and there are just 2 or 3 of you, you'll do very well for yourselves in working any set you want. On the other hand, you might look good next to the geeky friends, but as horrible as it sounds, it lowers your social proof to be seen next to them. The girls will automatically assume you're "uncool" for hanging out with the "uncool" crowd. I think a better way to re-frame your gym analogy would be, either one arnold swarzenegger walks in with some nerdy guys, or 3 Swarzeneggers walk in. Definitely more jaws will drop and heads will turn if 3 do. And given that more heads will turn, they'll each have more options, imo.
Another mind trick to think about. When you see say, a girls volleyball team walk by, you drool and stare. Its a sexy volleyball team, for god's sake. However, if you look at them individually, they tend to be nothing out of the ordinary aka "cheerleader effect". If you can really pull off the "group of handsome guys" deal, you'll all look even more appealing.

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PS. stick to Norwegian women. Prettier and less domineering. Swedish girls are bad news bears.

In the old days my best friend was fat but he lost weight and became hot. He was picked and trained by an older chick at school...After this he became confident and in clubs he forced IOIs, attracted girls and I did not and I satrted to hate him. People thaught I was gay, I had so little game and became part alcoholic...

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No offense, but this implies that you were the geeky guy in the duo... Your friend was a bad wing if he wasn't looking out for you. When i go out with my nerdy friends I always focus on getting them set up first before I go and do my thing...

Same with chicks, HB9s like having frinds of HB7 because of...more than 10 reasons, but mostly sexual dominance...

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And now my old friend is now a father, a millionaire, member of the parliment...I hate him more.

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I think as a beginner one should be with a better looking and more sociable crowd, if not to just meet more girls and learn from others who have game. If you're already at a decent level within yourself however, that is not important.

It really depends on how many are in the group, and how big the groups of girls are that you are approaching. 5 good looking guys (of which you're only the 3rd or 4th best looking and only have perhaps the 2nd or 3rd best 'game') approaching 3 girls and you might be missing out. Approaching 5 girls who are all pretty hot and you're likely to have some success either way.

Personally, I prefer to go out with the group I have the most fun with. I then just leave them for a while if I find a girl/set I want to approach or dance with etc. Best of both worlds.

^ nice sockpuppet account OP

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Sure, if it makes you feel better I can be Hunter_Foxe. But really we're more than one to think your shit is ridic.

Nice name, describes you perfectly. It doesn't make me feel better, I am most likely right. Ya, sure, there are people that hate me but you see Hunter_Foxe, many others have seen me succeed because I was here before you and I have more experience in tougher areas than you so you should stop coming to my threads and trolling them with your sockpuppet accounts, like the one I am replying to right now.

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